1st grader is told not to do cursive until 3rd grade, woman’s response is legendary



cursive response

Too many schools are teaching kids what to think instead of how to think.

(h/t Tickld)

 
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  • Billy

    I want to say something here; my wife is a public school teacher, and we do hear of things like this now and then. If you have a teacher that is doing weird stuff, complain about it! Call the department head, then the principal, and if it is not to your satisfaction call the district. The WORST thing you can do is stay silent. There are a lot of good teachers out there (I’m married to one!). There are kooks out there too, but nothing will happen if you don’t make noise!

    • Dr. Diagnosis

      Your wife gave me a D when I should have received a B+, Billy. She’s not a good teacher.

      • John Canary

        seriously? You fail. How do you even know his wife?

        • Dr. Diagnosis

          Because… she was my teacher. Duh.

        • Frank

          Actually John, you fail. Learn what sarcasm means. His comment went right over your head.

          • Dr. Diagnosis

            I agree with everything you wrote except the pronoun! lol

          • DaveO

            From Calvin and Hobbs:
            Teacher: Class what is a pronoun?
            Calvin: A noun that lost it’s amateur status.

          • Skyrunner01
      • bazinga

        I gave her the “D”…

        • Blightness

          Boom! Thread over.

      • Chucky Greyjoy

        You’re lucky. I would have given you an F, and that’s only because you can’t give out anything lower.

        • insert_creative_name

          Not with that attitude.

        • http://www.WTF.com/ FCN

          you can go lower………….

    • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

      Why bother complaining? They’re not going to do a single damned thing about it. Teacher tenure is king. My wife and I yanked our kids out of public school and started homeschooling them instead for these reasons and many others. Pee on public schools.

      • CC

        Yes Billy! I’ve worked in 3 school districts and our principal and superintendent address any issue directly with the teacher. I’d suggest talk to the teacher first and tell her why you are disgruntled as that can solve 99% of issues. Also, tenure is being done away with in many streets. I will never have tenure and I’m OK with that.

        • Guest

          Your a moron……..

          • Donna A

            You’re……..

          • Sally

            It’s “you’re”, meaning “you are” “Your” means “belonging to you”
            .

          • cjleete

            Maybe the guest is saying he/she’s our moron. How nice. Sorry, I have enough morons. Thanks but no thanks.

          • Maria

            Your??…and WHO is the moron??…lol

          • Bob

            If you’re going to name call, make sure you know how to spell…

          • phantomm

            Obviously, you were asleep when your teacher was teaching grammar and spelling.
            You are or, you’re a moron.

        • John Best

          Very few will trade tenure for anything.

      • ursanegro

        most teachers i know would trade in guaranteed tenure for creative control over content. seriously. don’t blame tenure for it; blame non-educators setting education policy.

        • lraivala

          Tenure has everything to do with these teachers pulling this cr_ap. If they thought for one minute that the public could (students parents) could raise a ruckus and get the teacher fire or removed from the system they would not even attempt this bull_crap. But they know that even the administrator has little power in removing these clowns and all the administration does is send out an apology letter saying it won’t happen again or some half baked reason why they were doing it.

          • Wired Whale

            And what is the reciprocal to that? I worked at a school where a teacher was dismissed for writing too many kids up. Tenure is the guarantee of due process and job security. Not having tenure is a scary thing, as you can be removed from a position and therefore have difficulty getting into any other school or position, all over something as simple as someone not wanting to complete their paperwork. I know that in the state I live in, that’s true in any industry and even in other union jobs, but considering how cutthroat the teaching industry is these days, tenure is what people need, especially the hundreds of thousands of capable, young educators who get shuffled annually (or even semi-annually) like a deck of cards.

          • Jim

            Welcome to the real world Wired Whale! In private non union environment’s a person can be fired for pretty much anything, you have to produce each and every day to keep your job!

          • ZoomZoomDiva

            You can have due process without tenure, and expecting job security is simply out of touch with reality today.

          • Kevin Pearson

            Job security?

            That would be a problem because these teachers have no martketable skills. Otherwise they would have real jobs and wouldn’t be such blood sucking leeches on the taxpayer system.

            Those who can, do
            Those who cannot, teach

            These are among the LEAST educated people in the entire world. If they want job security then have them get real degrees

          • AJB

            That has to be one of the dumbest most ignorant comments I have ever read. But being from someone that clearly hates the education system I guess I shouldn’t have expected an educated response

          • Michele Davey Sylvester

            THANK YOU AJB !!!!!

          • Surly Curmudgen

            The SAT scores of students of teaching colleges are in the bottom one fifth of all SAT scores.

          • David Molinarolo

            I agree. My mom, who passed away this past April, was a retired teacher, with a Masters and several hours toward her Ph.D, but as far as doing or knowing anything else, even around the house, she was worthless. Dad even had to show her how to put gas in the van just weeks before she died.

          • Guest

            Your poor mom. Unless she was a really awful lady, I’m sure she would be heartbroken to know you thought she was worthless.

          • English Teacher

            And I suppose all these educated people of whom you think so highly just popped out of their mothers’ wombs with all the skills needed to perform. I agree that the education system is broken, but to blame the teachers is equal to blaming soldiers for a poorly planned battle. Something tells me you wouldn’t last a day in my classroom.

          • Michele Davey Sylvester

            so well said English Teacher….thanks a million….xo

          • Hotrod1962

            One-half of new teachers are out of the profession in 5 years. If teaching is so easy, go ahead become one….summers off, holidays, etc.
            I worked 30 years in the “real world” which was pretty high pressure……teaching is the hardest thing I have ever done.

          • Surly Curmudgen

            The ones who leave are generally the best teachers, they are not tolerated by the RIF RAF that out number them. Think back to who was your best teacher, then try to get them to open up about how they are treated by other teachers.

          • Hotrod1962

            A lot of second-career teachers leave because they aren’t used to putting up with the incompetence, waste, and out and out stupidity of the educational system. My biggest problem (and I myself almost left) was policy being decided by non-teachers or teachers who have been out of the classroom for a long time. Also, in my school, teachers are evaluated by principals with very little teaching experience. It can drive you crazy.

          • Cris

            Least educated? We all have to have at least our Bachelor’s degree; and I currently have my Master’s. How is that least educated? It shows how ignorant (let me define that big word for you…lacking education or knowledge/unaware or uninformed) you truly are. You have no idea what goes into planning and executing a lesson. I work at least 10-15 hours a day prepping for, setting up, or grading lessons. I do not work in a state that has tenure (Texas). I work hard every day to provide the best for my students. My parents are allowed into my classroom at any time. To lump ALL teachers into one category as being lazy and non-caring is unfair and actually lazy in its self. I would love to know what your degree is in. I have a Bachelor’s in History and a Master’s in Educational Psychology. I would also love for you to “guest teach” in my class for a week. You will soon find out how difficult it actually is. If you “cannot”, as you so plainly and very unimaginatively (because you could not come up with anything on your own) pointed out; why do we have enrichment days at our school? Why do we have projects where the students can make choices of how they do their assignments? Don’t come in judging until you have the whole story! Just like I am not going to judge you on your comment that you are a complete idiot. I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I mean after all you were able to read the comments and produce some legible/comprehensible sentences…missed a few punctuation marks…but for the most part readable. Did you not have a teacher that taught you that? Just curious.

          • Michele Davey Sylvester

            Oh Cris….thank you for your clearly very educated post….made my day….

          • GTMA

            Wow, 10 – 15 hours a DAY? When I teach (occasional substitute teacher in junior high and high schools), it takes me about 2 hours prep + 2 hours correcting papers per day… Am I not giving it enough effort?? ;)
            That said (tongue-in-cheek, you understand), you are darn right that teaching is hard! A joy to impart knowledge to willing students, but demoralizing to keep ORDER when half the students don’t want to be there, and constantly disrupt class. It discourages the good students too…

            And although I sent letters home to parents asking them in, to help out or visit, not one even responded. It appears most parents trust the system, or are they just plain negligent?

          • Hotrod1962

            Most of these guys who knock teachers (and there are bad teachers, just as there bad doctors, and lawyers, etc.) would not last two weeks in my classroom.

          • Michele Davey Sylvester

            a rather harsh opinion of teachers, who are qualified with a Bachelor’s degree, and many have Masters degrees….blood sucking leeches? And the LEAST educated people? Now that leaves me, speechless…!!!! No marketable skills…and not having a “real” job? Lastly, how could you think a Bachelor and Masters degrees are not REAL degrees? My question is this. Why did I reply to your comment? You have a right to post your opinion….and I have a right to disagree…..peace out…

          • pgx2

            I have been a public school teacher for 25 years. Tenure means NOTHING in SC. I’ve veteran teachers fired over issues that had no merit, because of political reasons. I don’t know what states might or might not recognize tenure, but SC does not. Teachers have to obey policies and curriculum decisions made by state legislators who know nothing about teaching. The public appears to be ignorant on who pulls the strings in public schools. It is NOT the teachers. They have the least power and are apparently responsible for everything!

          • Molly Mee

            No tenure in Texas either!

          • David Molinarolo

            Yes, but that does not mean that they still have to make bone-headed decisions in their teaching as exampled above in the article. My mother (who passed away this past April) was a retired school teacher who not only taught regular class rooms, but Gifted Education classes as well. Taught them with one of our State’s famous politicians back in the ’70s, who ran for Governor in ’98 (but lost), who later became Chancellor and President of the local regional university. She is probably rolling over in her grave if she knew what today’s education system has become. I went thru school from ’78-’91 and college from ’91-’96. I like to think that I was educated instead of indoctrinated. I learned how to think, and not w to think. But before mom retired in 2000, I kept hearing of the horror stories in the classroom that she would have to deal with. Mostly having to do with behavior problems and the inability to deal with them due to new rules that the Clinton Admin’s Dept of Education came up with.

          • warrenj

            She is probably rolling over in her grave if she knows you changed tenses in the middle of a sentence.

          • Michele Davey Sylvester

            warrenj….be nice!! His point was still well made…despite the grammatical errors and apparently lost on your observation….my opinion only….please no

            drama if you decide to respond….I’m being harmless..!!

          • Ashley

            Well that’s good your state doesn’t recognize it, but unfortunately most other states do such as mine. It gets even worse in college. We slammed a few teachers on basically not teaching us a damn thing, and mercy passing 75% of the class to keep their jobs. Yet, thanks to tenure, they get away with it.

          • Tammy LadyRebel Lanier

            I had one of my child’s teachers tell me that they ALL disagreed with teaching the common core standards but didn’t have a choice. However they wouldn’t start teaching it until they had no other choice. That happened this year
            And i did complain to no avail. So my only other option is to home school her. So your correct about it being out of the teachers hands.
            .

          • Jen

            I dont believe that for 1 second .. they strike in a heart beat for things like pay and benefits, yet they wont lift a finger for something that may actually do some good ( like eliminating common core ). Dont tell me they dont have a choice

          • mikellewellyn

            That’s a lot like having most other jobs.

          • PATRIOT PREACHER

            YEAH TRY THIS ONE ..
            JUST WALK ON CAMPUS AND VISIT UNANNOUNCED YOUR CHILD IN THEIR CLASS ..
            ELEMENTARY OR MIDDLE SCHOOL ..

            THEY WOULD CALL IN THE COPS AND A SWAT TEAM , THEY DONT WANT PARENTS KNOWING WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THOSE INDOCTRINATION ROOMS . YOU CANT LISTEN IN YOU CANT DROP IN , YOU ARE JUST SUPPOSED TO “TRUST “THEM

            N O T !!! HOME SCHOOL YOUR KIDS OR SKIP THAT NEW CAR AND PRIVATE SCHOOL THEM.

          • ShoNuff

            you coming in unannounced has nothing to do with them not wanting you to know what is going on in there. It is so that some stranger can’t just walk in an steal your children. if you want to know what is going on then volunteer as a class parent. teachers love it when parents volunteer to help.

          • towerofshelly

            Not always true. I did volunteer to help in my daughter’s class when she was struggling. Under no circumstances did they want me in the classroom. I thought that extremely odd.

          • Ray Watters

            True. My wife is a retired teacher from California. We moved to Texas and she volunteers at our local elementary school. They love to have her there!

          • Scott Smith

            A parent is not a stranger…check in at the office like all visitors are supposed to do. No, the schools have gotten secretive and will tell us nothing or even lie to us, so checking up on them seems frowned upon.

          • Michele Davey Sylvester

            excellent decision on the part of students’ safety….and good advice on volunteering as a concerned, and involved parent….even a grandparent…I would think that could be approved also…..

          • sdenn

            thats strange, where is that? I frequently drop in my kids school and sit in

          • Mike

            Tenure is simply contractually agreed-upon due process before being fired. An administrator who blames tenure for being unable to fire a a bad teacher is lying to cover his own incompetence.

        • pgx2

          EXACTLY! Much of what we teachers do is legislated (political games) by non-educators. I would take a pay cut to be able to control what and how I teach.

          • Richard Guth

            Ya but you can’t because you don’t work for the kids you work for the union.

          • Scott Smith

            So why is there no strikes by teachers to get changes made? Why no outcry of more teachers standing together? How can things change without the teachers having our backs against school boards? I would rather you get paid more and havecreative control.

          • Guy

            They are under a union contract, they are not allowed to strike :-(

        • buckofama2010

          the marxist unions are the problem. However, too many parents are uninvolved. If they would be involved and take action, this crap would stop.

          • Lisa Holland Martinez

            I disagree, I was the school mom. I volunteered in all areas. I know of a lot of parents who complain and the school would tell them that NO one else had complained. I took up a list of names about the same teacher, same problem, and the same results and turned it over to our school board. The teacher was sent to another school, and the principle was reassigned. My opinion is they should have been reassigned to work in the lunch room.

          • MeanieHead

            My grandmother was a lunch room lady until she retired at 85, and I’ll tell you she wouldn’t have put up with crap from the principal or the teacher if they weren’t pulling their weight. So, please don’t degrade the lunch ladies. They’re not all weirdos as portrayed in Disney movies.

          • sher

            I loved the lunch ladies at my school…I remember every single one of them from elementary to high school (but I also worked in the kitchen of the school my junior year) :-D

          • respectlife2

            The problem with them being reassigned is that they will pull the same thing at a new school. They won’t stop, just keep it up until they find parents who will not challenge them.

          • George Colom

            Just like the catholic church with the kid molesters !!!

          • Surly Curmudgen

            A restraining order not allowing them within a thousand yards of young minds.

        • R H

          “non-educators setting education policy” about tenure. In our school district (don’t know about other districts in area or if this is state wide) our non-educators is called the teachers union. Tenure after 1 year of teaching. Districts not being able to give a bad reference for a bad teacher. Not all teachers should be teaching ( I have many friends who teach). It took seven weeks to get rid of a chemistry teacher who didn’t teach but played games!!!! Not all students learn the same way. I can testify to that with haveing four kids!

      • Reality

        And your kids will turn into the same closed-minded republicans who glorify someone like George W. Bush and say things like “Pee on public schools” Congrats. I hope one day they can learn to speak as eloquently as GW himself…oh wait…

        • Melvin P. Arbuckle

          W speaks better off the cuff than the Teleprompter in Chief

          • http://www.WTF.com/ FCN

            and who can duck not one BUT TWO shoes like that and still come up grinning like a sh *T eater!!

          • Marc83

            All the modern presidents have used teleprompters. W didn’t because he’s dyslexic.

          • lraivala

            All modern presidents? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

        • Evy Rosebrook

          What an ignorant statement.

        • katal1

          Your a moron…

          • Andrew J.

            *You’re

          • katal1

            Andrew the Grammarian……Went to school in the L.A. county school system ……and you’re right.

        • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

          What exactly is wrong with that?

          • buckofama2010

            mohammed…may PISS be upon him

        • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

          What exactly is wrong with that?

        • svartalf

          Actually, it’s teachers like the example that teach them to be close-minded Liberals who glorify this crap and people like Che or the like.

          GROW UP.

        • AndreainAtlanta

          That might sting if it had been written by someone who doesn’t think exclusively in stereotypes. Reality, am I safe in guessing you’re a product of those awesome government schools? Maybe even an honor student?

        • dadymat

          nothing I would love more than an open debate between W and O…he would make O look like the fool he is…….Bush’s intelligence is vastly under rated because the mediots only focus on his goofy humor….all who have worked with him on all levels will tell you he is always the smartest guy in the room..

          • AlmostaCowboy

            LOL! “..smartest guy in the room.”
            BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • REAL COWBOY

            YOUR ONE OF THEM BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN LIBERAL GOAT ROPERS ARN’T YOU

            GEORGE HAS HIS FAULTS BUT HE IS SMART ENOUGH FOOLS LAUGH AT WHAT THEY DO NOT UNERSTAND .

          • AlmostaCowboy

            My bad. I’ve read that line about Obama so many times I misread what you wrote.
            In all fairness, your “English”….

          • dadymat

            laugh it up dumbass….hes smarter than you to

          • def

            Perhaps you should learn to speak and write the English language correctly before you comment in public. I remember you in my classroom. You were the one in the front chair that talked to the filing cabinet because you were so needy that you had to have your classmate’s full attention. You deprived everyone of the right to an education. You should have been tracked into the “picking up garbage along the roadside” track. The correct statement is He’s smarter than you two.

          • dadymat

            actually the correct statement is “He’s smarter than you too”….genius……I bet school was full or real painful memories for you, all those lonely days sitting in the lunchroom wishing someone would sit with you, wondering why everyone bullies you…..well its because you are a little twerp who cannot think of solid rebuttal so you attack a typo…see I was the one in your class that had a lot of friends and dated the pretty girls ,who went on to start his own business and live happily ever after

          • lraivala

            Pres. Bush’s intelligence was under-rated by the liberal lame stream media, OblameO’s is over rated by that same so called media outlet. Just listen to a O speech and he say “Ahh” & “Um” more than a valley girls say “Like”.

          • Scott

            Not that I listen to O that much, because he always says the same thing! “Let me be clear!, is like nails on a chalk board!

          • Kathryn Botard

            I’ve heard it said that he ah’s and uhm’s a lot because he is a genius. pffft!

        • Dirk

          W never needed a teleprompter to say good morning to his family unlike the current occupant of the WH. Maybe some day you will learn to think for yourself and not have everything spoon fed to you like a good little lemming.

        • Barney

          Reality… Isn’t.
          GW has more class, more intelligence, and deals (as in gets things done) with more problems than jerk butt in the White House today.

          You always denigrate people who speak with a strong accent?

        • rreactor

          I’ve had the pleasure of meeting W and his father. While I have not always agreed with them (41 should have taken care of Sadam while he had the chance, for example), both have more intelligence and respect for the country than the current resident. His “eloquence” was over rated (an example of the “soft racism” so often demonstrated by liberals like Harry Reid and Joe Biden, who were so impressed that he was “clean” and “articulate”, and therefore “acceptable”) and while he may be ‘highly intelligent” as we have been told, but have not verifiable evidence to refer to, his ability to make decisions is woefully lacking.

          I am decidedly not “closed minded”. On the contrary, l am open minded enough to recognize a con when I see it, regardless of how many charlatans try to convince me otherwise.

          • lraivala

            Politics played a major part in not going after him than, as it did when Clinton sent in 10 tomahawk missile into Iraq for threatening the life of said Pres. Bush.

        • AlmostaCowboy

          And yours will be good little Party members.

        • Bill LeBourveau

          George Buah is a better man than any of your racist lying scumbag liberal democrats. Why don’t you worry about things like why your party had to lie to continue enslaving their electorate, rather than involving yourself in anything having to do with education!

        • Juan

          so you probably think that obummer is doing better than “W”?…. pfffffffft, seems like you’re the one that needs to be educated.

        • Sam701

          Ladies and gentlemen, classic textbook Bush Derangement Syndrome

        • goldenshepard

          You are a liberal douchebag. Who gives a damn what you think.

        • Me

          Why do you complain about ignorant and “closed minded” people? It seems the public schools you and your ilk so love are doing their best to create a generation of ignorant, closed minded people. But then, the Democrats would lose the majority of their voters if we were all educated and open minded, so it’s all good.

          • REAL COWBOY

            I went to those public schools and got a decent education . in spite of the obvious liberal attempt at indoctrination and misinformation but I was done in 1977
            my brother just 5 years behind me got a terrible education full of propaganda and liberal foolishness
            the victim of public school experiments .

        • greg72

          Wow I figured all the W haters had grown up by now.

        • MysticPizza

          Are you really this clueless? Too bad that sea of Red took over the senate and the congress. Anyone still supporting the liar in chief is living under a rock.

        • lraivala

          Yup, your ignorance shines through like a good little democrat commie. Maybe you should re-read history as it is clear you missed the whole Stalin, Mao, Hitler school indoctrination sections. But, what is one to expect from a single cell amoeba brain of a liberal.

        • Jim

          Yeah Reality, everybody wants their Children to grow up to be a liar like Obama because the ends justify the means…

        • Debra Blouin

          Tenure was originally implemented to ensure the academic freedom of the professor–at the college level of instruction. Frankly, elementary and middle school teachers should have little need of tenure. Unfortunately, some teachers at that level are in need of tenure because they are trying to fight against an ideological stranglehold which forces them to teach to tests they have nothing to do with structuring. Other teachers take advantage of tenure to protect their mediocrity. Be involved, parents.

        • Dian Pitts

          No, no, no. With children being taught what to think instead of how to think, we will end up with a country of Gruber’s minions, AKA Democrats. You know, the stupid people who voted for the Affordable Care Act.

      • SMH

        Sadly, you haven’t a clue what teacher tenure is. You probably think we get a three month paid summer vacation, and paid holidays. Just because you went to school doesn’t mean you know all about public education. Don’t speak of things you are ignorant of.

        • towerofshelly

          I hope you don’t teach English with your sentence-ending prepositions.

          • Junior Birdman

            Agreed. Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put! ;)

      • annie

        My son had a 4th grade teacher who complained about his “restlessness” and insisted that he needed Ritalin.
        What he needed was something to do when he finished his classwork before anyone else did.
        When I got through dressing Mrs. Brown down, in front of her boss the principal, she no longer had any suggestions the rest of the year.
        Intimidation is a useful tool.

        • Garbage Man

          And rudeness?

          • TEACHER

            HAVE SOM E HALAL BACON

            NOT RUDE , STRONG

        • SMH at your stupidity

          Did you feel all big, bad, and strong b/c you talked down to her in front of her boss…knowing good and well she couldn’t “fight” back? Wow!! What a great example to set for your child…in my book that is called a bully. I am not saying you will always agree with what your child’s teacher is going to say or do. SHOCKER…they are human! But you could have handled it with a little more dignity and class instead of being something that rhymes with class.

      • Prophet Muhammad

        Hey man, how’s it going?

      • towerofshelly

        How kind of you to defend your wife and her going downhill fast profession. But, this article
        has been pretty much par for the course in terms of my kids’ experience
        with public school thus far. I’m already homeschooling my oldest because
        of it, will be pulling my middle kid out after winter break because
        I’ve had enough, and my youngest will never take a single ride on the
        big yellow bus, God willing. Nobody should have to work that hard in attempts to get rid of the crappy teachers, and have tons of kids suffering for
        it in the mean time. Yeah – you really want to go complain to everyone
        and their brother about the person to whom you are sending your kid to
        spend time with for hours a day in a classroom? That will surely go over
        well. I agree with the Prophet here. Pee on public schools.

    • Jim Freymuth

      Or better still, home school your kids.

      • Eric Drewes

        yeah so they can get all their brainwashing from home without having to pick up any of those nasty social skills

        • David Atherton

          I wish people like you could meet my nieces and nephew. They excel in every sport and extracurricular activity, are the most gracious, talented teenagers you would ever meet. Because they have time to devote to things not taught in public school, they are very well rounded individuals who are definitely NOT lacking any social skills.

          • Eric Drewes

            you haven’t observed them with their peers – they are good at being polite to adults. I wonder how they will handle the criticism, bullying, pressure etc. that exists in the real world when they encounter it for the first time? Please, I will concede that your niece and nephew are probably delightful people and that there are a lot benefits homeschooling can provide (tailored curriculum, one on one interaction, etc.) if you’ll admit that without having the social experience of dealing with a diverse group of peers over years of socialization, they MAY not have a mature understanding of the nuances of social interactions – which can have short and long term effects once they are outside the social bubble of their family/friends and into the “real world”. or we can just agree to disagree, that’s fine too.

          • Tony Cota

            Home schoolers interact with others.There’s usually a group event for home schoolers.I guess the belief that one must endure bullies will make one better and stronger…

          • Eric Drewes

            exposure to people suffering increases empathy, empathy is important.

          • homeschool mama

            Which is exactly why you will see homeschooled kids working in food pantries, helping with serving Thanksgiving dinner to the poor of the community, or visiting nursing homes.

            I NEVER got that in my private/ public school experience. Face it, your ‘socialization argument’ is baseless.

          • Eric Drewes

            “what doesn’t destroy you only makes you stronger” – Nietzsche

          • skip

            Public schools dont work because the schools aren’t allowed to punish the children anymore because of immature parents who are unable to believe their child ever does any wrong

          • Eric Drewes

            i know plenty of brilliant people that graduated from public schools

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            Imagine how brilliant they would be if they had not had to endure public education.

          • God20fearing12patriot

            Most homeschooled children are much more Socialized than their “peers” precisely BECAUSE they weren’t stuck in their own age group, picked on, bullied, or peer pressured. These kids often meet with other homeschool kids regularly within a homeschool network – and are exposed to PLENTY. They are not sheltered. Please tell me, besides lowering a child’s self esteem, what GOOD bullying does for a child? In the “real world” we don’t have to put up with bullies- we can choose to ignore them and walk away. Bullies are not tolerated in the work place, they are not tolerated in any setting. So tell me why a child must “endure” it in early childhood? A homeschooled child can be taught how to handle a situation-should it ever arise- without actually being FORCED into that situation (like public school students are) and they will just fine entering into adulthood. Perhaps you should shift your focus to the parents of children in schools who ARE bullies. They are bullies because they lack something at home. They make up for it by putting other kids down to build themselves up. Homeschooled children do not have this problem.

          • Christine Lyon

            I would just like to say I was bullied in school right up through junior high. I learned how to stick up for myself and how to handle stuff on my own. I do NOT like the thought of my child being bullied, but have found that often the bullies just need some extra attention. Being bullied can teach you street smarts, intellectual defenses, independence, and empathy. That is not to say you can’t learn those things without bullies, but it also shines the light on people who need extra attention. The child who used to bully my son didn’t feel loved at home. One day, after he picked on my child and I hugged my child (embarrassing him, of course) I asked the bully if he needed a hug. The child threw himself into my arms and started crying. He picked on people for the attention he lacked at home. My son learned how to have empathy for people who are having problems, how to diffuse situations without escalating it, and made a friend. The ‘bully’ was at our house, as a polite guest, after that.

          • Eric Drewes

            lovely story, thank you for sharing

          • Eric Drewes

            I’m just going to agree to disagree with you. I disagree with a majority of your points but I doubt I can change your mind so I’m not going to bother.

          • Public Schooler

            I have many friends who were home schooled and they tend to be better at dealing with people their own generation because they join community activities like sports or a civic theater. Just because it is not in a school setting doesn’t mean they don’t socialize with their peers.

          • Eric Drewes

            sports and civic theater only have people who are interested in sports and civic theater in them, and only has people who have families that can afford them the opportunity to play sports and go to civic theater. That immediately cuts down on the diversity, right?

          • Jaysen McDermith

            Do you seriously believe that homeschool kids dont play outside after public and private school lets out for the day so they don’t ever interact with these publicly schooled children? Do you believe they only interact and meet other homeschool children, they dont go to the park or the mall, get on Facebook, Instagram, or Snapchat? Do you really believe these homeschool children don’t live in the same neighborhoods as public and private school children? Oh, wait, I will bet you are one of those people that thinks homeschooled children just sit at home all day watching the educational channel and reading online articles about Alexander Hamilton and the Federalist Papers. LOL.

          • Jaysen McDermith

            One other point that I would like to make, most public school districts allow, for a fee of course, home schooled children to attend and participate in public school extra ciricular activities like dances,homecoming, prom, sporting events, and even some classes.

          • Tina Hollenbeck

            Actually, that’s not true. Those things are not open to homeschoolers in most states – but that’s fine. We have other means by which to provide those types of activities for our children…without the strings that would come with participation in the government system.

          • Tina Hollenbeck

            Here’s a challenge, give me a blindfold: Please get a copy of a book – any book – by John Taylor Gatto. He is a decorated NYC school teacher who took off the gloves after winning NY Teacher of the Year and started telling the truth about the system. Please read just one of his books before commenting again about the “beauty” of the system or the “problems” with its alternatives. Then come back and talk to us.

          • Drooo

            WOW! Dumbest comment ever written.

            Excuse me while I just go and cut myself. Why? You ask.

            Just to practice bleeding, of course!

            Now I have a better understanding of how HE won. Thx!

          • Eric Drewes

            such a thoughtful, well reasoned response. You’ve proven your intellectual superiority, I will bow graciously out of this argument.

          • Janet Baker

            You say David Athernon has not observed his nieces and nephew with their peers? On what basis do you make that assertion? Do you have some insider knowledge of his family life?

          • Eric Drewes

            Janet – children act differently around adults than they do when there are just children around. His presence affects his observation. That’s the basis I am making that assumption on.

          • Over It

            Interesting. Most of the kids who commit suicide over being bullied are in…wait for it…PUBLIC SCHOOL. Yeah, all the pressure and bullying in school sure does prepare them for “real life.” I wonder how many public school students who go to school with guns have a mature understanding of the nuances of social interactions? Your argument is the same old tired rhetoric homeschooling parents have been yawning over for decades. Bottom line: you can’t standardize children and that’s exactly what public schools do. Just like you are trying to do with your argument that home schooled kids are somehow incapable of socializing appropriately. I have news for you: children are socialized at home, by their families, from birth. When a child hits Kindergarten, they’ve already been socialized and I guarantee you, no PS teacher is going to do much to change what a child learns at home. If the parents are bullies, jerks, abusers, the children will emulate that behavior and not what a harried teacher who has to corral 30 kids every day tries to instill. So, get over the worn out “socialization” argument. It’s been disproved and debunked over and over and over. If you want to intelligently argue the pros and cons of home vs institutional education, stick to facts, not anecdotal “evidence” you see on “reality” TV or what your cousin’s neighbor’s barber says about some home schooled child they heard about in the grocery line.

          • Ann A. Jones

            Yeah, when they go out into the world as 18 yr olds, they will deal with only 18 yr olds. Meanwhile, most of those public schooled 18 yr olds will have no idea of how to get along with anyone over 25 and usually show total disrespect for anyone much older than 40.

        • Cap

          Yeah, because our “public school youth” are so skilled in their social behavior! You are obviously a product of our brainwashing indoctrination centers, otherwise known as public schools..

          • Eric Drewes

            Cap, you jump right to the nasty attacks. Unfortunately, thus far you haven’t quite passed the Turing test for me yet – I am not positive you aren’t just a conservative spam bot with a bunch of pointless abusive hyperbole you can sling at people coded into you.

          • Coby Parmenter

            A conservative spam bot. WTH is that? Would that be one of those made up thingys like a smart liberal?

          • Eric Drewes

            you and the 18 yokels that liked your comment… i’ll spell it out for you:

            a spam bot is something that has existed for about 20 years and is ubiquitous on the internet. It is a program that emulates a person with programmed responses. The fact you don’t know this and thought it was absurd points to the fact you are extremely out of touch with modern society and technology.

            I hope this answers the “smart liberal” question as well ;)

          • jdelcjr

            My cousin home schooled her 5 kids up to the middle school. (7&8th grade). They had plenty of interaction with other kids through township sporting events, and other organized activities. They all went on to college. As far as what you call “brainwashing”, parents are the only ones that have the ultimate right to raise their kids by their beliefs and customs. Whether you like it or not. Thats not “brainwashing”. A person would have to have a religious, social or political belief in the first place, before they can be “brainwashed”. Since its the parents right to pass their religious and social beliefs to their children, only someone other then the parent can “brainwash”them. Because a parent may raise their children with a political position you don’t agree with, you accuse them of being “brainwashed”. Most home schooled kids i’ve met are much more polite and respectful then many of the kids that have to deal with peer pressure in public or private schools.

          • Eric Drewes

            my brainwashing comment was in response to someone else saying children at public schools are brainwashed. I did not mean offense and apologize for repeating something that I don’t agree with and that incites a reaction rather than engages in an honest dialog. I’m sincerely sorry for being a jerk.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            dialogue.

          • Tina Hollenbeck

            Exactly, jdelcjr. What happens in government schools is the brainwashing – indoctrination into a belief system often at odds with parents’ values. And when parents – those who are the bosses by virtue of being the children’s parents AND the ones who pay the bills for the schools – complain, they are told to go home, shut up, and let the “experts” have their kids’ minds and hearts. That’s just what John Dewey – a socialist who went to Russia and Prussia to learn all about government schooling – wanted.

          • mae

            I’m not convinced you’re not a liberal spam bot. The socialization argument is so tired. So is the brainwashing argument. Why don’t you try something that hasn’t been disproved?

          • Eric Drewes

            please display evidence that children needing diverse socialization has been disproved?

          • Gladius Primus

            Your reference to homeschooling missing socialization is a gross distortion.

            Many home school children are involved in regular after school activities like music lessons, dance, theater, and sports.

            Further, many home schoolers belong to groups with other home schoolers and get together to take the kids on field trips.

            Home schooling does not eliminate diverse socialization. It reinforces positive social experiences, and minimizes many of the negative experiences found in “traditional” school settings.

          • Eric Drewes

            thank you for sharing your opinion

          • Guest

            Were you home schooled or had you home schooled one of your children ?

          • Ann A. Jones

            Homeschooled children do not usually spend all day with people of their same age. They are more likely to interact with younger children, young adults and older adults. Being alone with no one but your age cohorts is far from a natural setting and has little to do with the world of adults.

          • Tina Hollenbeck

            First display some evidence that “diverse socialization” is necessary. Are we saying that all those who were homeschooled – the primary means of education everywhere until about 100 years ago – were somehow deficient? That Washington, Franklin, Lincoln somehow lacked social skills? Really? Second, display some evidence that being homeschooled does not provide for “diverse socialization.” And, FYI, “evidence” does not mean the two homeschooled children you’ve met in your life – at the grocery store one day. Evidence refers to data – objective data. Research does exist on homeschooled kids’ socialization and it disproves you.

          • Cap

            It’s only pointless to a mindless liberal..The rest of us have no problem with the point that I’ve made, moron..

          • Eric Drewes

            Cap, you’re the worst counter-troll i’ve ever met. suck an egg dude – be interesting or go away.

          • Melvin P. Arbuckle

            Irony can be so ironic

          • Eric Drewes

            go feed garfield

          • Evan

            Guess your kids are gonna be the UN-athletic and socially inferior bunch who attend college, or a further education. Good luck.

          • samantha

            I’m sorry but I just have to point something out. Me and my cousin are the same age have the same skill level in school and may as well be twins. However, she was homeschooled most of her life and I was in private and public for most of my life. She has almost no social skills and I make friendsand keep them almost eeverywhere I go. So yes homeschooling does keep some kids from learning social skills. Some kids who are homeschooled do have social skills but that is mostly because they go to clubs or are involved in other social events.

          • chamomiletea

            My cousin and I…

          • Lynn

            Hey, she was schooled in the public schools.. Awful grammar, but, she has the social skills!

          • Kikuchiyo

            *Private school.

            Reading comprehension is also an important part of English. We do not know how long she has been in public school. :P

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            So does Kim Kardashian.

          • Marlo Miller Ricciardi

            And most of the home schooled kids probably know it should be ” My cousin and I” instead of me and my cousin.

          • Tina Hollenbeck

            I don’t mean to be harsh, but is her grammar better than yours? I’m guessing it is, so let’s call it even and move on.

          • Ann A. Jones

            I hope her grammar is better than yours.

          • http://mackers-world.com/ Macker

            Or, with all the crap they’re teaching nowadays about sex…better known as pubic schools!

        • Home school mom

          Eric, I guess co-ops in the park, weekly roller skating, MMA training, soccer, softball and birthday parties don’t count as socialization in your book? Everyone was MORE socialized when we were not stuck in some government institution for 7 hours a day.

          Do not speak of something that you obviously know nothing about.

          • Eric Drewes

            home school mom, those are all good but they still lack the open air freedom unsupervised with diverse groups of people from different belief systems and economic backgrounds. There’s also something to be said for shared experiences – your children will miss common experiences that the majority will go through.

            I already said there’s things you can do with homeschooling that are very good, i also think that the majority of home school kids miss a very important aspect of socialization. You work hard to mitigate that, fine, but I stand by my statement.

            Neither of us know everything, both of us are free to agree or disagree and express our views as we see fit. However, unless you have form of authority that I recognize as valid over me, I will neither concede to your demand nor accept your judgment that I know nothing about the subject. Considering I wouldn’t bow to God himself if he were standing before me in all his majestic glory, shining like the sun and making us all weep with his heavenly grace and transcendence, good luck with that.

          • joel swenson

            Eric Drewes, I wonder how many kids you have and their ages? You sound like you have all the “book” answers, but none of the real life experience that comes from meeting parenting challenges ahead on. You have no humility that comes from walking the floor all night, worrying about a sick child, or maybe one that is going through a rebellious destructive period. Book sense will never take the place of common sense. It goes back to the old adage,”give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”. You completely ignore teaching morals, values, more’s, etc. Public schools do not teach these things.

          • Eric Drewes

            public schools shouldn’t teach morals. parents still have their children for the majority of their time and that is when they learn values and morals. We don’t want the state to teach people right and wrong, right?

          • homeschool mama

            You are wrong on this point. The school has the kids the majority of the time, not the parents. How can the parents have the kids the majority of the time when, for five days a week, the kids are spending 8 hours of their day away from home?

          • jvs

            My homeschooled teenage daughters are Roman Catholic. We are friends with children who are atheist, agnostic, Muslim, Hindu and Jewish. We are friends with families working here from Ireland, Mexico and Spain. We are friendly with a Deaf family. Most of the families we know are ultra liberal and we are conservative and lean towards libertarian. We have spent a night in a friend’s Manhattan Penthouse and we have cooked for and served the homeless. I am not quite sure how you can assume that homeschooled children and by extension their families only associate in a homogeneous group. Our homeschool group is far more diverse than our neighborhood public school.

            As far as missing common experiences that the majority go through, I will pass on exposing my children to school violence, bullying (they were not aware the app Yik Yak existed), and over testing.

          • Eric Drewes

            jvs: anecdotal evidence is good but the vast majority of home schooled children do not have the diversity yours do. Rural home schooled children in Ohio in towns where 100% of the population is white christian are not getting the exposure they need to gain awareness and appreciation for the diversity that exists in our world.

          • JAFO

            If the population is 100% white, how is going to school going to provide a different exposure set to the home schooling groups?

          • Eric Drewes

            in rural areas many towns share schools, there’s guaranteed to be more diversity (both economic, belief, religious and ethnic) than if they are home schooled and spend most of their time in isolated groups, right?

            Although, i do concede you have a valid point that was worth mentioning. Thank you

          • homeschool mama

            And if that is their community base, the public school kids won’t be getting exposed to any sort of diversity either.

        • Shell1970

          My son is homeschooled, not brainwashed, and thankfully doesn’t pick up those “nasty social skills” like disrespectfulness, bullying, and total disregard for others. He has, however, learned valuable skills such as respectfulness and kindness, responsibility and work ethic, the importance of learning and asking questions, and how to think for himself. I agree that not all teachers are bad, my sister is one of the absolute best, but homeschool situations are not all bad either, please don’t assume such.

          • Eric Drewes

            thank you for your thoughtful response – I concede home school situations, when properly set up, can be good environments for children, and conversely, public school situations can be poor environments. I am not trying to express the idea that one is 100% good and the other is 100% bad, I’m just saying as a society, we can work together to get environments for children where they get a proper education and proper socialization and it can be available for all families, not just the ones that have the economic/family situation to use home schooling effectively.

        • Jen

          I was home schooled and I have marvelous social skills. You can’t avoid social situations. School is not the only place you learn them. You also learn them as a child going to the playground, from leaving the house and having to order food, or starting a conversation with people when you’re in the waiting room at the vet and they have a really cute dog… We don’t live in this world by ourselves, school is not the only place you learn to be social. You also learn how to interact with others as a child by watching your parents interact with others. Besides, schools set unrealistic enviornments for making friends. Once you graduate, you don’t get to always be friends with people your own age. You end up making friends with folks of all ages, and that can teach you more about life than the narrow social universe of being in a classroom with 30 other kids exactly your age.
          On the otherhand, if a child is being raised by someone who is asocial, and they are homeschooled and not allowed to go anywhere, then they would not be very social, no.

        • Geoarrge

          They’ll learn better social skills hanging out with old people.

        • Margipoo

          I’ve gone through public school K-12 (well, 11 ½, I’m a senior) and I have serious issues with my social skills, however, a close friend of mine was homeschooled until high school, and she has no problem with social interaction.

        • greg72

          Apparently you know very little about homeschooling.

      • ophidic

        EVEN better still, don’t homeschool your kids, because you’re probably not qualified to.

    • http://batman-news.com will

      I’m completely with you on this one Billy. I had amazing teachers all through school, none on them chastised me for being above level. In fact, all of them praised me for it. I feel like its just a few bad educators ruining the images of the many good ones.

    • SSGT C M Hackett

      “Complain about it”? Why, so the principal can side with the teacher and then tell the public that what is done in the school is private and no one’s business? (See Maine News last month.) We do complain about it and we are told to sit down and shut up, that the “school system” knows better how to raise our children.

      • homeschool mama

        This is EXACTLY why we pulled our kid out of public school!

    • Wired Whale

      And yet people will complain about everything. There is no more teacher’s authority. If a parent complains, a grade can be changed, a punishment can be removed, and a teacher can be disciplined by the district or school officials. And you know something? The kids know about this. That’s why they threaten their teachers with the above. I just came from a conversation with a parent over the fact that she feels it’s not right that her son be the first out of 7 students responsible to receive a written warning.

      I’m not saying that there aren’t teachers that do bad things, but it shouldn’t be at the point where it must become a game of he-said-she-said between teachers and students, and the teacher should never have to feel as though he or she has to get the message to the parents before the kids do, because the kids are going to exaggerate or leave out details.

    • Chic Magnet Bailey

      BULL, http://youtu.be/RdgzBNh6kEM Your wifes NEA Lawyer contradicts what your post claims!

    • YERMOM182

      The good teachers will tell you that this goes on all the time, and many of them complain about the system as much as anyone else, but because their career is at stake they shut their mouths.

      and become part of the problem.

    • Lisa Holland Martinez

      I agree, but the sad thing is, when you complain no one listens. At least not in the school my son goes to. I had to go to the local news and walk onto campus with cameras rolling before anything was done.

    • Tammy LadyRebel Lanier

      God bless your wife for being a good caring teacher. We need many more like her. Kids are falling thru the cracks and there are not enough teachers such as your wife to save all of them. On behalf of my fourth grader thank your wife. I pray my baby has teachers thru out her school years like yours is. They are worth more than gold. Much respect and love yes love to your teacher.

    • gena123

      I agree completely, however unions make it impossible for schools to get rid of the rotten apples. My son was harassed by his third grade teacher, she had all the boys in his class sitting on special chairs weighted down with heavy beanie toys so they wouldn’t move. I sat in on his class as I had become worried when I had to physically drag him into the school building to get him to go to class. I watched the girls giggle and whisper, and the teacher ignored it, if a boy twitched he was yelled at, I warned the school that she was mental after she verbally attacked my son in front of my sister. They refused to listen, threatening me when I bugged his backpack. I pulled my son from school. A year later the woman had a complete melt down and was institutionalized, no apology from the school who claimed the problem was me and my family. It has been years and now the same school district has rehired her. It is amazing to me, that the woman was allowed to traumatize children then hired back to do it some more. I homeschool my son.

    • PeterLeonard Ludwinski Godsown

      MAKE SOME NOISE! – Cry Out To Jesus! http://youtu.be/A4VDoNLa77g?list=UUwCXysObV9QIUDCDeKXojkQ

    • Whitney Combs

      I think you’re missing the point. This is not about a few bad teachers – and there are alot. This is about the system that almost demands that they be so or they could lose their jobs. The system created by politicians who know nothing about education, is about teaching kids to stay in line and stay quiet – not about educating them. This is something that frustrates teachers and parents alike, to great extent. Unfortunately, it has seemed in our experience, the younger the teacher, the less issue they take with this, having been raised in the ideals themselves.

  • motherall

    Thanks heavens there are still schools teaching cursive. My grandson who graduated last year did not. It should not be a lost art so that “ancient” documents of our country cannot be read by the young as written rather than in the common core rewrite.

  • Ben

    I am a teacher, and Conservative, and I’m somewhat young (29). I can assure that we are not teaching kids to stay in line, and be good little commies. The way you ended that is an insult to my profession. You get mad at liberals who judge all conservatives by the actions of a few, why are you doing the same thing, quite hypocritical wouldn’t you say? Don’t link all educators together because of a few nutcase college professors, and your occasional incident in a public school that can have the context twisted to all kinds of epic proportions. If you want people to join the conservative movement, great, I’m behind you, but don’t resort to the same bullshit media tactics that MSNBC and CNN go to. I am not teaching robots, I am teaching kids to explore. Shame on you YC, shame on you.

    • larrybud

      Ben, all one has to do is to read the textbooks to understand exactly what is being taught.

      I would say as a conservative, you are far and few between in your profession.

      • Dr. Diagnosis

        Ben, where do you teach? Utopia? The closest a teacher came to saying they were conservative in my school was “I’m a moderate.” You’re just one odd egg in the basket.

        • Teacherman2000

          I consider myself a museum quality conservative and have been teaching almost 20 years. I long for another Reagan to rise in our political system! However, I can say that when it comes to public education most conservatives are just wrong. I believe the liberal side is not much better. Most people who influence public education are not teachers. I sincerely believe most are well meaning but have no background in how kids learn or how schools operate.

          • Eric Drewes

            the good old days of reagan, where we were just trading missiles and arms for hostages instead of guantanamo bay inmates

          • David Atherton

            I’d bet the teachers on this thread could teach you a thing or two about capitalization and punctuation.

          • Cap

            Nah, he’s a public school robot..I bet he knows NOT to draw pictures of guns though!

          • Eric Drewes

            there are three dots in an ellipses, Cap.

            http://villainking.com/clint.jpg

          • Eric Drewes

            Zing!

            Is this better, sir? I was typing on my cellphone and didn’t realize I needed to properly capitalize my off-the-cuff blurb on a message board post to earn credibility with the scholars here.

            Ad hominem attacks are usually a decent last resort when you have nothing else to leverage but honestly, I am disappointed by the meekness and pedantry of your comment.

            The two funniest aspects of it are 1) I know you double checked your own capitalization and punctuation to make sure you didn’t embarrass yourself as a result of Muphry’s Law. 2) you tried to imply that I didn’t know how to capitalize or use periods, the fundamentals of grammar and punctuation, despite the fact that I have enough knowledge to reference the Iran Contra affair in the 1980’s. So do you think I’m an idiot savant when it comes to political history? I have pondered on the point you were attempting to make but haven’t quite resolved it.

            Anyways, thank you for your time. Have a good evening

          • It’s Murphy’s not Muphry’s

            You mean Murphy’s Law right? Ironic don’t you think, that you would flame someone so quickly, and while explaining their spell checking and grammar checking in order to not prove themselves to be idiots, you yourself misspell the very point you were trying to make. Now that is either incredibly ironic and funny, or outlandishly sarcastic and dry, either way I think it was a miraculous fail.

    • Emily

      It’s not a “few.” I live out in the sticks in KY, and there’s nutty stuff like this going on at schools out here. They didn’t say “all,” they said “too many,” and that is perfectly accurate.
      Sure, not all educators are the same, and if you’re not raising little commies, good for you. But teachers should know that they have limits, because the kids are not theirs. They might be entrusted to your care, but they are not in your custody, their parents are the main authority, not the school system.

      • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

        Unfortunately Emily, that’s just not how they think. It wasnt long ago that Melissa Harris-Perry on MSLSD said “all of your kids belong to us”.

        • David Atherton

          MSLSD, huh? I love it when a fellow Levin-ite chimes in!

          • Coby Parmenter

            Ya buddy!!

    • Carissa Siordia Vasile

      Do you teach common core?

    • Ballistic45

      Ben, you had better do some fact checking, who authors your text books and who paid for their original publications, who in your local education system approved them for use.. I think you will be surprised… Also I have been reading about increasing number of reports about kids being disciplined by their schools for wearing anything with an American flag on it, reasoning, that it maybe offensive to foreign students.. Sense when can foreign students celibate their holidays and patriotism to their homeland at school and be completely supported by the system but the same US Taxpayer support systems have and are denying a US Citizen student from displaying an American Flag on US SOIL.. You cannot deny this is a growing anti American phenomenon in our school systems..
      http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/education/item/17721-twisting-childrens-minds-with-school-textbooks
      Review Ordered of Video Showing Students Singing Praises of President Obama:
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/24/elementary-school-students-reportedly-taught-songs-praising-president-obama/
      Obama Children Sing for Change for Dear Leader:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54tjbgJmLFg
      Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama:
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/24/elementary-school-students-reportedly-taught-songs-praising-president-obama/
      School kids taught to praise Obama:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo
      Praising Obama to Battle Hymn of the Republic (begins at 1:34):
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixe4zOy5e7A&feature=player_profilepage#t=84

      Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals:
      http://polizeros.com/2009/09/16/saul-alinsky-rules-for-radicals/

      • Ben

        Ballistic, trust me my friend, I’m aware that the public education system is troubling, and I have major beef with those at the top who make the decisions. I didn’t appreciate how this portrayed the teacher’s as the villians, I know dozens of teachers and none of them would chastise a kid for being “too smart too soon”, regardless of political affiliation. 90% of teachers are for the kids, the 10% that aren’t, unfortunately move to office positions. It’s a broken system, I just hope we can get someone in that can fix it. In the mean time, I’m going to try to fly under the radar.

        • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

          I would argue that its not a “public education system” anymore. Its a public indoctrination system.

        • MrDexterSmith

          I’m a public school teacher, and what Ben says here is sooooo true.

        • Cap

          As a teacher, do you know the difference between “teacher’s,” and “teachers?”

          • God20fearing12patriot

            Man, people like you annoy me. I’m sure he does know the difference, but like many of us, he’s probably on his phone- and not particularly careful with spelling, punctuation, or other minor semantics. Yes, it’s distracting for those of us who know better- but as someone who scored a 36 on my ACT in English, I STILL MAKE MISTAKES TOO. Get off your high horse!!

        • Ballistic45

          Get yourself a cool Internet Name then spill the beans on what is really coming down the pike for our school system… I have seen some examples of the “Common Core” curriculum.. It is obviously an attempt at indoctrinating some leftist ideas along with so call education… In one lesson on Possessive Nouns, sentences are to be streamlined by the student, but the sentences also indoctrinate political ideas, see below…
          Found on following site..

          http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/10/common-core-lessons-blasted-for-sneaking-politics-into-elementary-classrooms/
          It was reported by Fox News, but they didn’t write the lesson…

    • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

      Congrats and keep doing what you’re doing but regardless of what you may think, you’re the exception, not the norm. Its not just “a few nutcase college professors”. The vast majority of educators are pompous windbags just trying to make good little Democrat voters for the future. There’s no interest in actually preparing them for life whatsoever.

    • CC

      Yes Ben! I encourage discussion and thinking outside the box to solve problems. In fact I often make a point to ask kids MULTIPLE ways to solve the same problem because there is often not one answer in real life. Please don’t make blanket hate statements just because you hit one bad teacher.

    • Robert Pierce

      Not sure if you actually read the way they ended the article, because your comment seems to suggest you need to read it again. Notice he didn’t use an absolute. He used the word “most.” Therefore, contrary to your claim, he did not lump “all” teachers into one box.

    • AmyJoy

      Well said. I am a conservative teacher and work with many other conservative teachers. The liberal teachers I work with also teach children to think and would never consider doing any of the actions in the article. These are a few sensational stories about a few teachers. Post some of the uplifting stories too. But I guess that won’t get anyone irate.

    • Samantha J Jungers

      I’ve just finished with High School, and MOST of the teachers were good, who encouraged free thought and excellence. Some were conservative, some liberal, and some moderate, but most were good at what they did and strove to make us the best. So, in response to those saying that you’re one of the few good ones (based on your claims), I don’t believe that . If anything, I do believe it is the curriculum. Or maybe, I live in an unusual place. *shrugs*

    • doublespoiler

      Ben, you may not be someone who is teaching kids to “stay in line” and teaching for the test, but many teachers are. The school system encourages good standardized test scores. But in a system where kids are ruly, inattentive and rude (because there is little to no respect for teachers), many teachers feel pressured to teach for the tests, otherwise they get cut. The entire system is flawed, and those teachers who “teach for the test” are simply trying to make it by. It’s not a problem with the teachers. You seem like a good teacher, keep doing what you’re doing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peggy-Powers/1352073815 Peggy Powers

    This is why my above average grandchildren are homeschooled. They are soooo smart and two years ahead of their age groups. I can’t believe how smart they really are.

    • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

      We started homeschooling a year and a half ago and its been the best decision weve made for them.

  • Johnny

    This is not true. Some teacher, bad teacher, are like this, but there are others, like my kindergarden teacher, who noticed those students that would excel above the rest, and not just excel, but like and urge to excel, which included me. She pinned us against each other in friendly competition to see who could do the best on math problems the quickest, and we all learned at a level which we needed. She was an amazing teacher and knew how to deal with children like us. These problem are because of teacher who took up the wrong profession. Teachers like my kindergarden teacher are the ones that took up the right profession. She still taught everyone else at a proper pace, but those of us who got bored at, what for us seemed like a slow pace, she spent extra time to bring in more advanced material. She worked double time to give both groups what they needed. Those are good teacher who would make the american system what it should be. It’s in the teachers. Now I am at college and studying to be a Computer Scientist with plans to go on to graduate school to become a Software Engineering. She made a huge impact on my life and I still remember her. Various teachers were like that, her especially, but it is about finding those people who are like her who loves teaching and putting them in the positions where they are needed and deserve to be, in this case, as teachers.

  • Misty Petty

    I graduated yesterday from an average public high school. Here’s my insider view on teachers: They are often some of the most hard working, underpaid people in the world.They work tirelessly for us. They think about us in and out of class and often spend more time with us than their own kids. They continuously to constantly care about our education, even beyond how much we care at times. Of course there are exceptions to this, as there are bad and good people in every proffesion, but in my opinion, teachers are more compassionate than the average individual. At one point, my life was even saved by a few of them. They are truly the unsung heros of society.

    • Teacherman2000

      Wow, thank you. :)
      I suspect that you are probably one of those students that teachers dream of having in their class. You are articulate, intelligent, and have learned empathy for others. Good luck as you progress in your life!

    • Bobby G. Hunsaker

      Underpaid, nah. Sure, they don’t make a fortune, but most teachers earn a comfortable – a wage well above the national median – wage once they reach tenure (usually about 5 years after hire).

      • Kayri

        A problem with your argument is that many districts haven’t had a raise in the past 5 years, not even a cost-of-living raise, while prices have nearly doubled for most things in that time. It used to be possible to make a decent living as a teacher, but it’s getting tough now.

      • doublespoiler

        Maybe on average they do, but I can tell you that the average public school teacher wage in Arizona (which is 51st in the nation for educational funding), is meager at best.

  • http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/fisherhl Mr. Avatar

    I don’t doubt this story any more then I doubt some of the good comments about teachers. Sometimes it may be the particular school that seems to be the problem when you have bad teachers. Or the school when you have good teachers.

  • Jeff

    My fiancé and several of my good close friends are teachers, and I am sure they would take offense to this, just as I did (and I am not even a teacher). Yes, there are some bad teachers out there, just like there are some bad mechanics, bad bartenders, bad hair stylists, bad bosses and CEOs, etc. Don’t try to push this label onto all teachers.

    My fiancé is an elementary school music teacher and she is constantly pushing her students to excel and try harder. She has had to make 5 new “belts” for her Recorder unit because her students were going above and beyond to learn the unit. Her choir has tripled in size over the last 4 years that she has been at the school. She now has 90 kids singing in her extracurricular choir because they all want to be apart of it and she has never turned a child away from it. She has worked harder then anyone I have ever seen to help her students excel and be the best they can, she works more on the weekends and over the summer then most people do during the week.

    One of my friends is a high school teacher in an inner-city school and she is constantly working hard to try and get the students involved in school but they simply don’t want to. But this doesn’t stop her from putting in the hours and thinking of the programs and units that can reach out to them and help them with their school so they can get into a college and keep them out of gangs or trouble.

    Sorry for this long post and rant but I am sick and tired of seeing people post this sort of stuff with their one-sided, biased opinion.

  • Katielee4211

    My granddaughter could read at 3 (by osmosis, I think). By the time she was in school she was way ahead of her classmates. Fortunately, she’s had good teachers and while they worked with the other kids at their grade level, she was allowed to go to the reading shelves and pick out something on the ‘top shelf’. My granddaughters have been in the same grade school their father was and while there have been excellent, true teachers, there have been some that were right on the level of those mentioned in this article.

  • Jimmy

    This is so fake it isn’t even funny. Anything to get readers right?

  • Eric Perez

    I had a teacher in middle school who found every little thing he could to write me up for and dock my grades for. Why? Because I would take quizzes and tests without ever having OPENED the book we had for that class. I’ve always had an interest in science, and he would accuse me of cheating every single time, even when i had to take surprise tests and pop quizzes on the other side of the room from other students and STILL score higher than the ones who had the book on “open book” tests. Yes, there are good teachers out there too, I had afew growing up. But there are more teachers who burn out and don’t give a damn anymore, and only want to be listened to and obeyed without question.

    • frank

      If you are wrong, he should mark you off period. You aren’t anything special if you don’t read you middle school book. I would mark you off for little things too, as should every teacher, whether you read the book or not. You don’t get special privileges for being lazy.

      • kidd

        Red mark for Frank! Correct “you middle school book”, then I’ll take you seriously. As a side note, if he passed the tests and quizzes without his book, then it’s apparent he learned the info elsewhere. Not everything is learned from books, or by rote, or by experience, but a combination of all those things, and then some. My son is the same way.

      • Eric Perez

        Except I was right. I would get perfect scores on his tests, sleep in class and still get his quizzes right, so forth. I had a teacher I was genuinely smarter than, and knew more about science than, and he hated me for it. He outright sought to punish me for knowing his subject better than he did.

        • Tburg1

          I can’t speak for this teacher, but speaking as a former teacher it’s not always about what you think it’s about. Especially as a middle school child it seems to me that he might have been trying to teach you something about work ethic and not skating through. Although I do not agree with his methods, I would have given you harder work and something to challenge you. Maybe something to challenge you against his mind. It seems that you like to be the smartest person in the room. I’d challenge you to prove it to me. You might actually have been smarter than me. So educate me. Teach me. You’re right, you shouldn’t be punished for being smart. But being intelligent comes with a price. It doesn’t mean that you get to look down on others because you know more than they do. I would hazard to guess that he was trying to push you to prove yourself and his pride may have been wounded as well. But if you do know more than someone else, shouldn’t you then edify them? Or should you shut them out and keep that knowledge to yourself? If it is the latter, then life will quickly become quiet and lonely. If you choose to share your knowledge and then life will be much different. Also, there are sometimes lessons that teachers try to teach that go beyond the subject they teach. I would guess that this teacher was trying to teach academic discipline and respect for authority. It’s not the way I would have gone about it, but teachers, by nature, are generally teaching more than what you think they are (they’re clever like that). It’s just hard to see it at the time(especially when you are in middle school). You clearly have a thirst for knowledge and I wish that this experience had been different for you. Just know that when you go into an experience like this again, go in with an open mind knowing that it is what you make of it. I wish you the best going forward.

        • Jimmy

          I Agree with Frank, how could he mark you off if you paper was perfect. No you said there were small things. YOU SAID IT YOUR SELF THAT THERE WERE THINGS. This is confession to your errors. This means even though you viewed them as small, the teacher noticed your mistakes. As he should, he marked you off. Maybe you are not as perfect as you first thought. Because he noticed errors you didn’t.

          • Eric Perez

            Alright, let me be more clear when I said “things.” I’d be the only one he’d mark at all for penmanship. I’d miss class FOR A SCHOOL ACTIVITY and be assigned extra work or he’d just dock ten points of my next test. I’d yawn (when I was actually awake) and he’d write me up for being “disruptive” while someone else would make paper airplanes and get nothing. I remember almost missing a dentist appointment that year because despite having approval from the office, he wouldn’t let me leave class. I gave an example of a BAD TEACHER, was I a model student HECK NO, I was a punk as a kid, my parents had divorced the year before and I didn’t even understand what “acting out” meant. But while there are just fine teachers aplenty, I had two TERRIBLE teachers in middle school and will never forget how shameful it was that they were allowed to teach.

    • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

      You forgot the robot rules Eric. You…..must……learn……the……..way………they……..want…….you……..to……..learn…….and ……..at………the…..speed……….they………tell………you…….that…….you……must……go…….all……robots……..must…….reach………the………end……..at……..the……..same…….time………the………same………..way.

  • Nobam2012

    I agree. Schools and teachers are out of control.

  • Sean

    And the parent is right.

  • Rick Cook

    The teacher must be a liberal. Because to liberals, being equal means bringing those that dare to excel down, rather than equipping those at the bottom to excel.

    • DrJKH

      Most teachers are liberals. Hence why they’re this way.

  • Jack Me Hoff

    You wrote: “My third grade teacher actually had a conversation with my mom that I was reading to well and told her to stop having me read at home.”

    Too bad she didn’t teach you the difference between “to” “too” and “two” in your down time.
    Hopefully you leaned the difference between “their”, ‘there’ and “they’re”, or “stake” and
    “steak”. There are so many others, but this may be overload for you already.

    • german girl

      If you correct someone, please make sure your spelling is wright “leaned” should be learned.

      • Bongo Bob

        If you are correcting someone who corrected someone please make sure your spelling is correct! “Wright” should be right!

        • doublespoiler

          If you are correcting someone who corrected somebody correcting somebody else, please make sure you use your commas correctly :).
          /s

  • thomas belford

    I pulled my Children out of public in 1995 removed television from my house and home schooled. I would not let my dog be taught in one. My children work hard make good money and are leaders not followers. Both of my sons have jobs that most college students can’t do because of the public schools they attended.

  • thr33guns

    They misspelled “to” near the top. It should be “too.” A minor quibble, but if you’re going to call someone out, you might want to check your usage.

    The sentiment is not lost on me though and I agree with them whole-hardheartedly.

  • K

    Am I the only one who noticed that there’s nothing about a first grader writing cursive in this whole article?

    • A-Train

      Right? I was expecting another handwritten message under the teachers, from the child. Disappointed.

  • Bongo Bob

    I was told by a teacher in high school not to do cursive – ever!

    (My handwriting kind of sucks! Thank god for typing!)

  • CC

    This certainly shouldn’t be taken as the norm. I’ve been teaching for nearly ten years. I’ve had students that read on a 6th grade level or higher in 3rd grade at a normal elementary school and I go above and beyond to create special lessons and assignments to encourage higher students to read at their level. We require ALL students to read at home every night. My school is FILLED with teachers just like me. We work hard and long hours to differentiate and specialize our lessons.

    • Prophet George W Bush PBUH

      Your name, alone, is a good reason to homeschool my kids.

  • Ez03

    I may be nitpicking here – While I think this is great and all (maybe a little over-dramatic; also, clearly written by someone who loves attention); she lost all credibility the moment she failed to write “too” correctly. I know it may seem trivial, but if you’re attempting to project your advanced intellect by reflecting on a lifetime of over-achieving, I think a little proofreading is in order. I’m giving the benefit of the doubt that she does, in fact, know her “two, too, and to’s”. Haha.

  • ross mcglockness

    this is precisely why my daughter will never darken the doors of a public indoctrination camp. i don’t care if i have to sacrifice every penny i have. she will not be subjected to this nonsense.

  • Oscar C Salinas

    When my daughter was in HS she was an honor student and taking advanced English. She was not Spanish speaking, English her native language. She was also avid reader and very smart. She was required to take English proficiency test in order to graduate(just because her surname was Spanish). California crazy system. Academic racism.

  • LK

    This is obviously a thread from tumblr; can anybody link to the original? I’d like to reblog it from the source.

  • Amanda Beachum

    If there weren’t grammatical mistakes in this, I might actually believe it.

  • german girl

    Bongo Bob.
    If you were taught Oxford English in a German School with very strict Teachers, you know your spelling. Do not feel bad, everybody in the US makes the same mistake.

    • FM505

      Everyone…? Yer certin girly…?

  • Kevlaur

    Is this an essay from the young man as he grew up or are these anecdotes from his mother? This is poorly written and hard to follow.

  • Allen Iwasaki

    To be frankly honest, there’s not enough credit being delivered to the teachers who work with NEW students every year. I am a rising senior, and since I haven’t seen too many, I will be giving my perspective as a student. I have had many different teachers throughout my lifetime. Some were better than others; however, despite the actions of a fraction of the population of teachers, I would not go so far as to label them selfish and manipulative. A fact that many seem to be overlooking is that all students are not the little angels they appear to be at home. As a growing trend, I’ve witnessed multiple methods of disrespect demonstrated to teachers by students. Whether it’s screaming, leaving the room, or ignoring instructions, students have developed a negative impression on teachers who are solely preforming their job. Let’s face it, attempting to teach new material to students who find the subject consisting of no practical purpose while making the topic interesting is a recipe for disaster that only a few master. Also, many students who enter the classroom just have the priority of receiving the highest grade possible with the least amount of work (Generalization.. but at least from my school). I would go on, but I literally have work in 15 minutes, so to sum this up, teachers should not be represented by the actions of a few, but by the many. Teachers receive low pay, yet spend hundreds hours committing their lives to new students who ALL have their own separate lives. Teachers deserve more credit than this.

  • Rondo

    You know I learned something here. I think I would have failed the teacher. I really don’t think that Little Rock Arkansas has a governor. I thought the governor governed the state and not a city or town. But I could be wrong. Just saying…………..

  • DrJKH

    Yeah, I was told I’m “not college material” because I “march to the beat of my own drum” by more than one small minded, arrogant teacher/professor. I’m a doctor now. And they probably think they made me. Nope, I made myself DESPITE them.

    By the way, in response to the one about taking notes: Taking ANY notes is the wrong thing to do. You can’t pay attention if you take notes. And for those afraid, I didn’t take notes all through undergrad, grad school, and medical school. It works better. That’s why you have a textbook.

  • Craig Hansen

    Teachers. “The underpaid saints” of the liberals.

  • http://campaigngeneration.com iconicles

    I ended up dropping out because these types of things happened to me as well. Bad teachers ruin lives.

  • Skyrunner01

    Common Core

  • Screwtheliberals

    Reading “to” well? Oh well guess that’s OK in the third grade. ;-)
    Nice post.

  • Robin

    My youngest child is the most recent high school graduate. She has siblings that are 15 – 21 years older than her. She graduated last year and we never had anything like this happen. She was in AP classes and TAG (talented and gifted), she was never discouraged from learning or using what she had learned. Her favorite subjects were Math and Science, she was great with Algebra, trig and she got in some calculus too. I would have been furious if something like that had happened to her. What part of the country did these things happen in? Are they from all over or just particular states? As a parent I would have made sure that this was known to the other parents and the administration. I cannot fathom a teacher holding a student back that had been so eager to learn or to have learned so much.

  • KillCOmmonCore

    Might embarass the niqqers who can’t keep up.

  • Lass

    I’m a teacher and I’m going to go out on a limb here and propose that the first scenario could only be the handwriting of a first grade boy (Aiden) if he started school at 7 and was held back a grade level. Developmentally, boys do not have the motor skills to pull off such clear cursive handwriting at 6. The other scenarios are equally contrived. While there are bad teachers, believe me, there are far more bad students and behind many bad students are parents who up hold them in every misdeed. Many students go through phases of “feeling their oats.” Most level out. Sometimes difficulties are contributed to “personality conflicts” with teachers and sometimes they are reflections of what is going on in the child’s family life. Other times misbehavior is attention seeking or motivated by peers or even family members who have themselves been unsuccessful students. It hurts me that parents really believe teachers deliberately hold students back academically. I can tell you we make many mistakes, as do parents, and unfortunately most of them only become clear too late. However, every parent I’ve ever known who believed at 6 or 7 or even 14 or 15 that their child was genius material or a perfect angel, found out differently by the completely unremarkable career paths of their children or the multiple scrapes with authorities they had to see them through. Look at your family tree. There is a good chance there are a lot of clues lurking there that will tell you if you’re raising a genius. If you are, you and your child are going to experience a whole new subset of academic difficulties. Good luck!

  • AaronSwain

    Is no one going to point out that this first grader has better handwriting than a lot of us?

    On a serious note, I am thankful to have had fine teachers all through my public school education.

  • Sipstate

    This just reads like a chain letter that needs to be sent 99 times or else Obama will end home schooling in America.

  • rphunter

    Sometimes the more intelligent students do suffer from not going along with the crowd, but at least it is something we can use later in life. Teachers who seek to impede the learning process need to turn to other things to do in their lives. I was always encouraged to satisfy my quest for knowledge, and to read everything I could get. Still do that.

  • @SarcasticSloth

    Nobody writes in cursive past the 3rd grade.

    Also everything about this image is fake, from the “grade” to the fake Tumblr styled responses.

  • utweezie

    Next time you write an article criticizing teachers and the education system, you should probably try to use the correct version of “too” in the second sentence. Doesn’t exactly make you seem as intelligent as you say or give your statements a lot of credibility.

    • God20fearing12patriot

      It must be irritating to be so perfect and find flaws in everything.

      • utweezie

        Those people are irritating. Not sure what that has to do with my comment though. Just saying that for all the advanced lessons, you would have thought proofreading would be one of them.

  • http://charlesstricklin.com/ Charles Stricklin

    “…reading ‘to’ well”?! They didn’t teach grammar?

  • aliswell

    For those of you doubting any of this, let me share that in 2nd grade (a long time ago) we had shelf loads of books in the class, but unless you were in the approved Advanced Reading Circle you were only allowed to read the books on the lower shelves. I wasn’t in the Advanced Reading Circle, but each day during Quiet Time I read. Within months I’d read every single book on the permitted shelves, then began reading those on the advanced levels. Read through about a 3rd of them before someone ~ a fellow student ~ finally noticed and tattled.

    Our teacher immediately ordered me to put the book back and read only those on the lower levels. I explained I already had, at which point she first told me that wasn’t possible. I could see her mind racing, thinking back, as to when I might have read ALL those books, and right underneath her nose. I insisted again, and she shook her head and claimed I wasn’t ALLOWED to read the upper level books. I had to take a book I’d already read and go back to my desk.

    Thank God back then there was still a remnant of independent thinking among public school teachers. The next day she approached me, apologized and gave me permission to continue reading any book I desired. She also placed me in the ARC.

    Not sure a quiet, overlooked child would be so fortunate today. Seems like the government indoctrination centers truly detest independent thinkers, both children AND teachers.

    • brainy37

      Why weren’t you in the advanced reading circle already?

  • Darlene Vincent

    I missed the “woman’s response” that was “legendary”. Would someone point it out to me?

  • charlie Mcadams

    As a retired teacher at the high school level, I must remark that anyone who has this many problems with so many teachers,over so many years, must share some of the blame or the system has a terrible method of choosing teacher. this is over the top and self-serving.

  • Tom

    Seriously? One kid had so many teachers who shot him down? Or is this just a nice made up story to prove a point. I agree that this happens on a daily basis but no way all of this to one kid.

  • Former teacher

    I actually saw that first hand, when a school girl in the 4th grade i was tutoring, soon became too advanced for the class, and so we solved the rest of the course book without her waiting to learn it in class, and the teacher made her erase everything to the point where the rest of the class was standing :(

  • jj1982

    Cursive is being phased out so kids can’t read the constitution.

  • Christopher

    Every. Single. Teacher. I ever had. This is why I hate public schools, and why we home-schooled.

  • Jerry L

    My teacher failed me in high school senior English because I insisted on using books and references that I felt appropriate for a paper I was writing rather than the resources she TOLD me to use. I am 72 years of age, so it has been going on for years and years. I went to summer school, made up the course, went on to university and had a happy life in spite of the pedigogical perfidy.

  • Angela

    I wish this article actually SAID what the woman’s response was!!

  • Karli

    I’m sorry you experienced a public school district filled with discouraging teachers. I’m glad you had parents who encouraged your curiosities and nurtured your intelligence. But this is situational, and it leads to a mass over generalization. I am a young teacher and I see little to none of this in my district (and do this never)… Despite what the “system” is or isn’t forcing me to teach. By the way, in the five years I’ve been teaching, This sort of creativity and curiosity you possessed is virtually nonexistent in much of the student population; I welcome the opportunity to nurture such when it actually presents itself. Don’t forget that in any profession nowadays, a huge percentage of the working population is ineffective at the job they are doing. Please stop vilifying every teacher, and every system, in the nation.

  • Brandon Magoon
  • Gerry

    I was reading at a collegiate level in fourth grade. I had the highest A.R. (Accelerated Reader) points out of the whole school. My brother, who was in 10th grade, would bring home books he was required to read and I would destroy them and take the A.R. tests on them. My fourth grade teacher hated me and would never let me read the books I wanted to read in class. Kids would be reading magazines and wheres waldo books and I’d be reading something like the 5th Harry Potter book or the Lord of the Flies and she would yell at me and take my book away. She also publically humiliated me at times because she thought I would cheat on the A.R. tests so she made a new rule for only me that I would have to ask her to take an A.R. test and she would sit over me and make sure I wasn’t cheating, but since i could only take one with her watching, she would make excuses so that I wouldn’t be able to take any until a few weeks after I read the book so I forgot some of the things that would be on the test so it actually looked like I was cheating before. I told my parents and they did not believe me until a few years later when they asked my friends parents and they told them that i was telling the truth.

  • samantha

    Not all teachers are like this. My mom is a middle school math teacher for special ed and she not only allows the students to do it the way they want as long as they get the answer correct but also takes time to learn from the students.

  • Johnny

    I barely remember this being so young, but all the way through 3rd grade, my parents were constantly called out by my teachers because my teachers thought my parents were doing my assignments. My mom is a English teacher and my dad has always been very well read. They said I went home and asked them “how can I sound less smart”. Crazy to think about . Wasn’t until thy tested me at a 9th grade reading level that they actually believed I was as intelligent as my work indicated.

  • Fred P!

    Reason # 6,528 we homeschool our kids.

  • Ron Cre

    These teachers would be standing before the board and answering for these.

  • EnforcerNave

    Next time, please edit your story before posting it. Multiple mistakes are clearly easy to find from people like me who read this.

  • Aussie Battler

    ‘MURICA!

  • Michele Szczuplak

    …And then we wonder why our children are so far behind academically compared to other countries…SMH

  • Peter E

    Something is wrong here – this woman claims to have read Harry Potter when she was in 1st grade and now she has a son that’s in 1st grade. Do the math people! Another one of these phony stories to make a point.

  • Sam Lyons

    I stopped reading when she said “my third grade teacher told my mom I was reading to well”. She didn’t say spell too well.

  • Nana

    I’m sorry some people had this experience, but I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER been told by a teacher that I was doing “too well.” In fact, I was praised for being smart, put into upper level classes, and pushed to do my best. They told me, I could do anything if I put my mind to it, and encouraged to excel further if I wanted to. If they didn’t have the materials for me, they found someone who did. My creativity was only ever stifled if I was disrupting class (ie: disturbing the other students). Yeah, I had some crappy teachers, but I was never told to stop learning. If anything, I was taught to explore the world and learn all I could while I had the chance. Sure America’s schooling system isn’t the best, but this is not a common experience where I went to school. (and I moved to 3 different districts over the 13 years)

  • german girl

    I am, are You FM505? Certain as can be.

  • Nina

    I had some discouraging teachers in my life who failed me, and even a dean. One day in junior high school my friend was being bullied by six girls who thought it was a great idea to throw things at her. The teacher stood by and did nothing, so I removed my friend from class to get the dean. Who got in trouble? My bullied friend and me. But I did have a great teacher in my life, my Kindergarten teacher, who noticed I was reading at a second grade level, and did not want me to be bored during reading time, so she had it arranged that I would go to a second grade class during reading period. She always encouraged and supported my love for learning, and I think it is sad that she set me up with such a great foundation which only became destroyed by my junior high and high school teachers, who seemed to only fall into teaching because they didn’t know what else to do with their lives.

    I want to say that now as an adult, I am friends with some marvelous teachers who remind me of my kindergarten teacher. So it’s not every single to teacher who fails the students. But unfortunately, it is a great deal of them.

  • Linda Emler

    Children are not made with cookie cutters they school systems needs to stop treating them like they are as long as they gain the knowledge and pass there test what difference does it make how they did they work stop putting them in little boxes they don’t fit

  • anthony

    My 1st grade teacher said that since I excelled above the other students in every subject I should have been placed in 4th grade the next year instead of starting 2nd. My father declined and told them that he didn’t want me to be bullied for being “too smart”

    I took this to heart and from then on started recieving bad grades because I didn’t try on homework or classwork, but would do well on tests.

    by 12th grade I was sleeping in my English class, skipping History and PE every day to go to choir for a 3rd and 4th time (I already had two periods of it) and relaxing in Drama doing the bare minimum.

    Despite the fact I didn’t put a single ounce of effort into school as some people will tell you is the only way to pass, I graduated with a 2.7 GPA.

    The American educational system is fraudulent, I hear stories like this all the time from varying parts of the world. Of course theres that one teacher who cares about their students, but most of them are only there to work, rather than to teach.

    My 10th-12th grade US/World History and Government teacher would actually sell school related things, like a sponge, or a stamp, or a sticker, or a washrag with the schools mascot on it to get extra credit. I once bought a washrag for 10$ and recieved 10% for my semester grade.

    One of the few teachers I had that cared about his students was my 12th grade English teacher, I would always chat with him about his day, and I once convinced him to give me a B on an essay instead of a D because the last sentence of it had such a deep and powerful meaning behind it. I forget what it was but apparently it was good enough to merit my grade being raised 20%. I slept through his class for the most part though, and at the end of the year came our schools final, I finished it in 10 minutes and fell asleep for the next 1:30. At the end of the class he woke me up (Everyone else had already left) He asked me if I cheated, and I told him I didn’t wondering why. It turned out I got a 98%, also the highest grade of all of his students on that final.

    I told my senior PE teacher to his face that I failed freshman year for a reason (Which is why I did the remedial course senior year) and that it would happen again most likely, which is why he excused me to go to choir every day.

    School though, while not worth the time of most, is sadly key in defining your future, though I wished they wouldve taught me rather than let me sleep and skip everything.

  • Bethany Schoonover

    My History teacher took off two points of my otherwise perfect paper simply because I used the word “plight” instead of “fight.” When I argued that “plight” was in fact the word I meant to use, he got angry and told me that no sixteen year-old used words such as that.

    My English teacher constantly checks my papers and homework to “ensure that I’m not cheating” because she “doesn’t believe teenagers use words like that.” In just about everything I do in her class (I have three a day with her because I’m taking two years at once and have a public speaking class,) she constantly obsesses over making sure I’m not cheating because I get constant good grades.

    My Math teacher repeatedly accuses me of cheating on my math tests because I receive 100 or some score that is very close, and he doesn’t believe someone could be that good.

    I was even recently asked if I somehow cheated on the essay part of the regents, because I got a perfect score on both essays.

    I think I liked being homeschooled more, because at least there I could be interested in learning more advanced stuff without someone saying it was “wrong.”

  • The Masked Menace

    Yup, that’s new age education for you. Don’t raise the bar, just keep lowering it.

    When I was in school, I never felt much need to put in much effort, either. The work presented to us was so rudimentary and unchallenging, that there simply was no reason to do it. I slept through and/or skipped classes and aced the tests with an average score above 90%. I spent more time learning on my own than from the “teachers.”

    I was truly disgusted that the unionist teachers spent more time trying to brainwash students with their left wing politics, instead doing what they were hired to do… EDUCATE. This happened frequently in grade 11 and grade 12 classes, and eventually, it got to the point when I would have to scold the teacher and walk out.
    Teachers today are only interested in getting paid, and collecting pension in return for services not rendered. We need teachers who are engaging and passionate about educating. From kindergarten through grade 12, I have only ever had three teachers that truly loved teaching. One who openly violated a teacher strike to come to class, even if we didn’t. There needs to be more like that.

  • John Redman

    Poignant.

  • IBleedBlue

    My middle school daughter came home recently saying she felt bad for not speaking out as her history teacher waxed eloquently about Abraham Lincoln being the “greatest POTUS we have seen and probably will ever see” because he freed the slaves.

    I told her to fight the battles worth fighting. It’s the teacher’s classroom but the playground or the lunch table was another story. She could enlighten her classmates there without the scrutiny of politically correct academia censuring her. She tried the tactic over the next few weeks and she said a few, not all, actually went home and started to dig for themselves.

    I gave her a high five and told her “mission accomplished!”

    One student at a time, we can take back our schools.

  • Joe Pfeiffer

    catholic schools rock

  • Jason Roberts

    This lady probably suffers from Fibromyalgia too. This sob story reeks of it. Boo hoo…

  • Heather

    I never got treated that way in school but I can see that happening now.

  • Mango

    This is where you have to be a mama grizzly (or papa) when it comes to your kids’ educations. Too many people just dump their kids off in the morning and collect them again at night and think that the school is responsible for raising them. Wrong. You have to be your kids’ best advocate and don’t just expect every teacher or administrator to do it for you. But in defense of the system, I went to public school and I can say that when I excelled, I never got beat down by any one of my teachers. I was encouraged and praised, which only made me want to continue being better than the rest. Of course that was before Common Core…

  • KeepOnHatinCrackas

    That exact one of the 8th grade algebra teacher fits me perfect I went through that myself mostly all of them

  • Prescott

    First, I find it difficult to think that there is a person old enough to have a child in the first grade who could have read “Harry Potter” when SHE was in the first grade. Those books have not been around that long. I smell a rat.

    Secondly, the teacher would have said you were reading “too” well, not “to well,” as you wrote.

    I know there are a lot of problems in the public schools today, but this whole thing is made up. Too many holes, discrepancies, and continuity errors. Try again.

  • purpleroses03

    My daughter is 13 years old and a sophomore in hs. She skipped 3 grades, lost one because of a move to a new district and it has not been until this year when she transferred to a New district that she has been encouraged to excel. She is doing a behavioral science fair project studying socialization difficulties with students who have skipped grades and the sad thing among all of the respondents to her surgery is that they felt more bullied by teachers and administration than by students. We have got to stop this!! High functioning students needs just as much care and encouragement as low functioning students. In my experience most teachers either feel threatened by extremely intelligent students or they feel like they don’t need to bother with them because they know the material so why teach them. This causes these students to feel ostracized and to stop participating. This is research that she plans to expand so maybe she can turn her experiences into something that can change the way we treat our exceptional students.

  • Croatan fan

    Don’t you just hate it when somebody Parrots something they heard and can’t keep the thought aligned with their mouth.

    Abe Lincoln was Self educated mostly he taught himself

    I tell kids the state you reside in is responsible to operate a school, your parents are responsible to keep you in school but you are responsible for learning when the education opportunity is laid in your lap. A teacher told me that they could teach me all I needed to teach and educate myself by the third grade. In a nut shell you can tie a thirsty horse to the bumper of your truck and drag him into the river but you can’t make him drink. So it is with learning and becoming educated. Yes the standards of schools have been lowered but you can still become educated if you use your own initiative. I.E. Pull yourself up by your own boot straps. Abe Lincoln did.

    PS some people who teach school are Kooks. Prove them wrong, not agree with them by giving up

  • thebraownguy

    Sounds like right wing left wing propaganda …

  • kady772

    I have my doubts about her reading “to well” in 3rd grade….

  • mmbrod02

    I’m a teacher and have a very hard time believing you had all these negative experiences due to you being more advanced. I can believe maybe one of these experiences, but there is no way that you had so many teachers like this.

  • rhelob

    Dumbing down.

  • Sally

    In the very first paragraph this person claims the teacher thought he was reading “to well”. I am assuming that he was reading aloud to a well of some sort, or else he would have been reading “too well”.
    It’s hard to take the rest of the story seriously after that mistake. The difference between to, too, and two is something that I learned long before third grade.

  • Flutter

    I don’t believe this is true. Sorry.

  • Timothy Wenners

    Expecting Government to teach you to be a real independent, critical minded person ?

    There is the fallacy.

    The state is not your friend.

  • Jay

    I found this article hard to believe. As an educator of 37 years I helped shape well rounded, positive, respectful young people, many of whom I am still in contact with. Along, with that came the “freedom” to think and make their own choices.
    Of course there may be a bad teacher, just as there are bad doctors, bad lawyers, and certainly bad politicians in all parties. We must all have an open mind!

  • John Best

    Teachers are told to make kids ” even”. That includes ” dumbing down” hard chargers.

  • Brenda Morales

    I would not do this to any of my students. We should be celebrating nay talent our kids have. The cursive writing thing happened to me when I was in 2nd grade. My mom taught me early how to write my name, and my teacher told me to print. Why squash someone’s ability?

  • Kelly Coats

    As a teacher, I think it is important for parents to communicate with the teacher when they are happy with the teaching, and not so happy. The only thing I would ask is that the parents go through the proper channels. Teacher, Department Head, Assistant Principal, Principal, Assistant Superintendent, Superintendent, School Board. 9 times out or 10, the problem can be solved with the teacher, but when parents go over the heads of many, they have lost credibility and the ability to continue the conversation with the teacher at other times as well. So by all means, let your thoughts be known, but taking it through the proper channels will make a world of difference at that moment, and for future conversations.

    • Common Man

      Yes, there are monolithic machinery systems in place for comments against the system. Discontent with Mediocrity will not be allowed.

  • Heretic

    “My third grade teacher actually had a conversation with my mom that I was reading to well…”. I think that both you and your teacher were mistaken.

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  • Bill Peters

    None of this would have happened to you if you had been white.

  • James P

    I had a similar experience many years ago in 8th grade because we were asked to do a report on the circulatory system. I was grilled by my teacher because I put in the report that bone marrow makes new blood cells for the body and she had not taught that in her class. I told her I read the information in the Biography of Dr. Walter Reed, which I had read a few weeks prior. she swore I was lying and I had gotten help from an adult until I went to the school librarian and had her pull my Library card to show I had checked the book out..

  • Regan LL.M

    You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with…A Herring!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DopGxUAoAY

  • pgx2

    There are good and bad doctors. There are good and bad lawyers. There are good and bad cashiers. There are good and bad custodians. There are good and bad policemen. There are good and bad homemakers. There are good and bad politicians. My question is, why must there be no margin for mistakes among teachers? A bad doctor can kill you. A bad lawyer can cost you your freedom. A bad cashier can cheat you. I could go on making a long list of examples. I have been a public school teacher for 25 years. Teaching is HARD WORK! We cannot choose our clients. We cannot control the conditions under which we work. We don’t make the rules, but we have to follow them. NON educators legislate many of the policies we enforce. I challenge ANYONE to teach my class for a week. I don’t mean babysit my classes, I mean teach them … following all policies, rules, and the curriculum. After you have successfully taught my classes for a week without ANY missteps or lapses in judgement, come tell me about teachers.

  • Rachel Irene Renee Wright

    I never took a single high school class and still, I make straight A’s in all of my classes. Hmmm? Just think about it.

  • Common Man

    Drink the Education Kool-Aid and keep silent.

    In 1955 America was #1 in Science and Math in the industrialized world.

    Since that time countless “New” methodologies of teaching Math, English, and Science have taken hold in America. Common Core is the latest “Educational Fad” to hit “Mainstream” educators.

    In 2013 America was #32 in Science and Math in the industrialized world.

    Hum, maybe those “Old Fashioned” ways of teaching really did work after all.

  • Jon McCullough

    Not all teachers and schools do this. Please don’t put our teachers in a box. Our teachers are being persecuted by the system that is being destroyed by the re-gressives and then further attacked by conservatives whom don’t look at this from the larger perspective.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hellothisisallie Allie Shomo

    What people in this conversation need to remember is that not ALL teachers cause problems and not ALL teachers do this like this. I am a teacher and have many friends who are also teaching. We applaud students who do things differently. We also applaud students who excel and parents who get them there regardless of where the remainder of our classes are in the subject area. I apologize that you had issues like this with teachers before, but not ALL teachers are that way. Focus on the good teachers you have. There are a lot of good teachers out there who trump the bad ones.

  • Shelly Gage

    My fourth-grade teacher tried to write me up for using a “bad” word on the playground. My mother had to bring in a dictionary to show her that “fickle” is not a bad word, but was in fact an accurate description of the girl I was speaking to.

  • McHale72

    “I was reading to well…” Pitiful considering an adult wrote it. Know the difference between to, too, and two before trying to sound smart.

  • Tina Hollenbeck

    There is a solution: Get out! Yes, institutional school is simply a means by which to keep kids in line and silent…and to churn them all out on the assembly line as docile, compliant worker drones. That’s the reason it was started and that’s been the goal all along. Creative, innovative thinking has always been done by those independently educated – what we call homeschooling these days. Most people really could homeschool. If they have a will to do what’s best for their children, they find a way. And if enough of us do this, the system will collapse and die – as it should.

  • vbibliowic

    Reading to well? This is exactly the kind of thing seen constantly from public school kids. They don’t know the difference between to and too, or there, their, and they’re. They certainly don’t know the difference between possessive and plural, and often tend to write everything as possessive. I am lazy, so my kids went to private school, but I really believe a dedicated parent doing home school is the best solution. Of course, only if they first educate themselves on the basics of our language.

  • bullamakanka

    I grew up in Australia (1970s), and in our little outback school I was well ahead of the curve. A new teacher started when I was in 5th grade, and he had his own set of World Book Encyclopedias. He allowed me to take them home, and I read them cover to cover. One day he met my dad and they got talking about politics. The teacher mentioned this one kid in his class who is brilliant, a sponge for information. Dad said “yeah, that’s my son.” The teacher was aghast. “How can he be your son? You’re just … a commoner, a truck-driver…” I wasn’t allowed to borrow the books after that.

  • Jam

    Devil’s advocate here, without seeing the directions or exactly what the student was asked to of here could have contributed to some of these. Any chance the student simply didn’t follow directions?

  • Mrs. G.

    Since you are so brilliant (yes, I am being sarcastic), you should know that condemning every teacher in every school in America (“The American school system”-your words) are bigoted words. I’m sorry that you have had such negative experiences. Please do not assign your negativity to myself or my colleagues. Educate yourself to what is happening in the American school system that is positive. I could give you numerous examples, but it sounds like you have closed your mind to hear them. I am sad that this is what you learned in school.

  • Chic Magnet Bailey

    THIS SAYS IT ALL !!!! http://youtu.be/RdgzBNh6kEM SHOCKING!

  • Ann A. Jones

    Obviously, you missed a few items in grammar, but I understand what you are saying. My dad was an engineer also, and I learned to do math in my head and had shortcuts for learning about everything. My son was punished for being too far ahead of his classmates, and for seeing through the hypocrisy of the teachers. Get your grades at school, but your education at home. Teach our kids to stand up and argue with foolish teachers, too.

  • Kevin H Fox

    All good reasons to home school perhaps if enough families educate their children themselves they’ll put in a system that works.

  • Nancy Baker

    Current American public schools were mostly designed along the so-called “factory model”, patterned after Henry Ford’s assembly line. The overall goal was to provide the majority of students with the basic skills needed to hold assembly line jobs…not to excel. At one time, private tutors were hired (where families could afford them) and/or ministers and priests stepped up to tutor kids in poorer families if they showed “promise”. Grade levels, requirements to move to the next grade etc. were mostly devised to manage the student population, not necessarily to benefit students. At least that is what I was taught in college education classes back in the 1970’s From the sound of this post, though, the main difference appears to be too many current teachers who actually believe that conformity and “teaching to the average” is best. If I remember correctly, most of my fellow students were absolutely appalled at this idea and repeatedly challenged the professor(s) over it. Of course, we were also marching in the streets and challenging the status quo just about everywhere.

  • Mary Yancey Kelbell

    I never once had a teacher tell me I was learning too much ahead or too fast. They loved me as a fast learner, and let me help other students (which helped develop social skill for a shy student.)

  • Vicky

    My 9th grade Algebra teacher recognized something in me and gave me my own board. He would take time to teach me all the “shortcuts’, fun tricks and advanced stuff. He took my tests (always 100% or better) out of the curve and encouraged me to help others because he knew something clicked differently so maybe I could explain it differently. For every teacher that has low self-esteem, there’s another that loves seeing kids succeed.

  • Iris Hebert

    I was blessed with awesome teachers. I had a few mediocre teachers, but the majority were excellent. I belive I had some of the very best teachers. Goose Creek School District. 1970-1983

  • sammie

    I was told my son was to well behaved and dicouraged other kids to not break the rules. That was 1st grade. That was a bad thing, he needed to “relax” and fit in with the other kids. Omg when he turned 16 all the goodie goodie went right out of him faster than I could blink!

  • Lora

    I have never done math like everyone else but I always get the correct answer and faster than most. We are not all wired the same way.

  • Peggy Mooney Dobrzynski

    I had some very good teachers, but I also had bad ones that were bullies.Some of the biggest bullies on the planet are mean teachers.

  • Rachel S.

    Kinda sounds like my husband’s job. All the slackers get promotions and my husband doesn’t even though he excells at what he does.

  • Jeff McMullen

    Schools are nothing but Marxist indoctrination centers. Home school or private school for the good of your children. If we spent half the resources on gifted children that we do on slow learners, America would be much further along than it is.

  • mdinaz

    My 1st grade daughter also writes cursive. You go girl!

  • Marleydude

    Everyone is to be equally dumb!

  • Science teacher

    I have taught 8th grade physical science for 16 years in a public school and I have had my 3 stepsons and son go to public school. When I was dissatisfied with what the teacher was doing with my sons, I went and talked them about it and if needed i supplemented at home. If the teacher did show respect for my sons then I talked to them about it and if that didn’t work then went up the chain of command. Also I have worked with wonderful teachers who come early (in many cases a minimum of 1 hour) and stay late to prepare for their classes as well as be there to help students. If you are a bad teacher tenure does not prevent you from being fired, it only means that there is a procedure that must be done with evidence that the teacher is not competent (just like in the private sector). I will be honest – I have burnt out and am changing careers because if I can put my whole heart into it then it is time for me to step down because I care about my students education. What was frustrating was never the student who was advanced (as long as they were willing to be challenged and not expect to get special treatment and slide through class) but the student that does not show respect for their teachers and fellow students. I got tired of dealing with students who think it was ok to back talk and parents making excuses for them. Sorry for the length, just wanted to state my opinion.

  • Behning Brad

    Ignorance equality is here. We are well on our way to socialism.

  • Xena Horvath

    Back when I was a junior in high school, I was having a lot of family problems and could not tell my parents about what was happening in my math class. My teacher kept failing me just because I showed all my work?? Anyway, the 2nd semester we got a new teacher and she had gone over my old tests and quizzes on her own and she realized that I was doing math at a college sophomore level. By that point I felt let down, not only by family, but the school as well and ended up dropping out because I just couldn’t handle it anymore.

  • mamabee

    I home schooled my son, but had to put him in public school for a few months in 3rd grade. His teacher said he was not allowed to write in cursive because the other kids didn’t know it. She then told another parent in front of him that he was slow because he was home schooled (I guess she forgot that he was ahead of the rest). From then on, he thought he was stupid and had a hard time in school until I pulled him back out and was able to home school him again. Thank God he was able to see himself for who he really is!

  • Trevor

    American became great because of Individualism. This is a direct attack on that. Part of the Globalist and Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America, with Collectivism.

  • marssnw

    Liberals war on Children

  • Roy Haeger

    I’m guessing that most of this is baloney…

  • londocraig

    This, is the same crap ,that I went through, with my children! Their father and I, did everything we could, to make sure, that they, were able to excel, in school! I constantly had to fight, with the system, to make sure that my children, were not, de -educated! Even my oldest ,at college, had to fight, for her fair grade! The teachers didn’t think , she was as smart ,as she is!

  • Tatters

    You DO realize that the grammatically incorrect use of “to” for “too” is used in the second paragraph? That sort of error, in an article defending how “advanced” someone is academically negated every word I read afterwards. Sorry.

  • Doofus

    Apparently she wasn’t reading “to” well in third grade.

  • WhatThe?!?

    I had a teacher give me a C on an essay because she did not think I wrote it and accused my parents of writing it. At the time, I had not seen my parents in several weeks as I was living on my grandparents farm helping take care of the farm and my grandfather who had Alzheimer’s. Two years before, she had done the same thing to my brother. Several years later, I seen her waiting tables in a bar.

  • James M Morriss

    The current education system seems to be here to keep a bunch of sterile, unfruitful minds that don’t give a damn about what, or if, you learn, as long as you can recite the party line. That and that you CANNOT POSSIBLY have an independent thought.

  • Maggie Scheck Geene

    From kindergarten through third grade I was allowed to move up a grade in reading because I was too advanced for the grade I was in. The entire school was great about it. Fourth -Sixth grade I was allowed to read whatever I wanted aong with the assigned reading for the class. I read Steinbeck and Pearl Buck in elementary school. Not all kids have bad experiences.

  • Mary

    Political Correctness is killing our schools and country.

  • Les Mcc

    what was the woman’s response?

  • Sean

    This is what the story of the Tower of Babel is all about, becoming bricks. If you have not hear of the story check out the explination that Glen Beck got from a Rabbi.

  • Ralph G. Barkley

    I went to school in a small town in Oregon during the late 40’s and 50’s, to make a long story short, we were taught to think for ourselves. We had penmanship one hour a week from the third grade through the 8th.

  • volkerball85

    And yet when anyone attempts to change it, the move is decried as Socialism or Indoctrination or whatever else. I’m not singling out either side in this, because both sides do it, and it’s getting old.

  • Deborah Mirise

    I think this is bs. I might have believed it if it was one or two teachers, but every year? BS.

  • Grace

    Good gracious. When students first learn cursive, it takes a lot of time. In fact, some students take so long forming the letters, they often lose sight of the task. For example, if students are responding in paragraph form. I often have students write in cursive on specific tasks, allowing for cursive practice, but not frustrating them. No hidden agenda. Wait for third grade , little first grader, so you are not frustrated in finishing tasks.

  • Sharyn Rothgarn

    First of all, education is not run by teachers. It is run by money and by individuals who call themselves educators but are not in the classroom. They determine curriculum and materials. Secondly, for those who complain about tenure: it is like management in any other “business”. Poor teachers aren’t good teachers who become poor teachers. Management has 3 years and 1 day, to make the decision to give them tenure. Management should be in the classroom of new teachers to help, teach, and to dismiss them if they are not improving==prior to that three years and 1 day. But are they? No,n
    ot in most cases. In fact, “management” is supposed to assess ALL teachers, even tenured ones, every year. FYI–the last prinicipal I had prior to retirement didn’t evaluate my performance even once! He would come to talk to me and to ask my opinion, but did not write up evaluations. In many districts, principalships are given as prizes rather than a position earned for knowledge and performance. So, I guess that’s kinda like business, too–even though individuals in business will deny it. Squeaking wheels, you know!

  • Cody

    Good thing I’m in the school district that I’m in, we have 7th and 8th graders in 10th grade classes

  • Art Bowshier

    too well — not — to well– in the 3rd grade missive. By the way you talk, You may be a bit .self righteous and overbearing. Not to mention that you were not actually held down or back, it challenged you. You are so much better than your peers and teacher that you brag about it.

  • Mark D. Sawyer

    Get rid of the NEA and teachers’ unions. The unions set the standard of incompetence by protecting the worst teachers with tenure. Protect and educate our children. Teachers pay averages just over $36,000.00 while the union leadership averages over $120,000.00. The union is made up of a bunch of empty suits whose only concern in preserving their own power and position sucking their fat salaries out of union dues paid by members and imposing their politics on the members and students. Stop tenure, stop the NEA.

  • Terri

    Preach it!!

  • james

    Department of Education should be abolished and the states and local school districts go back to teaching our children,prior to the creation of the dept. of education in 1979 we were first in education,now we are so fall down the list we don’t even get a rating.

  • EssentialOhsawa

    Wow. Yeah public Government State run schools are all about dumbing down the young up and coming population. Its all about prisoner training. Listened to the whole Freeway Rick Ross Alex Jones interview, he talks about that. Thug culture is a government psyop pushed by the music and Hollywood industry meant to land young adults in the prisons for profit institutions. Once there they got factories where one can make 25 cents an hour. 50 cents a minute to make a phone call to ones family members though.

  • Ayr

    My second grade teacher would tear up my completed homework assignments and throw them away, then take blank worksheets and stuff them into the back of my desk. This all started after I corrected her on her spelling of ‘chronicle’ in front of the class. She truly believe I should not have been able to spell the word or know its definition because I am from West Virginia. She also tried to convince my parents that I couldn’t read, I was reading on a fifth grade level at home because my older brother taught me to read before I reached the first grade. My parents complained and nothing was done by the administration and this was back in the 90’s. Don’t even get me started on my high school teachers. Public schools are the worst, there are more lazy and self important teachers than there are good teachers who actually teach. More often than not, the ‘teacher’ does not even have a degree in the subject they are teaching, or they are coaches for some sport and have to teach something to stay on the school staff. Like my Spanish II teacher, he didn’t know any Spanish yet he was teaching it, he was the girls soccer coach. Again my parents complaints fell upon deaf ears, schools do not care about academics anymore, they only care about sports.

  • JJ Bedard

    You are obviously not a people person.
    Because you are only giving your biased memory of each story… your point is completely invalid. You have opinions, not documented facts.
    I think it is much more likely that you went out of your way to piss teachers off knowing that they did not appreciate you distracting the rest of the class. I think it is much more likely that these discussions and failings were the result of multiple, previous conversations. Because you think you know better than everyone else, and this is just speculation now, probably have an arrogant tone in all your classes, these are the culminayion of you being trouble maker. If your boss tells you to do something, and you go off and do it a different way to intentionally show your boss that you know better than them, eventually they will fire you too.

    If you have a problem with the education system, go to school and become a teacher. Better yet, teach the teachers how to teacher the the teachers that teach the teachers how to teach.

  • Jason

    I guess I don’t understand how such a genius was constantly ridiculed and harassed by so many different teachers at so many different schools. That seems either bizarre or made up.

  • Robert Craddock

    Ever since Jimmy Carter nationalized the education system American education has been declining. Yet another example of how Democrats have ruined America.

  • Jerry Miller

    I put mine in private .Mine is in second now . I taught her cursive while in first.Her 2nd grade teacher is amazed how far ahead she is. Because of me working with her since she was 2 . She LOVES school.

  • http://uncensored.citadel.org/ IGnatius T Foobar

    The public schools exist for indoctrination, not education.

  • Fred Marsico

    I wanted to comment on Common Core and how education has been robbed by those who want to indoctrinate. As I read down through the various comments it occurred to me that most people really don’t get the problem.

    So I offer this post to support the clarification of what education is in American public schools. I support charter schools and home schooling.

    http://fixamerica-fredmars.blogspot.com/2013/01/teach-your-children-well.html

  • shatto

    ….
    Interesting, indeed, that the long-winded first-person essay
    is uncredited and unsigned.
    But having experienced a teacher being wrong and having to
    prove him so, I expect the article is true enough.

  • guber

    This is not about “the American school system” this is about weak-minded authoritarian female teachers who are all that is left to teach our children, everywhere. This authoritarian idiocy is spreading like a virus in all western countries, feminism, leftism, fascism.

  • toocoldinwa

    Just because the teacher isn’t smarter than a 5th grader doesn’t give him/her the right to be mean to the student.

  • Amanda Thompson Jones

    “My mom actually had a conversation with my 3rd grade teacher that I was reading to well….” How about some proof reading? I know it’s a tiny mistake, but if the whole point of the article is meant to highlight the brilliance of this kid…..

  • Mike B1004

    If you take the time and are a part of your childs education, they can get a good education in the public school system. You must interact with the teachers in a positive manner. All of my childrens teachers knew me personally. I made it a point to talk to each one and spend the time discussing the education process. Some were using teaching methods dictated to them by the system. Others would teach the “book” method and then alternate methods. Take the time to talk to the teachers and find out why they are teaching things the way they are. Sometimes it is a matter of what they are being directed to do. Offer to volunteer in classes if you have the time. Most teachers are doing the best they can within the constraints of the system. Of course, there are a few that aren’t the best educators and have given up. But they are really the minority. Remember, they are only tasked with teaching the information, not to discipline your child or teach them respect. That is our job as parents! Have a great day!!

  • lovebobbi

    I homeschooled my son. I had a teacher call me selfish for doing so because it isn’t fair to all the other kids when a few kids get special advantages!!!!! LOL! Amazing.

  • shay

    Here’s an idea! If its legislature deciding our children’s curriculum and what our teachers are and aren’t allowed to teach, why don’t we all just pull every single child out of school and teach them at home? Then there would be no reason for any of us to complain anymore. I’m sorry but my adopted mother was an elementary Jr high and high school teacher in every subject and she never shot a single student down due to the way they did their homework. She was one of the finest teachers you’d ever met for nearly 30 years. Tenure has nothing to do with it in our school.

  • Diane

    My son was a wrestler. He and another boy were wrestling for 1st and 2nd place. It was a close match, but the other boy barely won. The boys hugged and patted each other on the back. His coach yelled at him “He beats you and you pat him on the back!” My son told the coach “He’s my opponent, not my enemy”.

  • n_djinn

    This is my oldest. His first grade teacher would not allow him to use cursive and sent notes home to that effect. We (wife and I) laid into the incompetent lazy teacher.

  • Charity

    What “woman’s response?” it’s stupid to make up headlines just for views.

    I homeschool my son because of teachers like this. I will homeschool my daughter too when she’s old enough. I can’t stand the public school system. They don’t give a crap about the kids anymore, they want to dumb kids down and make everyone think school is about socializing. It’s NOT!

  • Amanda

    I don’t know what school your kids go to. But son’s first grade teacher tried to convince me to move my son to the second grade because he was smart. I said no. His second grade teacher has to give him extra work because he finishes it faster then other kids. He is seven and reads at a grade four level and they encourage him to keep it up. He can read a chapter book on his own. His teachers have been fantastic, so maybe you guys need to stop focusing on the bad and move your kids to a different class.

  • Tracy McClain

    It’s ‘too’ not ‘to’ in your second sentence. Looks like you need further educating…lol

  • Stephanie Brown Bowen

    One can never read ‘to’ well. It’s too.

  • yeaaaa…

    You don’t know the difference between “to” and “too” so perhaps you should have listened to your teachers just a bit more…

  • gompers

    If you were reading ‘to well’ in the third grade, you might have noticed that it should be ‘too well’.

  • Jacob Kerlin

    Thank goodness I went to private schools my entire life and actually got a real education.

  • Roxie

    Not all teachers are like that, my son learned to write his name in cursive in kindergarten and his teacher was so proud she was showing it off to all the other teachers :)

  • Aly

    It’s not the American Education System that is at fault. It’s the Teacher’s Union who insist on keeping horrible teachers rather than caring about helping out the good ones or about the children.

  • Joey

    This happened to me with my son in Wrestling. I was a fairly skilled wrestler and used many judo moves with success during my wrestling career. I started with Greco-Roman in grade school, through YMCA, then depending on circumstance, used it during HS. My coach encouraged it & several teammates had me show them moves.

    I taught these to my son and when he did a 3/4 throw on the varsity starter (putting him flat on his back) .. the coach stepped in a lifted my son off of the kid, saying it was “a dangerous move with no place in the sport.”

    He forbid my son from using any of the moves that he had learned, even though, each time he used them .. he would end up in a dominant position and win.

    Instinctively, he did a lateral drop in a tournament, winning his match 5-0 (would have pinned the kid, with more time). It was a very close match and that move made the difference.

    The coach pulled him from the tournament & banned me from attending any future matches. My son ended up quitting the team because of that pinhead.

  • Robert

    You guys do realize that most of these are made up and have no evidence. I get that there are some dumb teachers out there, but for all we know the original image itself could be fake. Baaaaa.

  • Lulu

    I find it ironic that this is on a conservative site. The reason schools are like this is because of the “No Child Left Behind” campaign, created by WHO? Yes, good old George W. Bush the savior himself.
    I found the article to be very true and sad. The point of NCLB is not to help your child excel, but to make sure those with learning disabilities are up to par, and those that are of higher intelligence around them be at that same level. No one is an individual, we are all the same.

  • George Colom

    The school system is so full of morons with a degree, it is just wonderfull to see so many idiots in one place, the sad part is we are entrusting our kids to these morons, and they are not worth the time, the paper, they are golrified garbage, with an ego, and small mind, I bet they get very lonely !!!!!

  • DJ

    Hard to take you seriously when the second sentence has the word “too” spelled wrong.

  • melmc13

    Cursive is actually more natural for children and should probably be taught first, as it was during the time of our Founding Fathers. They wrote in cursive first and learned manuscript later, leading to the beautiful handwriting we see on the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. If you look at the way that children first write (scribbling), it really makes no sense that we insist on teaching them manuscript first and then complain that they don’t write cursive well later. And, truly, though some are removing cursive from the classroom, cursive writing helps a different part of the brain than manuscript.

  • oberonkenobi

    My public school education was phenomenal. Our teachers worked on their own time to open our minds to new horizons. My drama teacher’s staged five shows every year and my chorus director introduced me to Mozart, Handel, Brahms, and many others who calm my soul on a stressful day. Some teachers bought books for me with their own money to expand knowledge only touched upon by my texts. You can whine about unions (hate that health care), tenure, and those outrageous salaries but I had dedicated hardworking teachers who loved seeing the light of understanding flash in the pupils of their pupils.

  • Tristan

    I am currently enrolled in a public school so I would say I have some knowledge about this sort of thing. In one of my classes, we are actually discussing the United States education system and how it is based on a 200 year old system. We are falling behind academically because they treat public school just like an Assembly line. Everyone should have a basic education. But besides that. We should be learning the way we want, as long as that pattern of learning does not make the situation worse. Example: When doing a math problem, there is usually multiple ways to solve an equation. Like in geometry, if students are more comfortable doing the problem a different way but getting the same answer in either the same time or shorter, then let them. There are a lot of good teachers out there. But some (which is over 75% of my teachers) are reluctant to let students carve their own way in THEIR education. Maybe it’s time the majority of teachers start listening to the students. It’s peoples right to question a system and try to make it better. Either in whole, or for them personally.

  • meli23

    had no idea you can have a 1st grader already if when Harry Potter came on the scene you were in 1st grade yourself

  • Ike D

    Which is why we have crap like Common Core (but not sense) “math”…

  • SeRiOuSLy!!??

    i agree with this story bases on my own experiences.

  • Joseph Groves

    These problems are way too common. I do have point out that the writer made a lot of spelling errors which has me questioning how true the back story is.

  • Dee

    Mrs. Shoemaker , my 2nd grade teacher, gave me an F for writing an entire assignment in cursive because she had not taught us to write the entire alphabet yet and sent me to the principal for a swat. ’80-’81.

  • Megan Hites

    I’m sorry, but this is a load of crap and completely untrue.
    No one that I have known has experienced even ONE of these problems.

    We were always encouraged to do short hand and think outside the box, and to read read read, learn “big” words, practice writing and arithmetic. I call BS on this story.

  • larah

    I dont believe that it is EVERY teacher. Some teachers really try and make kids understand and are proud when they are intelligent beyond their years. It’s the government that tells them what standards to teach by and what goal they have to reach. Some teachers are just control freaks and can’t stand it if a kid is extraordinary. So they shoot them down and make them fail thinking it’ll help. But all it does is makes kids rebel. If you have a child that’s getting picked on our punished by the school for no reason, speak up.

  • Shyanne Baty

    My first grade teacher sent me to the office numerous times for “coloring too slow” where I met my now best friend whom she’d sent with me for “reading too much”

  • Clover

    This is one of the reasons I’m going to be a teacher. This should not be happening!

  • Tim

    Your second paragraph you used the wrong “too”, oh wise one.

  • 2blue1pink

    He spelled “too” wrong in the second paragraph…I call b.s

  • GiJane

    My son was belittled by his 6th grade teacher. humiliated and demeaned to the extent of the child having to be hospitalized. He had the nerve to tell him, he was lazy and only capable of Below average work. Now that teacher is a principal of the school. and happy to say my son is an outstanding Baseball player and his recent report card: 4As and 3Bs.. below average my A$$!!

  • Surly Curmudgen

    Keep in mind that the average GPA of students entering teaching college is a C minus. Second grade teacher, MS Perkins, failed every boy in the class. I still hold the schools record of thirty one “F”s and one D minus. It was later, five years, determined that I had the highest IQ the school had seen in two decades. She was fired and her license to teach was stripped for her efforts. If she is still alive and sees this I still hope you die in sever pain you miserable pile of feculence.

  • cc

    Can anyone else see or find the “woman’s response is legendary” part of this article? All I see is a bunch of people adding in their own personal complaints.

  • SoBad

    Its called Teachers Unions. Protecting the bad intimidating the good. Get rid of the Unions and you gain more control.

  • mj1514148210

    I could’ve written about 1/4 of those comments myself. In 1st grade I was reading between a 3rd and 4th grade level, but when I’d go to check those books out of the school library for silent reading time, I was told “no, those are for big kids”.

    In 4th grade, my school district got the bright idea to take two kids out of each 4th grade class in the district to make a new 4th grade class to reduce overall class size. The teacher of this class quit within a month, we went through multiple subs before getting a permanet teacher. That year I FAILED math, every kid in class failed AT LEAST one subject, but I found out years later (remained friends with the teacher into high school), that when she turned in F’s for every single student, she was told “give them D’s they’re going into 5th grade next year”. It *might* have turned out ok, expect in Nov, the 5th grade teacher had a heart attack. We only had a few subs before getting a permanet teacher, but I got even more behind in math. Come summer break, I was promoted into 6th grade even though I had learned NO math in two years. I spent the remainder of my school years convinced I was just “stupid” when it came to math. It wasn’t until college when I went back to basic math and worked my way up that I FINALLY grasped concepts that should’ve been taught in 4th grade.

    In 7th grade I asked my mom why, at different times, the moon is a different brightness, looks closer, etc. She told me to ask my science teacher. When I did, he told me “we’re not studying that this year so you don’t need to know”.

  • Tyler

    To the second comment in the screenshot, I can’t resist. You said “reading to well”.

    Too*
    That error in proper English made me take their whole argument less seriously. Also, the woman said she was a great musician way ahead of her class on the recorder flute? Did I read that right? I’m a drummer and I can play the recorder flute.

    • Tyler

      I re read the music part, it said piano, my bad.

  • Nope!

    The post is fabricated. Look at the pic. The same hand wrote the name “and” the comment.. check each letter, and how it is shaped. This website fabricates stories, and presents them as true. The lying liars are not to be trusted.

  • https://www.flickr.com/photos/129297464@N04/ AlexandraF

    I noticed that “to” was spelled incorrectly in the second paragraph. :(

  • Lori Logan

    Second paragraph: Unfortunately, this teacher didn’t spend enough time differentiating between “to” and “too”…

  • Carol Jolley Turnipseed

    I would be the happiest grandmother in the world if my first-grade granddaughter could read at grade level or above. She is dyslexic and her school has no dyslexic therapist, nor do they accommodate the student as recommended in her evaluation by a PHD in dyslexia. Thank God your child is so brilliant and don’t let any teacher hold her/him hold them back!

  • Trinity Sheil

    Too bad the first paragraph is misspelled for someone who read “to” well ;)

  • Mike

    I can relate… my 8th grade math teacher failed me(Back when they could “fail” you just because they didn’t think you were ready…no matter what your grade in the class was) because I was able to find easier ways of doing problems. Because of my dilemma in Algebra, I wasn’t able to get through Calc like I should have. I then had to teach myself Calc and CLEP out of Calc 1 and 2 in my starting year of college…

  • Vicki H

    The child in these examples was a victim of bullying behavior exhibited by the teachers. When other children see a peer being chided, they immediately assume that person is defective and this creates a type of social isolation or ostracizing. Bullying begins when children think it’s okay to admonish someone for being different. This happened to someone I know. When she was in second grade, her teacher told her not to ask so many questions during a specific subject because it was disrupting the classroom. The girl was simply very interested in the subject and the truth of the matter was that she was asking questions the teacher couldn’t answer without looking it up. Needless to say, the following year her peers began to tease and ridicule her.
    Also – it has been very clear to me for a very long time that public education is all about conformity. Truth doesn’t matter. Intelligence doesn’t matter. All students must learn by a standardized curriculum (even when it is inaccurate) and any deviance from it means the student is displaying unacceptable behavior. Smart students are dumbed down by this system, instead of nurtured into advanced education.
    It’s no wonder that homeschooling has grown so large, and brick and mortar schools are seeing declining numbers in the student body.

  • Derick Willis

    I’d be more inclined to believe you were an advanced reader if your first paragraph didn’t contain a spelling error… The phrase, “I was reading to well”, is incorrect… In this circumstance, the proper spelling of the word is “too.”

  • strangewilderness

    This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. You have created a false enemy in vilifying teachers to discredit public education. It is the corporations that are attempting to take over education, attempting to rewrite history for their benefit, attempting to indoctrinate children, and it’s the very thing conservatives support.

  • Scott

    This was my life growing up and honestly it just gave me the attitude to stop caring about school early off and to never bother putting my effort into it ever since. I could have done so much better with my life too :/

  • Lauren Reese

    I was told all through school that I didn’t belong in regular classes because I was severely dyslexic. It started in kindergarten my teacher failed me for things like not napping and not coloring the “right” way and because I used a mirror to read. Although my iq tested higher than the average adult my elementary school teachers would make fun of me in front of class often.
    I’m an adult now and understand that the one with the problem was them but this was very discouraging and carried through highschool and even into college. In an honors class in highschool the teacher made me sit in the front of the class and told everyone I needed to sit there so she could keep an eye on me. She said I belonged in directed classes because I had an IEP and now it was on to make sure I kept up.
    I know their are good teachers out there I’ve had a few but I’ve not had a single year of public school where a teacher or faculty didn’t try to shame or humiliate or even try to fail me.

  • Schmoozy

    When I was in middle school we took reading aptitude tests, and then were told what our reading level was. We then had to read books at our level and take tests. Well the test said that I was reading at a college level, but our library only went up to 10th grade, and only had one book at the 11th grade level. Since they were not college level books, I automatically had ten points taken off of my tests. Not the same as these, but frustrating nonetheless.

  • Guy

    This more or less describes my experience with Public school.. never had trouble in Private School though… Whats better then private? Homeschool!!

  • Carol Tutor Rowland

    Not all teachers are bad, I did choose to homeschool because of the schools tendency to control creativity and individualism. Our society rewards people for for joining the flock and not standing out. It condemns those who step out of line even if it is for the better. I know several teachers that encourage their students to excel and teach their students that it is ok to be themselves but it is up to us as a society to make changes and to voice our opinions and to accept people even when they are different, smarter or work at their own pace. This issue goes much farther than just in our schools

  • L.D. Student

    In reading the comments I notice that people are missing the point. These are individuals with high egos. Key word, “Individuals.” But people are jumping into blaming all or certain systems, when the real blame is on the individual. I had good, well meaning,and misunderstanding teachers. I’ve also had teachers who clearly had the lesson planned for them. But they did encourage me in moving beyond when I wanted to. (They knew I was too advanced for them, but knew that I was stuck with it.) The point I’m making is that I don’t look at them as a whole. I look at each and every one of them individually. How they each helped in moving me forward, or holding me back. The people mentioned above are people with a fixed view with how the world should work. One being that the student should not be better than they are. Forgetting the simple fact that moving beyond the teacher should be the teacher’s goal. And it should make the teacher proud to be the one to help the young mind reach this.

  • MewCat100 .

    I call bullshit on this post.

  • Walt

    No all this shows is that there are asshats that are teachers……EVERY JOB has some!

  • Ashley

    My 4th grade teacher called my mother and told her that there had to be something very wrong with me after I turned in a very well written book report. The book I chose was The Amityville Horror. Apparently the book I chose contained material that frightened her. Intelligence is no longer in schools, it is feared.

  • Jessica

    This is possibly true; however, your incorrect spelling and poor prose suggests otherwise.

  • makeadifference

    I encourage my students to think, be different, challenge the system and question the world around them. However, they’re more interested in the latest video game, who said what online, gossiping, and avoiding hard work that challenges them. They lack self-discipline, creativity, and passion. I often leave work wondering why most of the students don’t seem to care about the world around them and value an education, and I go to great lengths to stimulate their interests – most of which are superficial. Stop writing articles about the few bad teachers that exist. I had them, you had them, and they’ll always be there the same as lousy bosses and annoying co-workers. Suck it up, move on, and focus on improving yourself as a student, teaching your kids to value education, and contribute to society.

  • RJD

    tell me again, why do they get tenure? most peoples jobs do not include a tenure bonus….

    • RJD

      Not mine – do you have tenure where you work?

  • Adam Chaney

    When I was in 3rd Grade. My teacher told me to not read such an advanced book, because I could not possibly understand it. I did not read a book voluntarily again until high school. I was tested the following year with a college level reading and comprehension. It was a book about NASA. This was in the early 80’s. This has been going on for DECADES!!!!! I have a genius level IQ and write high volume e-commece websites for a living.

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