Too many schools are teaching kids what to think instead of how to think.
I want to say something here; my wife is a public school teacher, and we do hear of things like this now and then. If you have a teacher that is doing weird stuff, complain about it! Call the department head, then the principal, and if it is not to your satisfaction call the district. The WORST thing you can do is stay silent. There are a lot of good teachers out there (I’m married to one!). There are kooks out there too, but nothing will happen if you don’t make noise!
Your wife gave me a D when I should have received a B+, Billy. She’s not a good teacher.
seriously? You fail. How do you even know his wife?
Because… she was my teacher. Duh.
Actually John, you fail. Learn what sarcasm means. His comment went right over your head.
I agree with everything you wrote except the pronoun! lol
From Calvin and Hobbs:
Teacher: Class what is a pronoun?
Calvin: A noun that lost it’s amateur status.
I gave her the “D”…
Boom! Thread over.
You’re lucky. I would have given you an F, and that’s only because you can’t give out anything lower.
Not with that attitude.
you can go lower………….
Why bother complaining? They’re not going to do a single damned thing about it. Teacher tenure is king. My wife and I yanked our kids out of public school and started homeschooling them instead for these reasons and many others. Pee on public schools.
Yes Billy! I’ve worked in 3 school districts and our principal and superintendent address any issue directly with the teacher. I’d suggest talk to the teacher first and tell her why you are disgruntled as that can solve 99% of issues. Also, tenure is being done away with in many streets. I will never have tenure and I’m OK with that.
Your a moron……..
It’s “you’re”, meaning “you are” “Your” means “belonging to you”
Maybe the guest is saying he/she’s our moron. How nice. Sorry, I have enough morons. Thanks but no thanks.
Your??…and WHO is the moron??…lol
If you’re going to name call, make sure you know how to spell…
Obviously, you were asleep when your teacher was teaching grammar and spelling.
You are or, you’re a moron.
Very few will trade tenure for anything.
most teachers i know would trade in guaranteed tenure for creative control over content. seriously. don’t blame tenure for it; blame non-educators setting education policy.
Tenure has everything to do with these teachers pulling this cr_ap. If they thought for one minute that the public could (students parents) could raise a ruckus and get the teacher fire or removed from the system they would not even attempt this bull_crap. But they know that even the administrator has little power in removing these clowns and all the administration does is send out an apology letter saying it won’t happen again or some half baked reason why they were doing it.
And what is the reciprocal to that? I worked at a school where a teacher was dismissed for writing too many kids up. Tenure is the guarantee of due process and job security. Not having tenure is a scary thing, as you can be removed from a position and therefore have difficulty getting into any other school or position, all over something as simple as someone not wanting to complete their paperwork. I know that in the state I live in, that’s true in any industry and even in other union jobs, but considering how cutthroat the teaching industry is these days, tenure is what people need, especially the hundreds of thousands of capable, young educators who get shuffled annually (or even semi-annually) like a deck of cards.
Welcome to the real world Wired Whale! In private non union environment’s a person can be fired for pretty much anything, you have to produce each and every day to keep your job!
Actually, no. In some US states, there are stronger restrictions on what constitutes termination in non-union companies and organizations, but not in all. This “real world” you speak of is a world where the concept of progress is a dividend, and the arrogance and ignorance of those who think they have some semblance of control is what divides us this way.
Now, when you work in a field like education, things are a bit different. This idea of “daily production” goes completely out the window in lieu of the shortcomings listed above that those around you have. And guess what? There is no control at all over how much you can actually produce. In other words, it doesn’t matter if you work hard, produce, or maintain, only how the dice roll, and the next thing you know, you’re under a bridge, unable to find any kind of work whatsoever.
You can have due process without tenure, and expecting job security is simply out of touch with reality today.
That would be a problem because these teachers have no martketable skills. Otherwise they would have real jobs and wouldn’t be such blood sucking leeches on the taxpayer system.
Those who can, do
Those who cannot, teach
These are among the LEAST educated people in the entire world. If they want job security then have them get real degrees
That has to be one of the dumbest most ignorant comments I have ever read. But being from someone that clearly hates the education system I guess I shouldn’t have expected an educated response
THANK YOU AJB !!!!!
The SAT scores of students of teaching colleges are in the bottom one fifth of all SAT scores.
I agree. My mom, who passed away this past April, was a retired teacher, with a Masters and several hours toward her Ph.D, but as far as doing or knowing anything else, even around the house, she was worthless. Dad even had to show her how to put gas in the van just weeks before she died.
Your poor mom. Unless she was a really awful lady, I’m sure she would be heartbroken to know you thought she was worthless.
And I suppose all these educated people of whom you think so highly just popped out of their mothers’ wombs with all the skills needed to perform. I agree that the education system is broken, but to blame the teachers is equal to blaming soldiers for a poorly planned battle. Something tells me you wouldn’t last a day in my classroom.
so well said English Teacher….thanks a million….xo
One-half of new teachers are out of the profession in 5 years. If teaching is so easy, go ahead become one….summers off, holidays, etc.
I worked 30 years in the “real world” which was pretty high pressure……teaching is the hardest thing I have ever done.
The ones who leave are generally the best teachers, they are not tolerated by the RIF RAF that out number them. Think back to who was your best teacher, then try to get them to open up about how they are treated by other teachers.
A lot of second-career teachers leave because they aren’t used to putting up with the incompetence, waste, and out and out stupidity of the educational system. My biggest problem (and I myself almost left) was policy being decided by non-teachers or teachers who have been out of the classroom for a long time. Also, in my school, teachers are evaluated by principals with very little teaching experience. It can drive you crazy.
Least educated? We all have to have at least our Bachelor’s degree; and I currently have my Master’s. How is that least educated? It shows how ignorant (let me define that big word for you…lacking education or knowledge/unaware or uninformed) you truly are. You have no idea what goes into planning and executing a lesson. I work at least 10-15 hours a day prepping for, setting up, or grading lessons. I do not work in a state that has tenure (Texas). I work hard every day to provide the best for my students. My parents are allowed into my classroom at any time. To lump ALL teachers into one category as being lazy and non-caring is unfair and actually lazy in its self. I would love to know what your degree is in. I have a Bachelor’s in History and a Master’s in Educational Psychology. I would also love for you to “guest teach” in my class for a week. You will soon find out how difficult it actually is. If you “cannot”, as you so plainly and very unimaginatively (because you could not come up with anything on your own) pointed out; why do we have enrichment days at our school? Why do we have projects where the students can make choices of how they do their assignments? Don’t come in judging until you have the whole story! Just like I am not going to judge you on your comment that you are a complete idiot. I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I mean after all you were able to read the comments and produce some legible/comprehensible sentences…missed a few punctuation marks…but for the most part readable. Did you not have a teacher that taught you that? Just curious.
Oh Cris….thank you for your clearly very educated post….made my day….
Wow, 10 – 15 hours a DAY? When I teach (occasional substitute teacher in junior high and high schools), it takes me about 2 hours prep + 2 hours correcting papers per day… Am I not giving it enough effort?? 😉
That said (tongue-in-cheek, you understand), you are darn right that teaching is hard! A joy to impart knowledge to willing students, but demoralizing to keep ORDER when half the students don’t want to be there, and constantly disrupt class. It discourages the good students too…
And although I sent letters home to parents asking them in, to help out or visit, not one even responded. It appears most parents trust the system, or are they just plain negligent?
Most of these guys who knock teachers (and there are bad teachers, just as there bad doctors, and lawyers, etc.) would not last two weeks in my classroom.
Sadly, he is one of those who need you the most.
a rather harsh opinion of teachers, who are qualified with a Bachelor’s degree, and many have Masters degrees….blood sucking leeches? And the LEAST educated people? Now that leaves me, speechless…!!!! No marketable skills…and not having a “real” job? Lastly, how could you think a Bachelor and Masters degrees are not REAL degrees? My question is this. Why did I reply to your comment? You have a right to post your opinion….and I have a right to disagree…..peace out…
I totally disagree. My mother was a teacher. Ever hear of continuing education? It meant that she had to take a certain number of hours every so many years, to continue her certificate. Not many jobs require that.
Well put comrade.
(We all know who can’t wait for the Fascism Day Parade to finally start)
I have been a public school teacher for 25 years. Tenure means NOTHING in SC. I’ve veteran teachers fired over issues that had no merit, because of political reasons. I don’t know what states might or might not recognize tenure, but SC does not. Teachers have to obey policies and curriculum decisions made by state legislators who know nothing about teaching. The public appears to be ignorant on who pulls the strings in public schools. It is NOT the teachers. They have the least power and are apparently responsible for everything!
No tenure in Texas either!
Yes, but that does not mean that they still have to make bone-headed decisions in their teaching as exampled above in the article. My mother (who passed away this past April) was a retired school teacher who not only taught regular class rooms, but Gifted Education classes as well. Taught them with one of our State’s famous politicians back in the ’70s, who ran for Governor in ’98 (but lost), who later became Chancellor and President of the local regional university. She is probably rolling over in her grave if she knew what today’s education system has become. I went thru school from ’78-’91 and college from ’91-’96. I like to think that I was educated instead of indoctrinated. I learned how to think, and not w to think. But before mom retired in 2000, I kept hearing of the horror stories in the classroom that she would have to deal with. Mostly having to do with behavior problems and the inability to deal with them due to new rules that the Clinton Admin’s Dept of Education came up with.
She is probably rolling over in her grave if she knows you changed tenses in the middle of a sentence.
warrenj….be nice!! His point was still well made…despite the grammatical errors and apparently lost on your observation….my opinion only….please no
drama if you decide to respond….I’m being harmless..!!
I have been in the classroom for more than twenty years. While some of these do happen they are very much the exception rather than the rule. Do not let a handful of examples from widely separated times and areas give you an erroneous impression of the real state of teaching today.
Well that’s good your state doesn’t recognize it, but unfortunately most other states do such as mine. It gets even worse in college. We slammed a few teachers on basically not teaching us a damn thing, and mercy passing 75% of the class to keep their jobs. Yet, thanks to tenure, they get away with it.
I had one of my child’s teachers tell me that they ALL disagreed with teaching the common core standards but didn’t have a choice. However they wouldn’t start teaching it until they had no other choice. That happened this year
And i did complain to no avail. So my only other option is to home school her. So your correct about it being out of the teachers hands.
I dont believe that for 1 second .. they strike in a heart beat for things like pay and benefits, yet they wont lift a finger for something that may actually do some good ( like eliminating common core ). Dont tell me they dont have a choice
Good point Jen. And true. And when they are striking for those extra pay and benefits, they cause the kids to lose days and even weeks of school. And yet I have never seen a teacher’s strike that pertained to something that would actually benefit the students.
I was in public schools for almost thirty years and we went out on strike twice. The second time was over issues pertaining to the quality of educational services we could render such as student/teacher ratio.
The call for smaller classes is a NEA scam also mostly to benefit the teachers. Most people learned quite well in classes with as many as 50 students, but the smaller classes increase the need to hire many more teachers thus ensuring better job security.
I love how everyone keeps bashing teachers. You need to look at the politicians and the people who are making the rules for what should be learned in public schools. I can almost guarantee if one them went into even a 3rd grade classroom they would be confused by the content that is being taught.
Where in the world was I “” bashing “” a teacher. Up until this year my baby has had the greatest teachers in the world. And as I stated these teachers DO NOT want to teach common core. No Ive never had a complaint about our schools here
We have excellent schools with a ninety eight percent graduation rate. And as we live in a very small town I run into her teachers all the time and if they have anything good or bad to tell me they will stand in the grocery store, gas station etc and talk to me. They aren’t worried about seeing me in the school setting. They will call the house, cell phone, heck then facebook. Praise God is generally something good but there have been issues with her daydreaming and our teachers care enough to pay attention to that a child is doing and call them back to attention. They never allow the fact that they are teachers get in the way of clamping down on her if needed. The teachers here will tell you quick these children aren’t just their students, they are their babies too and they treat our children like they are. No mam i wouldn’t bash any of our teachers
They are wonderful. If it seemed like i was it was truly unintentional.
And I can guarantee that if the teachers walked out in masse to protest Common Core or protecting bad teachers, those same politicians would relent on those issues just as they do when the teachers walk on en masse to demand more money and benefits!
It’s “en masse,” unless someone in a position of authority declared them both correct.
TY, but I know it is en masse, as is demonstrated by my use additional use of it later in the post. It was just a case of not being a very good typist.
If YOU’RE home schooling her, I beg you to refer to YOUR dictionary and learn the difference between YOUR and the contraction for YOU ARE. This idiocy has GOT to stop!
That’s a lot like having most other jobs.
YEAH TRY THIS ONE ..
JUST WALK ON CAMPUS AND VISIT UNANNOUNCED YOUR CHILD IN THEIR CLASS ..
ELEMENTARY OR MIDDLE SCHOOL ..
THEY WOULD CALL IN THE COPS AND A SWAT TEAM , THEY DONT WANT PARENTS KNOWING WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THOSE INDOCTRINATION ROOMS . YOU CANT LISTEN IN YOU CANT DROP IN , YOU ARE JUST SUPPOSED TO “TRUST “THEM
N O T !!! HOME SCHOOL YOUR KIDS OR SKIP THAT NEW CAR AND PRIVATE SCHOOL THEM.
you coming in unannounced has nothing to do with them not wanting you to know what is going on in there. It is so that some stranger can’t just walk in an steal your children. if you want to know what is going on then volunteer as a class parent. teachers love it when parents volunteer to help.
Not always true. I did volunteer to help in my daughter’s class when she was struggling. Under no circumstances did they want me in the classroom. I thought that extremely odd.
True. My wife is a retired teacher from California. We moved to Texas and she volunteers at our local elementary school. They love to have her there!
A parent is not a stranger…check in at the office like all visitors are supposed to do. No, the schools have gotten secretive and will tell us nothing or even lie to us, so checking up on them seems frowned upon.
excellent decision on the part of students’ safety….and good advice on volunteering as a concerned, and involved parent….even a grandparent…I would think that could be approved also…..
thats strange, where is that? I frequently drop in my kids school and sit in
I teach in a public Jr High/High School. I have also taught 1st and 2nd grade. I have, and still do, invite my parents to come in at any time unannounced to learn with their children (I teach computer science and media literacy) or just to see what we do. I always tell them that they must check in at the office for the safety of their children but they may just show up in my class once they have done that. I have had many take me up on the offer and I LOVE IT! I always ask them to let me know if there is anything that I may have missed or that they feel I could do better. The kids love it (although they would never admit it) because they see that there are parents who care about their education enough to investigate it. I think that you are wrong about teachers not wanting parents in their room. Most teachers welcome another pair of eyes to make them better teachers.
Tenure is simply contractually agreed-upon due process before being fired. An administrator who blames tenure for being unable to fire a a bad teacher is lying to cover his own incompetence.
People who do not know any better, and have never taught assume that tenure is similar to what it means in college, a guaranteed, unassailable job. For many public school teachers tenure only assures that they have to tell you why when they want to fire you. In NC until you achieve tenure you can be released with no explanation and no recourse to defend yourself. No other professional level jobs have so little protection, or give the people who work there so little respect.
EXACTLY! Much of what we teachers do is legislated (political games) by non-educators. I would take a pay cut to be able to control what and how I teach.
Ya but you can’t because you don’t work for the kids you work for the union.
So why is there no strikes by teachers to get changes made? Why no outcry of more teachers standing together? How can things change without the teachers having our backs against school boards? I would rather you get paid more and havecreative control.
They are under a union contract, they are not allowed to strike
I am a teacher in North Carolina. No unions, and no protection. If we strike we are fired automatically. We are told to teach the kids to think critically, to prepare them for the future. However, the tests they are given at the end of the year focus only on rote memorization of prodigious amounts of basic information. How well the kids do determines your future as a teacher, and affects your family. What choice do teachers have in NC other than to teach to the test, which we detest, or quit? Either way our choices amount to letting down our kids, the kids we teach because we care about their future.
So sorry to hear that, Jeff. It will take teachers, students, parents and school boards to put a stop to this If that is not successful, call your congressman and demand they address this assault on the children in America. We are preparing a generation of zombies to be the future leaders of our country!
Maybe more like future followers
I’m not saying all but too many teachers are teaching their liberal politics in the classroom, when a first or second grader comes home from school and tells the parent who to vote for they are not being thaught what they should be!!!
I imagine if they came home and told you to vote for some conservative yokel you would think they were being “thaught” (sic) really well.
“I imagine if they came home and told you to vote for some conservative yokel you would think they were being “thaught” (sic) really well.”
Was it really necessary to ridicule this poster based on a spelling error? Or perhaps that’s a valid measurement of IQ, educational attainment, and general knowledge in your book. Please.
The way to mitigate this is to support privatization of the educational system through choice, such as charter schools and home schooling that pays the parents who do home schooling. Once you add government to the mix, accountability goes out the window — take a look at the federal government.
There is no guarantee private school educators are any better. In fact, they sometimes have more of an axe to grind and are more intolerant.
Performance data shows a greater success rate from private and charter schools.
Have you ever been to a charter school? I went to the school where the lady “created” the charter method. Charter schools aren’t the answer. I’ll admit I knew maybe a little bit more than some kids going into college. But by the time the second semester of freshman year came around. Everyone was where I was. They talk a big game, but all they do is take money. They are a private public school. They can, and do, (illegally mind you) pick and choose which students get in, and which ones wait on their so called lottery system. My 8th grade teacher is suing for getting fired for not moving a kid up in the lottery. Charter is not the answer. Take it from someone who graduated from one.
Charter schools have excellent records and DON’T charge tuition. It appears you needed to repeat a couple of grades.
Frankly, I think that it is you who need return to remedial education. Your nasty little inference, and lack of reading skills, suggest that you’re of below average education.
The op did not once say that they charged tuition, and clearly, he illustrated exactly why they might have an excellent track record-on paper.
So, you having nothing of value to say, you resort to nasty personal attacks. Real classy and intelligent, and PATHETIC.
Obviously, you’re a Republican. It was the very fact that a nasty personal attack was launched, that garnered a comment.. So, you can turn it around on someone else if you like, but that still does not make it true;and frankly, “classy” is not something you would no much about. As if your opinion of me is of any value what so ever. (eyeroll) Please. You pathetic little troll, you need to sharpen your skills, because you failed-and obviously, you had nothing of any substance to add, anyway. When you start having a life, have a good one.
I worked in the office of an inner-city high school for years. You have no clue what you are talking about. GROW UP.
God bless you for your ability to cope and survive! I would not do that job even if they paid well!
Typical dimwit Democrat who would argue with Jesus Christ that white was black. You morons always show your true colors.
Or that Jesus Christ was Black, when everybody know he was from Nazareth which is in modern day Lebanon. Do Jaime Farr (M.A.S.H) or Danny Thomas look BLACK??? FOOLS!
Someone on this page is a Republican? You figured that out all by your own self? Damn, you deserve you a Chocolaty Chip Cookie, son. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxjSuQXPAak
I too went to a charter school, and I had the opposite experience from yours. Going to that school for my Junior and Senior years was the best decision I ever made, besides maybe my choice to join the Marine Corps. I went to school with people from way outside my comfort zone when it came to culture, experiences, and intelligence. It was only when I got into that school that I realized how simple-minded public schools are teaching children to be, and that was 10 years ago.
Maybe your charter school was garbage, or you just didn’t apply yourself in the environment to get the most out of it, but charter schools most certainly help children who want to learn get to their desired goals.
That is, of course, your experience, and your position. But, once again, you have to find a negative and acerbic approach to respond to someone who is of no threat to you. This belies the words in your statement, and the caliber of your education. If it was all so gooey, why would you need to attack anyone?
When did I attack anyone? I simply stated the possibility that the op may not have applied themselves to take full advantage of their school. How is that in any way attacking anyone?
“Maybe your charter school was garbage,”
(And then again, maybe yours was, so you were able to excel.)
or you just didn’t apply yourself
(Inferring that the OP did not apply themselves was an attack, and you damned well know it. And by doing so, you manage to infer that the school was not at fault at all. Maybe you didn’t apply yourself-so you could afford to settle for a less than in-depth education)
in the environment to get the most out of it,
I find this to be the likely case for most of you. You don’t want to stretch beyond your comfort zone to learn anything. I managed just fine in a public school environmnet, and I attended 24 of them in 10 years. But then, I was of above average intelligence, too. It was a disjointed educational experience, but I would take it over a sheltered private school environment any day.)
but charter schools most certainly help children who want to learn get to their desired goals.
(Here again, you imply that the OP did not want to learn, and/or achieve their desired goals. It’s an attack, and you damned well know it. So be man enough to own it, or be quiet.)
To respond by acting as though your perplexd and misunderstood, is pretty passive-aggressive of you. You insulted and attacked the OP, and that shows a lack of character, and an education that failed you. Have a nice day.
Nice attack on an innocent relating their experience! *smh*
anecdotal experiences are too easy to make up to prove a point in a debate. Facts are better but rare with Liberal types
Attack? Oh my goodness. Expressing a different or opposing opinion, or describing an experience different from yours, is not an attack. Why are you so silly?
you must have stepped on his delicate sensibilities…without even a political word…you can just tell he is a bleeding heart liberal….Thank-You for your service
He said nothing negative, all he did was relate his experience. Perhaps you should return to school and learn reading comprehension.
“Perhaps you should return to school and learn reading comprehension.”
And, perhaps, you should just get a life? Another low-information reader who thinks everyone is as dull as he is, and cannot understand intent, tone, or the English Language.
Of course he did, and of course you would deny it. Typical of the poor representation that conservatives so often receive. Just as your comments are negative, and you can’t handle it when someone points that out. One gets used to it, but frankly, it remains oafish on your part. If you can’t handle the truth, change it. It’s easy-really it is.
” It was only when I got into that school that I realized how simple-minded public schools are teaching children to be”
“Maybe … you just didn’t apply yourself”
“Maybe you charter school was garbage…”
You are idiot. There was no attack there….
Semper fi from a Squid
anecdotal evidence proves nothing. Guess they didn’t teach you that when you left either.
Of course. When they start out with the cream of the crop what do you expect? They won’t let in the trouble makers, the disabled, the ones whose parents are not motivated. In fact, those unmotivated parents won’t even bother to try to enroll their kids. A more meaningful statistic would be how much improvement was made in a year.
And even better performance and success from homeschooled kids – which probably has something to do with the fact that homeschooling is something only dedicated and capable parents do. But it sure flies in the face of the insults directed at homeschooling by big government devotees.
Only because parents are paying for the education their children are getting and have a tendency to spend more time making sure the kids are learning and behaving in class.
The difference is, a private school teacher can get fired, the private school cares whether the parents are satisfied because they can take their kids out of the school and they pay directly to the school.
The guarantee is that if they don’t they can be fired.
Have you seen what they pay a charter or private school teacher? at least with the government a teacher gets a pension.
You think money grubbing profiteers will teach our children better?
People will always try to control the minds of children. Whether they are the towns people, the state of the federal government. The key is balance, and get the Feds out.
Dems want them dumb.
Dems? As in democrats? Your an idiot if that’s what your saying. Everyone wants our kids to learn except the rich and powerful. And that makes up democrats AND republicans. So stop being a stupid uneducated republican.
If you want to compare IQ’s, educational attainment, and general knowledge, you will find liberals far surpass you conservatives who are so ignorant you think you are smart.
Seriously? You dimwitted morons voted Obimbo into office twice. Sorry, can’t convince me have a brain between all of you.
No this is where you are wrong. The government schools are not teaching everyday children to be future leaders, they are teaching them to follow the elites’ kids with out question. This is what you people don’t understand. You can bet your last dollar that the elites’ kids are not taught like ours. GET YOUR CHILDREN OUT OF THESE GOVERNMENT RUN SCHOOLS.
Let’s start with abolishing the DOE!
Not future leaders, future drones of the nwo. They don’t want kids thinking for themselves.
Zombies is correct, but they won’t be the leaders. They will be told what and how to think, just like they have been for about 20 years now.
Jeff- I don’t know what kind of standards you are having to teach against or what subject/grade you teach. I do know years ago I taught in NY which long before my Mother went to school there (I’m 76) had standardized testing in high school (Regents exams- 3 hours). I took them and I taught against them. In all that time I saw 1 question worth 1 point that I thought was out of bounds and ridiculous. The tests asked for major point of historical significance and discussion of literature- I taught both English and History. Standardized tests can be good because in our mobile country kids move a lot. If there is a standard for each grade they are not as likely to get lost.
Emmie, I was in school around the same time that you were and yes standardized test were hard but usually fair. You know nothing about the over-testing that the schools are doing now and the inappropriate developmentally damaging tests being given to even kindergarteners now. Standardized testing has increased to such a level and is being used to determine teachers’ evaluation scores so that many teachers have no options but to “teach the test” rather than the subject or lose their jobs and the hope of teaching anywhere again.
I worked in my kids’ public school district in the preschool, and the amount of testing we did was insane. I quit for several reasons after a few years, but one reason was that I found it ridiculous how many times per year we had to sit down with each child (aged 3-5 years, 18 per class, 2 classes per day) and record which letters of the alphabet they could recognize and which they could write, same with colors, numbers, cutting with scissors, etc., etc. It seemed everything valuable we did was ignored and the main thing was to LOOK good, to the principal, to the state, to the parents. These tests were all a meaningless measurement. These kids did not need to learn to read and write in preschool, but whatever learning they did should have been encouraged, not recorded in minute detail and re-recorded every 2 months throughout the year, taking days on end of one-on-one boring questioning. It was ludicrous.
We put a man on the moon, and found treatments for many diseases w/o centrally commanded core. How could that happen? Because EVERY discipline has it’s core principles, methods, concepts and content.
Should note too, that up until the mid-90’s Regents exams were OPTIONAL, students’ choice, and you could go to college without a Regents diploma.
Nation’s Top Teacher Drops Resignation Bomb: “I Can’t Drill ‘em and Kill ‘em”
There are 49 other states.
Maybe that’s why so many in government are against the voucher system. They know that everyone would flock to private schools and the public school system would go extinct.
From what I have seen recently I would say if they could all pass the standardized tests they’d be better educated than they currently are. Too many students graduate high school functionally illiterate and have difficulty with basic math.
Our country is pretty unique in that we attempt to provide education for all – in spite of economic, cognitive, language, or any other disadvantage. That being the case, you can’t expect that every person who graduates is going to be able to pass a standardized test. Your simple statement sounds good in theory, but to what standardized test are you referring? The new standardized tests being implemented aren’t really…standardized…and when you say ‘too many students’, how many is too many? By design in our system (because of individual freedom to make bad choices), some students will never graduate. Some will graduate functionally illiterate. It’s overly simplistic to say this is the fault of the ‘system’. Can some things be improved upon? Always. But if you read the opinions of experts, the changes being made currently are not going to result in positive overall improvement.
Half of the students who enter 9th grade in SC schools quit before graduation. Having only one out of each graduating class get a diploma while functionally illiterate would be too many. The truth is far worse than that.
Sorry, Jeff; If you don’t know facts and principles you can’t “think critically”. Kids have to learn the basics by memorization and repetition before they can move into making decisions about what to do with information they are presented. From a family with over 150 years in education, bottom to top.
So since you’re in NC and there aren’t any unions there and no protection, what happened to Tanya Dixon-Neely? Remember this wench? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p59MSsLv7Vc
I’ll tell you what happened…..SHE GOT TO KEEP HER JOB. THIS IS WHY EVERY PARENT THAT CAN SHOULD TAKE THEIR KIDS OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS. IT’S NOT EDUCATION, IT’S INDOCTRINATION. IT’S A JOKE. I’m not exactly for testing either but let’s not fool ourselves teachers don’t want tests because they don’t want to have their job performance evaluated like the rest of the world does, it’s that simple.
Stop letting the devil win in your life. Either find a new career or subvert the system because one day, you’re going to be retired and looking back, you’re gonna hate that you were complicit.
I don’t think, though, that the article, or the remarks on this page, apply to you. The conduct of the teachers in the example are that they are determined to hold their students back. You don’t strike me as a person of that caliber at all.
There are some professions who should NEVER be allowed to have unions…………TEACHERS are one of them.
Prove that. Prove you are fired. Maybe you should do good for all and go to the legislature and make your voice heard. Surely you did this the 118 years the Dems had control. I know plenty of Republican legislators who would love to hear about the threats. Which by the way is a decision from your local school board. You don’t need unions if you are doing your job. You need unions when you are not. It would be very cool if the citizens who pay the bills had such protection. But we don’t.
Oh by the way, not too many school systems made the grade on the last report card. And the latest report card was on
a 15 point scale! Only YOU can make a change for you. Take the lead for those who can’t speak.
I have to ask Jeff if what you are “teaching”, you can live with, knowing the children are being cheated out of a good education. I chose not to teach (back in the 70’s – even with my teachers’ encouragement), because I would not have been backed by authorities in charge to maintain the discipline necessary in the classroom to be able to teach those who WANTED to learn. I have found other ways over the years to encourage and teach youth. If you don’t take a stand – who will? Are they worth it?
You know MR. Battle, if all of your peers , walked out , do you think they would fire all of the teachers, I sincerely doubt it, so take a try at it…..
If you care about their future, then perhaps quitting is your best choice? If you care about their future, they why continue teaching them what you know to be nonsense? What good are you really doing for them?
Perhaps all public schooling should be abolished and homeschooling become the new norm.
Sounds like you need to find new employment jeff.
School Board in Clatskanie is so stupid they have to be spawned by generations of flunking incompentents – Marxist infiltration of teacher’s colleges won. They twice refused my assistance to investigate why and how to fix their below average rating within Oregon’s F rating on preparation for work and college and they ignored all improvement suggestions emailed to them. So a school board may not be in education’s service.
They do strike are you kidding me?
Usually about pay not teaching practices.
And encourage the kids to strike for more teacher’s pay… Los Angeles Unified School District!
Because teachers only strike for mo money.
Teacher “unions” only strike for mo money
Not true. Many strikes are very a better learning environment.
Well said, Scott. I’ve been thinking the same for years. Teachers seem to band together to support the union and higher wages but cave in when it comes to holding students accountable or demanding changes from the administration. Common Core is even more troubling.
Here in RI, if teachers strike – they go to jail!
RI meaning Rhode Island? That seems a little communistic. What about freedom of speech?
What law is being passed by congress to keep them from speaking? Thats freedom of speech, try reading and understanding the 1st.
More importantly, why aren’t there more parental complaints filed and parents of children protesting on behalf of the good teachers?
Strikes are illegal in Florida for government employees.
It’s my understanding that in some states teachers are only allowed to strike over pay. At least, that’s the way it is in Illinois.
Because a) in some states teacher strikes are illegal; b) it won’ t make much difference as long as you have too many bureaucrats and administrators who haven’t taught recently, or who have never taught, collecting big bucks and making policy, though they are clueless.
Consider this it is illegal in the State of Kentucky for teachers to strike. The state dictates that their baby sitters are as critical as police and fireman
My mother is a teacher and she is FORCED to be in the teachers union which Is why they can’t protest or strike against it. The schools system doesn’t allow teachers to fight back against what’s wrong.
Striking by teachers in some states is illegal.
A better question, Scott Smith . . . or everyone else who liked his comment. Why aren’t you standing with the teachers instead of on a pulpit preaching? Sounds like you are just telling them what to do “for you”.
In most cases your not against the board. Your against the government. Our board would love nothing more than to let our amazing staff have freedom. But the government says we must use common core and then keeps slashing our funding so we are forced to be more creative with less money.
On the other hand why aren’t parents on strike? I don’t see parents picketing the schools. I see a lot posting to Facebook but none step outside their house as far I’ve seen in the name of their children’s education. Parents have an equal if not larger responsibility to fight for the educational benefit of their children. Clicking like on a news article is not changing anything. Get out there and do something and stop blaming teachers who, for the most part, have their hands tied. They stand to lose a lot more than parents in a strike.
Because we have families to provide for. If you aren’t going to stick up for your kids why should we go hungry?
In my state, teacher strikes are illegal.
Get rid of the national teachers union. THAT is the problem. They are a political union set on doctrinating our children to all be equal in achievement, and status. In order to please those who cant learn, or cannot adapt. The day will soon come when the standard for all students is to speak only spanish while in class.
It’s not THE problem. It’s one of several problems. The nationalizing of education makes every problem associated with bureaucracy even worse and someone mentioned the practice of teaching “to the test”. Standardized tests can only indicate the facts a student has memorized -often just long enough to pass the test. They don’t measure skills like critical thought and creative problem solving.
Creative problem solving is of no use if the child can’t read. These tests the teachers whine about are very simple. One could make the case that not only the current teacher, but all teachers down to the level of the test should also be fired.
That’s what happens when government is in control of ANYTHING. Now they’re doing the same thing to our healthcare.
Don’t you think the parents should have the final word on what/how you teach their kids?
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND GO ON STRIKE FOR THIS KIND OF CHANGE.
Otherwise it is nothing but talk and talk is cheap.
Our daughters are teachers. They feel the same way.
That’s why teachers work in the Catholic school system as well as other Christian based schools, to avoid some of the government intervention. That being said, parents need to stay vigilant and involved.
No you wouldn’t
So, Fed control is moving in the wrong direction aka common core bs…
That’s why many parents are taking a pay cut (to one parent working instead of a two-income family), so they can control what and how their children are taught.
That’s a lot of the reason I never went into teaching. There are a lot of other ways to teach kids, and different kids respond differently to different methods. Lets let teachers be educators, who foster curiosity and facilitate learning, rather than whatever they are now…. test graders…. “instructors” perhaps… I hated high school, but loved college because of that difference.
the marxist unions are the problem. However, too many parents are uninvolved. If they would be involved and take action, this crap would stop.
I disagree, I was the school mom. I volunteered in all areas. I know of a lot of parents who complain and the school would tell them that NO one else had complained. I took up a list of names about the same teacher, same problem, and the same results and turned it over to our school board. The teacher was sent to another school, and the principle was reassigned. My opinion is they should have been reassigned to work in the lunch room.
My grandmother was a lunch room lady until she retired at 85, and I’ll tell you she wouldn’t have put up with crap from the principal or the teacher if they weren’t pulling their weight. So, please don’t degrade the lunch ladies. They’re not all weirdos as portrayed in Disney movies.
I loved the lunch ladies at my school…I remember every single one of them from elementary to high school (but I also worked in the kitchen of the school my junior year) 😀
the lunch people in most schools I went to were saints – for the children that needed food from poor homes they gave them larger servings, in my junior high one of them actually took leftovers packaged them and handed them out to the kids getting on the busses after school – I have a great deal of respect for those men and women
The problem with them being reassigned is that they will pull the same thing at a new school. They won’t stop, just keep it up until they find parents who will not challenge them.
Just like the catholic church with the kid molesters !!!
A restraining order not allowing them within a thousand yards of young minds.
Oh wait…I work in a school cafeteria and I have always found my job as being important to the students I serve…I am not uneducated, nor is my job degrading! So with that being said what is the point!
The system is set up to keep parents uninvolved, Kids are sent on hour+ buss rides across towns so by the time a kid gets home their school is closed. Parents are not allowed to go to the schools unless a teacher sets an appointment that will not take into account that said parents actually work and have to commute to the school. We Spoke with a fifth grade teacher once that told us that she didn’t like teaching boys because she didn’t understand them (I bit my tounge so hard it bled) My son spent his last year of middle school doing Advanced (High School) Math only to find out that the High School wouldn’t accept (Same School District) his grades so he had to repeat the same math My other son had signs of dyslexia in the 1st grade (backwards b’s & d’s some mixed up letters etc…) Seattle School District wouldn’t recognize that a child had a learning problem until they were THREE grades behind and then their answer was to send him to summer school with mentally ill children, Then during the school year he was bussed across Seattle (1&1/2hr ride) to a school that had a teacher that could spend 2hrs a week with him because she was regulary teaching at our neighborhood school (less than a mile away) the rest of the week… I could go on and on…
“non-educators setting education policy” about tenure. In our school district (don’t know about other districts in area or if this is state wide) our non-educators is called the teachers union. Tenure after 1 year of teaching. Districts not being able to give a bad reference for a bad teacher. Not all teachers should be teaching ( I have many friends who teach). It took seven weeks to get rid of a chemistry teacher who didn’t teach but played games!!!! Not all students learn the same way. I can testify to that with haveing four kids!
Exactly! It is a perfect example of how HMO’s screwed up the health care system allowing the governmentation of health care!
People often scream about separation of church and state due to their programming but in reality what we need is separation of education and state as kiddy fiddling usury master war criminal communists are the last people on the planet who should be setting policy in education.
be wary of Jews as some are vehemently anti white such as the Jew behind common core openly admits it is because he wishes to make whites stupid because of ‘white privilege’.
There is so much evil emanating from education and the neo Marxist liberal scum from sexualising young children with degenerate sexual perversion to creating anti white sentiment in our youth and it all needs tackling head on.
In Britain the Juden just closed 2 Christian schools because they claim they’re now ‘un British’ when they are simply un Talmudic and do not endorse the Satanic paedohile Jews who run the world.
No, blame the damned teacher unions.
I wanted to be a teacher for a long time, ever since I was little, that it until I found out that I may have to teach certain things that I don’t necessarily agree with or believe in.
I feel ya on that. its getting to the point where a teacher is nothing more than a computer admin who takes attendance and then helps the students manage software, while the software is meant to teach them everything in the class, including subtle hints for a socialistic mentality added into every course. its literally subliminal socialism and the teachers have no say in the matter, unless they agree with it, in which case they defend it against people who were raised to think open mindedly. take that teacher who threatened the highschool student with jail for talking about Obama, when he suggested they talk about obamas faults, in the conversation that the teacher brought up, about the faults of bush. of course, the only reason she was saying stuff about bush is because she is a liberal and wanted to encourage the pack mentality mindset of getting her students to agree with her and think like a liberal.
You got that right. I was so overloaded with paper from the “Board of Education” I barely had time to teach. I was lucky to retire before they brought in mandatory lessons, eg. Day 1 lesson, Day 2 lesson, etc,etc. If a kid didn’t understand the Day 1 lesson, too bad! Teacher cannot take time on Day 2 to go over the material. Most of this from people who spend little or no time in a classroom.
Then the DOE needs to go,,,and hopefully we can do that after 2016,,along with the Dept of Energy which has YET to produce ONE drop of same.
Teachers strike EVERY year somewhere in America to keep tenure. Nice story though.
And your kids will turn into the same closed-minded republicans who glorify someone like George W. Bush and say things like “Pee on public schools” Congrats. I hope one day they can learn to speak as eloquently as GW himself…oh wait…
W speaks better off the cuff than the Teleprompter in Chief
and who can duck not one BUT TWO shoes like that and still come up grinning like a sh *T eater!!
All the modern presidents have used teleprompters. W didn’t because he’s dyslexic.
All modern presidents? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.
What an ignorant statement.
Your a moron…
Andrew the Grammarian……Went to school in the L.A. county school system ……and you’re right.
What exactly is wrong with that?
mohammed…may PISS be upon him
Actually, it’s teachers like the example that teach them to be close-minded Liberals who glorify this crap and people like Che or the like.
That might sting if it had been written by someone who doesn’t think exclusively in stereotypes. Reality, am I safe in guessing you’re a product of those awesome government schools? Maybe even an honor student?
nothing I would love more than an open debate between W and O…he would make O look like the fool he is…….Bush’s intelligence is vastly under rated because the mediots only focus on his goofy humor….all who have worked with him on all levels will tell you he is always the smartest guy in the room..
LOL! “..smartest guy in the room.”
YOUR ONE OF THEM BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN LIBERAL GOAT ROPERS ARN’T YOU
GEORGE HAS HIS FAULTS BUT HE IS SMART ENOUGH FOOLS LAUGH AT WHAT THEY DO NOT UNERSTAND .
My bad. I’ve read that line about Obama so many times I misread what you wrote.
In all fairness, your “English”….
laugh it up dumbass….hes smarter than you to
Perhaps you should learn to speak and write the English language correctly before you comment in public. I remember you in my classroom. You were the one in the front chair that talked to the filing cabinet because you were so needy that you had to have your classmate’s full attention. You deprived everyone of the right to an education. You should have been tracked into the “picking up garbage along the roadside” track. The correct statement is He’s smarter than you two.
actually the correct statement is “He’s smarter than you too”….genius……I bet school was full or real painful memories for you, all those lonely days sitting in the lunchroom wishing someone would sit with you, wondering why everyone bullies you…..well its because you are a little twerp who cannot think of solid rebuttal so you attack a typo…see I was the one in your class that had a lot of friends and dated the pretty girls ,who went on to start his own business and live happily ever after
Pres. Bush’s intelligence was under-rated by the liberal lame stream media, OblameO’s is over rated by that same so called media outlet. Just listen to a O speech and he say “Ahh” & “Um” more than a valley girls say “Like”.
Not that I listen to O that much, because he always says the same thing! “Let me be clear!, is like nails on a chalk board!
I’ve heard it said that he ah’s and uhm’s a lot because he is a genius. pffft!
W never needed a teleprompter to say good morning to his family unlike the current occupant of the WH. Maybe some day you will learn to think for yourself and not have everything spoon fed to you like a good little lemming.
GW has more class, more intelligence, and deals (as in gets things done) with more problems than jerk butt in the White House today.
You always denigrate people who speak with a strong accent?
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting W and his father. While I have not always agreed with them (41 should have taken care of Sadam while he had the chance, for example), both have more intelligence and respect for the country than the current resident. His “eloquence” was over rated (an example of the “soft racism” so often demonstrated by liberals like Harry Reid and Joe Biden, who were so impressed that he was “clean” and “articulate”, and therefore “acceptable”) and while he may be ‘highly intelligent” as we have been told, but have not verifiable evidence to refer to, his ability to make decisions is woefully lacking.
I am decidedly not “closed minded”. On the contrary, l am open minded enough to recognize a con when I see it, regardless of how many charlatans try to convince me otherwise.
Politics played a major part in not going after him than, as it did when Clinton sent in 10 tomahawk missile into Iraq for threatening the life of said Pres. Bush.
And yours will be good little Party members.
George Buah is a better man than any of your racist lying scumbag liberal democrats. Why don’t you worry about things like why your party had to lie to continue enslaving their electorate, rather than involving yourself in anything having to do with education!
so you probably think that obummer is doing better than “W”?…. pfffffffft, seems like you’re the one that needs to be educated.
Ladies and gentlemen, classic textbook Bush Derangement Syndrome
You are a liberal douchebag. Who gives a damn what you think.
Why do you complain about ignorant and “closed minded” people? It seems the public schools you and your ilk so love are doing their best to create a generation of ignorant, closed minded people. But then, the Democrats would lose the majority of their voters if we were all educated and open minded, so it’s all good.
I went to those public schools and got a decent education . in spite of the obvious liberal attempt at indoctrination and misinformation but I was done in 1977
my brother just 5 years behind me got a terrible education full of propaganda and liberal foolishness
the victim of public school experiments .
Wow I figured all the W haters had grown up by now.
Are you really this clueless? Too bad that sea of Red took over the senate and the congress. Anyone still supporting the liar in chief is living under a rock.
Yup, your ignorance shines through like a good little democrat commie. Maybe you should re-read history as it is clear you missed the whole Stalin, Mao, Hitler school indoctrination sections. But, what is one to expect from a single cell amoeba brain of a liberal.
Yeah Reality, everybody wants their Children to grow up to be a liar like Obama because the ends justify the means…
Tenure was originally implemented to ensure the academic freedom of the professor–at the college level of instruction. Frankly, elementary and middle school teachers should have little need of tenure. Unfortunately, some teachers at that level are in need of tenure because they are trying to fight against an ideological stranglehold which forces them to teach to tests they have nothing to do with structuring. Other teachers take advantage of tenure to protect their mediocrity. Be involved, parents.
No, no, no. With children being taught what to think instead of how to think, we will end up with a country of Gruber’s minions, AKA Democrats. You know, the stupid people who voted for the Affordable Care Act.
“Closed-minded” is a term that I never hear conservatives use. It’s always used by liberals. And liberals always use it to describe anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
What do we have to do in order to become “open-minded” in your eyes? Become liberals? That’s what you really think it means, right?
It’s interesting how often liberals throw terms around whose definitions they don’t really understand.
Sadly, you haven’t a clue what teacher tenure is. You probably think we get a three month paid summer vacation, and paid holidays. Just because you went to school doesn’t mean you know all about public education. Don’t speak of things you are ignorant of.
I hope you don’t teach English with your sentence-ending prepositions.
Agreed. Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put! 😉
Law relaxed in casual usage, not in formal docs.
My son had a 4th grade teacher who complained about his “restlessness” and insisted that he needed Ritalin.
What he needed was something to do when he finished his classwork before anyone else did.
When I got through dressing Mrs. Brown down, in front of her boss the principal, she no longer had any suggestions the rest of the year.
Intimidation is a useful tool.
HAVE SOM E HALAL BACON
NOT RUDE , STRONG
Did you feel all big, bad, and strong b/c you talked down to her in front of her boss…knowing good and well she couldn’t “fight” back? Wow!! What a great example to set for your child…in my book that is called a bully. I am not saying you will always agree with what your child’s teacher is going to say or do. SHOCKER…they are human! But you could have handled it with a little more dignity and class instead of being something that rhymes with class.
Hey man, how’s it going?
How kind of you to defend your wife and her going downhill fast profession. But, this article
has been pretty much par for the course in terms of my kids’ experience
with public school thus far. I’m already homeschooling my oldest because
of it, will be pulling my middle kid out after winter break because
I’ve had enough, and my youngest will never take a single ride on the
big yellow bus, God willing. Nobody should have to work that hard in attempts to get rid of the crappy teachers, and have tons of kids suffering for
it in the mean time. Yeah – you really want to go complain to everyone
and their brother about the person to whom you are sending your kid to
spend time with for hours a day in a classroom? That will surely go over
well. I agree with the Prophet here. Pee on public schools.
That’s not true when stuff happens you have to be taught to many parents give up way to easy, they have that same attitude you have, why bother, because it’s your child’s future, my youngest her kids 2 are special needs and 2 are not and she has fought the school so much over the last 6 years that they actually hate it when she shows up, because if there’s a problem it’s going to be solved or she will not leave until it is and she has no problem going back until it gets completely solved, they also know she has no problem going over their heads, there are not many things she can not get accomplished when it’s against her kids and her kids know if they screw up at school there will be hellz to pay, but they also know she will fight for them and will not back down if they had not done anything wrong.
That is an amazingly long run-on sentence.
Charter schools don’t have tenure… They renew their contracts yearly. Also they can let a teacher go at any time.
You sir are a very smart person
Tenure? Teacher tenure? This isn’t academia. I don’t know to what you’re referring. Tenure does not protect public school teachers. Only unions do, and they are only in certain states.
Unions and teachers are one in the same. Its all one great big melting pot of a-holes. Are there teachers that genuinely care about their kids’ learning and how to make themselves better at their job? ABSOLUTELY! But for the most part, the entire public education system is a toilet.
I don’t know where you live, but clearly, it isn’t in Texas.
You can put me down if you like (which I expect from elitist educators) but I’ve got over 600 up votes on my comment sweet cheeks. Where are yours? Apparently a lot more people agree with me than there are that agree with you:)
Some people can’t home school or afford private school, so we are at the mercy of public schools. We do, however, pay very close attention to what is going on. We will fight a teacher or a principal if they mess up. Yes, curriculum is legislated, but there are bad or weird teachers out there! I’ve run across teachers in the last twenty+ years that have been pushing liberal agendas, that are racist, that pick out favorites and “troublemakers” arbitrarily and punish certain kids. I have had teachers ignore every time my kid is bullied or framed for something, but was all over it any time my kid made the slightest mistake. Sometimes you have to fight…and when I fight or my wife fights…we get attention, believe me.
Good luck sir. Im fighting the war a bit differently though.
There is no such thing as tenure for school teachers!
Then why are so many bad teachers so difficult to fire?:)
Not all states have teacher tenure. The non-union states do not. Bad teachers are removed.
Then sir you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Just saying.
You should watch Pink Floyd: The Wall. The section with all the kidlets lined up marching to the slaughter? ……yours are in there;)
I agree – the quality of education our kids received in private grammar and high school was far superior to that which was available in the public schools.
Did you really say, “pee on public schools”?
Wow you can read english!:)
dude the very fact that you say “why bother complaining” is why people like that get away with behaving in such a stupid manner, your statement encourages the idea that they should just be allowed to do as they please, because nothing could be done about it anyways. frankly, if you complain enough and embarrass the crap out of them, they will change. its using the same methodology that they use to try and cow students into not seeking their potential for the sake of the feelings of those around them that they make feel bad. you use their egotistical demand for acceptance against them.
OK boss…..knock yourself out trying that:) In the meantime, I’m homeschooling my kids.
This is not true. It is only true in some places. Just like any other profession you have the people who are in it to manipulate or make money, but you also have good decent people who do the right thing. You cannot stereotype everyone.
I just did.
Learned helplessness will get us nowhere. If we stop trying no improvement will ever happen. Congrats on homeschooling though, one way or another you re sending a message to the public schools.
Or better still, home school your kids.
yeah so they can get all their brainwashing from home without having to pick up any of those nasty social skills
I wish people like you could meet my nieces and nephew. They excel in every sport and extracurricular activity, are the most gracious, talented teenagers you would ever meet. Because they have time to devote to things not taught in public school, they are very well rounded individuals who are definitely NOT lacking any social skills.
you haven’t observed them with their peers – they are good at being polite to adults. I wonder how they will handle the criticism, bullying, pressure etc. that exists in the real world when they encounter it for the first time? Please, I will concede that your niece and nephew are probably delightful people and that there are a lot benefits homeschooling can provide (tailored curriculum, one on one interaction, etc.) if you’ll admit that without having the social experience of dealing with a diverse group of peers over years of socialization, they MAY not have a mature understanding of the nuances of social interactions – which can have short and long term effects once they are outside the social bubble of their family/friends and into the “real world”. or we can just agree to disagree, that’s fine too.
Home schoolers interact with others.There’s usually a group event for home schoolers.I guess the belief that one must endure bullies will make one better and stronger…
exposure to people suffering increases empathy, empathy is important.
Which is exactly why you will see homeschooled kids working in food pantries, helping with serving Thanksgiving dinner to the poor of the community, or visiting nursing homes.
I NEVER got that in my private/ public school experience. Face it, your ‘socialization argument’ is baseless.
“what doesn’t destroy you only makes you stronger” – Nietzsche
Public schools dont work because the schools aren’t allowed to punish the children anymore because of immature parents who are unable to believe their child ever does any wrong
i know plenty of brilliant people that graduated from public schools
Imagine how brilliant they would be if they had not had to endure public education.
Most homeschooled children are much more Socialized than their “peers” precisely BECAUSE they weren’t stuck in their own age group, picked on, bullied, or peer pressured. These kids often meet with other homeschool kids regularly within a homeschool network – and are exposed to PLENTY. They are not sheltered. Please tell me, besides lowering a child’s self esteem, what GOOD bullying does for a child? In the “real world” we don’t have to put up with bullies- we can choose to ignore them and walk away. Bullies are not tolerated in the work place, they are not tolerated in any setting. So tell me why a child must “endure” it in early childhood? A homeschooled child can be taught how to handle a situation-should it ever arise- without actually being FORCED into that situation (like public school students are) and they will just fine entering into adulthood. Perhaps you should shift your focus to the parents of children in schools who ARE bullies. They are bullies because they lack something at home. They make up for it by putting other kids down to build themselves up. Homeschooled children do not have this problem.
I would just like to say I was bullied in school right up through junior high. I learned how to stick up for myself and how to handle stuff on my own. I do NOT like the thought of my child being bullied, but have found that often the bullies just need some extra attention. Being bullied can teach you street smarts, intellectual defenses, independence, and empathy. That is not to say you can’t learn those things without bullies, but it also shines the light on people who need extra attention. The child who used to bully my son didn’t feel loved at home. One day, after he picked on my child and I hugged my child (embarrassing him, of course) I asked the bully if he needed a hug. The child threw himself into my arms and started crying. He picked on people for the attention he lacked at home. My son learned how to have empathy for people who are having problems, how to diffuse situations without escalating it, and made a friend. The ‘bully’ was at our house, as a polite guest, after that.
lovely story, thank you for sharing
I’m just going to agree to disagree with you. I disagree with a majority of your points but I doubt I can change your mind so I’m not going to bother.
I have many friends who were home schooled and they tend to be better at dealing with people their own generation because they join community activities like sports or a civic theater. Just because it is not in a school setting doesn’t mean they don’t socialize with their peers.
sports and civic theater only have people who are interested in sports and civic theater in them, and only has people who have families that can afford them the opportunity to play sports and go to civic theater. That immediately cuts down on the diversity, right?
Do you seriously believe that homeschool kids dont play outside after public and private school lets out for the day so they don’t ever interact with these publicly schooled children? Do you believe they only interact and meet other homeschool children, they dont go to the park or the mall, get on Facebook, Instagram, or Snapchat? Do you really believe these homeschool children don’t live in the same neighborhoods as public and private school children? Oh, wait, I will bet you are one of those people that thinks homeschooled children just sit at home all day watching the educational channel and reading online articles about Alexander Hamilton and the Federalist Papers. LOL.
One other point that I would like to make, most public school districts allow, for a fee of course, home schooled children to attend and participate in public school extra ciricular activities like dances,homecoming, prom, sporting events, and even some classes.
Actually, that’s not true. Those things are not open to homeschoolers in most states – but that’s fine. We have other means by which to provide those types of activities for our children…without the strings that would come with participation in the government system.
Here’s a challenge, give me a blindfold: Please get a copy of a book – any book – by John Taylor Gatto. He is a decorated NYC school teacher who took off the gloves after winning NY Teacher of the Year and started telling the truth about the system. Please read just one of his books before commenting again about the “beauty” of the system or the “problems” with its alternatives. Then come back and talk to us.
WOW! Dumbest comment ever written.
Excuse me while I just go and cut myself. Why? You ask.
Just to practice bleeding, of course!
Now I have a better understanding of how HE won. Thx!
such a thoughtful, well reasoned response. You’ve proven your intellectual superiority, I will bow graciously out of this argument.
You say David Athernon has not observed his nieces and nephew with their peers? On what basis do you make that assertion? Do you have some insider knowledge of his family life?
Janet – children act differently around adults than they do when there are just children around. His presence affects his observation. That’s the basis I am making that assumption on.
Interesting. Most of the kids who commit suicide over being bullied are in…wait for it…PUBLIC SCHOOL. Yeah, all the pressure and bullying in school sure does prepare them for “real life.” I wonder how many public school students who go to school with guns have a mature understanding of the nuances of social interactions? Your argument is the same old tired rhetoric homeschooling parents have been yawning over for decades. Bottom line: you can’t standardize children and that’s exactly what public schools do. Just like you are trying to do with your argument that home schooled kids are somehow incapable of socializing appropriately. I have news for you: children are socialized at home, by their families, from birth. When a child hits Kindergarten, they’ve already been socialized and I guarantee you, no PS teacher is going to do much to change what a child learns at home. If the parents are bullies, jerks, abusers, the children will emulate that behavior and not what a harried teacher who has to corral 30 kids every day tries to instill. So, get over the worn out “socialization” argument. It’s been disproved and debunked over and over and over. If you want to intelligently argue the pros and cons of home vs institutional education, stick to facts, not anecdotal “evidence” you see on “reality” TV or what your cousin’s neighbor’s barber says about some home schooled child they heard about in the grocery line.
Yeah, when they go out into the world as 18 yr olds, they will deal with only 18 yr olds. Meanwhile, most of those public schooled 18 yr olds will have no idea of how to get along with anyone over 25 and usually show total disrespect for anyone much older than 40.
Yeah, because our “public school youth” are so skilled in their social behavior! You are obviously a product of our brainwashing indoctrination centers, otherwise known as public schools..
Cap, you jump right to the nasty attacks. Unfortunately, thus far you haven’t quite passed the Turing test for me yet – I am not positive you aren’t just a conservative spam bot with a bunch of pointless abusive hyperbole you can sling at people coded into you.
A conservative spam bot. WTH is that? Would that be one of those made up thingys like a smart liberal?
you and the 18 yokels that liked your comment… i’ll spell it out for you:
a spam bot is something that has existed for about 20 years and is ubiquitous on the internet. It is a program that emulates a person with programmed responses. The fact you don’t know this and thought it was absurd points to the fact you are extremely out of touch with modern society and technology.
I hope this answers the “smart liberal” question as well 😉
My cousin home schooled her 5 kids up to the middle school. (7&8th grade). They had plenty of interaction with other kids through township sporting events, and other organized activities. They all went on to college. As far as what you call “brainwashing”, parents are the only ones that have the ultimate right to raise their kids by their beliefs and customs. Whether you like it or not. Thats not “brainwashing”. A person would have to have a religious, social or political belief in the first place, before they can be “brainwashed”. Since its the parents right to pass their religious and social beliefs to their children, only someone other then the parent can “brainwash”them. Because a parent may raise their children with a political position you don’t agree with, you accuse them of being “brainwashed”. Most home schooled kids i’ve met are much more polite and respectful then many of the kids that have to deal with peer pressure in public or private schools.
my brainwashing comment was in response to someone else saying children at public schools are brainwashed. I did not mean offense and apologize for repeating something that I don’t agree with and that incites a reaction rather than engages in an honest dialog. I’m sincerely sorry for being a jerk.
Exactly, jdelcjr. What happens in government schools is the brainwashing – indoctrination into a belief system often at odds with parents’ values. And when parents – those who are the bosses by virtue of being the children’s parents AND the ones who pay the bills for the schools – complain, they are told to go home, shut up, and let the “experts” have their kids’ minds and hearts. That’s just what John Dewey – a socialist who went to Russia and Prussia to learn all about government schooling – wanted.
I’m not convinced you’re not a liberal spam bot. The socialization argument is so tired. So is the brainwashing argument. Why don’t you try something that hasn’t been disproved?
please display evidence that children needing diverse socialization has been disproved?
Your reference to homeschooling missing socialization is a gross distortion.
Many home school children are involved in regular after school activities like music lessons, dance, theater, and sports.
Further, many home schoolers belong to groups with other home schoolers and get together to take the kids on field trips.
Home schooling does not eliminate diverse socialization. It reinforces positive social experiences, and minimizes many of the negative experiences found in “traditional” school settings.
thank you for sharing your opinion
Were you home schooled or had you home schooled one of your children ?
Homeschooled children do not usually spend all day with people of their same age. They are more likely to interact with younger children, young adults and older adults. Being alone with no one but your age cohorts is far from a natural setting and has little to do with the world of adults.
First display some evidence that “diverse socialization” is necessary. Are we saying that all those who were homeschooled – the primary means of education everywhere until about 100 years ago – were somehow deficient? That Washington, Franklin, Lincoln somehow lacked social skills? Really? Second, display some evidence that being homeschooled does not provide for “diverse socialization.” And, FYI, “evidence” does not mean the two homeschooled children you’ve met in your life – at the grocery store one day. Evidence refers to data – objective data. Research does exist on homeschooled kids’ socialization and it disproves you.
It’s only pointless to a mindless liberal..The rest of us have no problem with the point that I’ve made, moron..
Cap, you’re the worst counter-troll i’ve ever met. suck an egg dude – be interesting or go away.
Irony can be so ironic
go feed garfield
Guess your kids are gonna be the UN-athletic and socially inferior bunch who attend college, or a further education. Good luck.
I’m sorry but I just have to point something out. Me and my cousin are the same age have the same skill level in school and may as well be twins. However, she was homeschooled most of her life and I was in private and public for most of my life. She has almost no social skills and I make friendsand keep them almost eeverywhere I go. So yes homeschooling does keep some kids from learning social skills. Some kids who are homeschooled do have social skills but that is mostly because they go to clubs or are involved in other social events.
My cousin and I…
Hey, she was schooled in the public schools.. Awful grammar, but, she has the social skills!
Reading comprehension is also an important part of English. We do not know how long she has been in public school. 😛
So does Kim Kardashian.
And most of the home schooled kids probably know it should be ” My cousin and I” instead of me and my cousin.
I don’t mean to be harsh, but is her grammar better than yours? I’m guessing it is, so let’s call it even and move on.
I hope her grammar is better than yours.
I believe your cousin’s social skills are just fine. Most smart people just find it tedious to socialize with publicly indoctrinated drones.
Or, with all the crap they’re teaching nowadays about sex…better known as pubic schools!
Eric, I guess co-ops in the park, weekly roller skating, MMA training, soccer, softball and birthday parties don’t count as socialization in your book? Everyone was MORE socialized when we were not stuck in some government institution for 7 hours a day.
Do not speak of something that you obviously know nothing about.
home school mom, those are all good but they still lack the open air freedom unsupervised with diverse groups of people from different belief systems and economic backgrounds. There’s also something to be said for shared experiences – your children will miss common experiences that the majority will go through.
I already said there’s things you can do with homeschooling that are very good, i also think that the majority of home school kids miss a very important aspect of socialization. You work hard to mitigate that, fine, but I stand by my statement.
Neither of us know everything, both of us are free to agree or disagree and express our views as we see fit. However, unless you have form of authority that I recognize as valid over me, I will neither concede to your demand nor accept your judgment that I know nothing about the subject. Considering I wouldn’t bow to God himself if he were standing before me in all his majestic glory, shining like the sun and making us all weep with his heavenly grace and transcendence, good luck with that.
Eric Drewes, I wonder how many kids you have and their ages? You sound like you have all the “book” answers, but none of the real life experience that comes from meeting parenting challenges ahead on. You have no humility that comes from walking the floor all night, worrying about a sick child, or maybe one that is going through a rebellious destructive period. Book sense will never take the place of common sense. It goes back to the old adage,”give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”. You completely ignore teaching morals, values, more’s, etc. Public schools do not teach these things.
public schools shouldn’t teach morals. parents still have their children for the majority of their time and that is when they learn values and morals. We don’t want the state to teach people right and wrong, right?
You are wrong on this point. The school has the kids the majority of the time, not the parents. How can the parents have the kids the majority of the time when, for five days a week, the kids are spending 8 hours of their day away from home?
My homeschooled teenage daughters are Roman Catholic. We are friends with children who are atheist, agnostic, Muslim, Hindu and Jewish. We are friends with families working here from Ireland, Mexico and Spain. We are friendly with a Deaf family. Most of the families we know are ultra liberal and we are conservative and lean towards libertarian. We have spent a night in a friend’s Manhattan Penthouse and we have cooked for and served the homeless. I am not quite sure how you can assume that homeschooled children and by extension their families only associate in a homogeneous group. Our homeschool group is far more diverse than our neighborhood public school.
As far as missing common experiences that the majority go through, I will pass on exposing my children to school violence, bullying (they were not aware the app Yik Yak existed), and over testing.
jvs: anecdotal evidence is good but the vast majority of home schooled children do not have the diversity yours do. Rural home schooled children in Ohio in towns where 100% of the population is white christian are not getting the exposure they need to gain awareness and appreciation for the diversity that exists in our world.
If the population is 100% white, how is going to school going to provide a different exposure set to the home schooling groups?
in rural areas many towns share schools, there’s guaranteed to be more diversity (both economic, belief, religious and ethnic) than if they are home schooled and spend most of their time in isolated groups, right?
Although, i do concede you have a valid point that was worth mentioning. Thank you
And if that is their community base, the public school kids won’t be getting exposed to any sort of diversity either.
My son is homeschooled, not brainwashed, and thankfully doesn’t pick up those “nasty social skills” like disrespectfulness, bullying, and total disregard for others. He has, however, learned valuable skills such as respectfulness and kindness, responsibility and work ethic, the importance of learning and asking questions, and how to think for himself. I agree that not all teachers are bad, my sister is one of the absolute best, but homeschool situations are not all bad either, please don’t assume such.
thank you for your thoughtful response – I concede home school situations, when properly set up, can be good environments for children, and conversely, public school situations can be poor environments. I am not trying to express the idea that one is 100% good and the other is 100% bad, I’m just saying as a society, we can work together to get environments for children where they get a proper education and proper socialization and it can be available for all families, not just the ones that have the economic/family situation to use home schooling effectively.
I was home schooled and I have marvelous social skills. You can’t avoid social situations. School is not the only place you learn them. You also learn them as a child going to the playground, from leaving the house and having to order food, or starting a conversation with people when you’re in the waiting room at the vet and they have a really cute dog… We don’t live in this world by ourselves, school is not the only place you learn to be social. You also learn how to interact with others as a child by watching your parents interact with others. Besides, schools set unrealistic enviornments for making friends. Once you graduate, you don’t get to always be friends with people your own age. You end up making friends with folks of all ages, and that can teach you more about life than the narrow social universe of being in a classroom with 30 other kids exactly your age.
On the otherhand, if a child is being raised by someone who is asocial, and they are homeschooled and not allowed to go anywhere, then they would not be very social, no.
They’ll learn better social skills hanging out with old people.
I’ve gone through public school K-12 (well, 11 ½, I’m a senior) and I have serious issues with my social skills, however, a close friend of mine was homeschooled until high school, and she has no problem with social interaction.
Apparently you know very little about homeschooling.
You’re using the “social skills” argument. You actually admit that home-schooled children are superior academically.
EVEN better still, don’t homeschool your kids, because you’re probably not qualified to.
I’m completely with you on this one Billy. I had amazing teachers all through school, none on them chastised me for being above level. In fact, all of them praised me for it. I feel like its just a few bad educators ruining the images of the many good ones.
“Complain about it”? Why, so the principal can side with the teacher and then tell the public that what is done in the school is private and no one’s business? (See Maine News last month.) We do complain about it and we are told to sit down and shut up, that the “school system” knows better how to raise our children.
This is EXACTLY why we pulled our kid out of public school!
And yet people will complain about everything. There is no more teacher’s authority. If a parent complains, a grade can be changed, a punishment can be removed, and a teacher can be disciplined by the district or school officials. And you know something? The kids know about this. That’s why they threaten their teachers with the above. I just came from a conversation with a parent over the fact that she feels it’s not right that her son be the first out of 7 students responsible to receive a written warning.
I’m not saying that there aren’t teachers that do bad things, but it shouldn’t be at the point where it must become a game of he-said-she-said between teachers and students, and the teacher should never have to feel as though he or she has to get the message to the parents before the kids do, because the kids are going to exaggerate or leave out details.
BULL, http://youtu.be/RdgzBNh6kEM Your wifes NEA Lawyer contradicts what your post claims!
The good teachers will tell you that this goes on all the time, and many of them complain about the system as much as anyone else, but because their career is at stake they shut their mouths.
and become part of the problem.
I agree, but the sad thing is, when you complain no one listens. At least not in the school my son goes to. I had to go to the local news and walk onto campus with cameras rolling before anything was done.
God bless your wife for being a good caring teacher. We need many more like her. Kids are falling thru the cracks and there are not enough teachers such as your wife to save all of them. On behalf of my fourth grader thank your wife. I pray my baby has teachers thru out her school years like yours is. They are worth more than gold. Much respect and love yes love to your teacher.
I agree completely, however unions make it impossible for schools to get rid of the rotten apples. My son was harassed by his third grade teacher, she had all the boys in his class sitting on special chairs weighted down with heavy beanie toys so they wouldn’t move. I sat in on his class as I had become worried when I had to physically drag him into the school building to get him to go to class. I watched the girls giggle and whisper, and the teacher ignored it, if a boy twitched he was yelled at, I warned the school that she was mental after she verbally attacked my son in front of my sister. They refused to listen, threatening me when I bugged his backpack. I pulled my son from school. A year later the woman had a complete melt down and was institutionalized, no apology from the school who claimed the problem was me and my family. It has been years and now the same school district has rehired her. It is amazing to me, that the woman was allowed to traumatize children then hired back to do it some more. I homeschool my son.
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I think you’re missing the point. This is not about a few bad teachers – and there are alot. This is about the system that almost demands that they be so or they could lose their jobs. The system created by politicians who know nothing about education, is about teaching kids to stay in line and stay quiet – not about educating them. This is something that frustrates teachers and parents alike, to great extent. Unfortunately, it has seemed in our experience, the younger the teacher, the less issue they take with this, having been raised in the ideals themselves.
Billy, I agree wholeheartedly. Teachers are like cops in that respect, the vast majority are good people and are there for the right reasons. Unfortunately it’s the few bad apples that get the publicity.
I like the quote, “We need a generation of Thomas Edisons.” So here’s how. Prepare every child for a Ph.D. by replacing Common Core and other failed curricula with http://www.robinsoncurriculum.com taught the author’s way to mastery by which he produced 5 kids with or getting Ph.D.’s from Cal Tech. Add in state of the art Bible understanding by having every child learn a Gospel – Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John – from the Bible so they can pray it from memory always. That’s all it takes, now please go make it happen!
Applying that solution to mission statements promoting
1) Fiscal responsibility – America should provide each new Ph.D. with resources to help invent improvements in the state of the art in all useful fields especially standard of living breakthroughs and pay all taxes for citizens before paying foreign dictators.
2) Limited government – $1.1 Trillion is not limited government. Voting fails to limit government. What is needed is a generation of Ph.D.’s, who mostly don’t need governing.
3) Free markets – a generation of Ph.D.’s would invent so many new markets the regulators couldn’t stay in control and might realize they should jump from the controllers to the creators.
4) Individual liberty – a generation of Ph.D’s educated in Jesus’ Gospel would know the liberty of God’s absolute perfection as America’s Founder’s did, like the first Congress which spent 3 hours in prayer and Bible study before getting down to the nation’s business. Independently responsible to God yet able to cooperate in making America exceptional again, better than it was before.
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Thank you , Billy !!!!!!!!!!
You are forgetting the UNION And if you complain about one of their members you are most likely creating trouble that will fallow your child for a LONG time.
If you or your wife, or any teacher for that matter, are doing what they should be doing, there is no reason to take offense. There are bad apples and uncaring people in every walk of life. You don’t have to feel any blame or guilt when the bad ones are pointed out.
I have done exactly that. While in high school, my daughter, who has mild dyslexia, had trouble with written tests. She went to her content mastery class to take her written tests, as was the procedure. When she got back to her regular class, the teacher accused her of cheating on the test. (This was an English test for
her senior year, with only 3 months left in the year.) Gave her a zero on the test. She was an A/B student and had NEVER cheated on anything. She was devastated! I called the school, spoke with the Content Mastery teacher and the principal about this appalling behavior. Not only was my daughter’s grade, 91 restored, I DEMANDED she be transferred to another class. She was. She finished with on the A/B Honor Roll. She excelled at math and music. She did well in all her classes. We later found out that the English teacher has an issued with the Content Mastery teacher. Your advise is spot on! Please tell you wife she to keep up the good work.
When I was in high school, we had a ‘bad’ teacher. Every single year, the school board received over a hundred complaints from parents about her. Every time, the union rep threatened legal action against the school district if they disciplined her.
The day AFTER she finally retired the other teachers at the school threw a “We’re glad she’s finally GONE” party.
Call your state representative.
These teachers are a minority, but like all teachers, they are mere civil servants that are beholden to us. The government has given far too much power to an entity designed to train for the workforce.
the wheel that squeaks the loudest gets the grease
That is the reason we need to break the teacher’s union and tenure. Children are NOT the unions main priority they work and get paid by for the teachers. Vouchers and Charter schools are the unions nightmare because they are performance based and if a teacher isn’t doing their job they are fired. No paid leave, no transfer to a different school just terminated.
I did that and the idiotic teacher was backed 100% by the District Supervisor himself. It was so frustrating that I stopped reporting any of my complaints. I’m very sure your wife is a great teacher, but the schools have become impossible, in my opinion.
Why does it require parents to complain? Why can’t the education system manage itself without the parents advice? Do the “kooks” survive because the system protects them – and perhaps even creates them?
Until the teacher’s union is abolished, this is what will happen.
Until the teacher’s unions are abolished you can complain till you’re blue in the face and nothing’s going to happen. The teacher’s unions protect them all whether they’re right or wrong and they always win. If teachers were suddenly put on notice that they’d be required to produce or get canned (Like the rest of the labor force out there) I bet we’d see a HUGE improvement! Till then? If someone is exempt from being fired simply because they flew below the radar for a few years and are tenured? There’s no reason fr them to try and perform….
Same here. Our school wants to hear from parents. Work WITH them, and they will help you out.
Complain about it? And just what good do you think that will do? That will get the teacher, who should never have been given a job to begin with, reason to humiliate and degrade the child in class. You sir, are WRONG. I worked in the office of a high school for several years and I watched and teacher after teacher looked for a reason to degrade or fail a student. What was once a nobel profession is now nothing more than lazy, ignorant beings doing the minimum to be overpaid and under worked. I agree the worst thing you can do is stay silent, but GO TO THE DISTRICT to do so, don’t bother with the administsration at the school. They are worthless.
We aren’t “staying silent.” The problem is the Union gets involved and says nothing should be done about these situations.
or pull them for homeschool. calling department heads, supers, and even your flipping representatives has not solved and will not solve anything. GET GOV’T OUT OF EDUCATION.
When you do that they take it out on your kid!
I agree 100%. There are some really good teachers, unfortunately there are a lot of bad ones no one is doing anything about. That was my experience in school and also what I see with younger kids today.
Bravo for your advice.
Thanks heavens there are still schools teaching cursive. My grandson who graduated last year did not. It should not be a lost art so that “ancient” documents of our country cannot be read by the young as written rather than in the common core rewrite.
I am a teacher, and Conservative, and I’m somewhat young (29). I can assure that we are not teaching kids to stay in line, and be good little commies. The way you ended that is an insult to my profession. You get mad at liberals who judge all conservatives by the actions of a few, why are you doing the same thing, quite hypocritical wouldn’t you say? Don’t link all educators together because of a few nutcase college professors, and your occasional incident in a public school that can have the context twisted to all kinds of epic proportions. If you want people to join the conservative movement, great, I’m behind you, but don’t resort to the same bullshit media tactics that MSNBC and CNN go to. I am not teaching robots, I am teaching kids to explore. Shame on you YC, shame on you.
Ben, all one has to do is to read the textbooks to understand exactly what is being taught.
I would say as a conservative, you are far and few between in your profession.
Ben, where do you teach? Utopia? The closest a teacher came to saying they were conservative in my school was “I’m a moderate.” You’re just one odd egg in the basket.
I consider myself a museum quality conservative and have been teaching almost 20 years. I long for another Reagan to rise in our political system! However, I can say that when it comes to public education most conservatives are just wrong. I believe the liberal side is not much better. Most people who influence public education are not teachers. I sincerely believe most are well meaning but have no background in how kids learn or how schools operate.
the good old days of reagan, where we were just trading missiles and arms for hostages instead of guantanamo bay inmates
I’d bet the teachers on this thread could teach you a thing or two about capitalization and punctuation.
Nah, he’s a public school robot..I bet he knows NOT to draw pictures of guns though!
there are three dots in an ellipses, Cap.
Is this better, sir? I was typing on my cellphone and didn’t realize I needed to properly capitalize my off-the-cuff blurb on a message board post to earn credibility with the scholars here.
Ad hominem attacks are usually a decent last resort when you have nothing else to leverage but honestly, I am disappointed by the meekness and pedantry of your comment.
The two funniest aspects of it are 1) I know you double checked your own capitalization and punctuation to make sure you didn’t embarrass yourself as a result of Muphry’s Law. 2) you tried to imply that I didn’t know how to capitalize or use periods, the fundamentals of grammar and punctuation, despite the fact that I have enough knowledge to reference the Iran Contra affair in the 1980’s. So do you think I’m an idiot savant when it comes to political history? I have pondered on the point you were attempting to make but haven’t quite resolved it.
Anyways, thank you for your time. Have a good evening
You mean Murphy’s Law right? Ironic don’t you think, that you would flame someone so quickly, and while explaining their spell checking and grammar checking in order to not prove themselves to be idiots, you yourself misspell the very point you were trying to make. Now that is either incredibly ironic and funny, or outlandishly sarcastic and dry, either way I think it was a miraculous fail.
It’s not a “few.” I live out in the sticks in KY, and there’s nutty stuff like this going on at schools out here. They didn’t say “all,” they said “too many,” and that is perfectly accurate.
Sure, not all educators are the same, and if you’re not raising little commies, good for you. But teachers should know that they have limits, because the kids are not theirs. They might be entrusted to your care, but they are not in your custody, their parents are the main authority, not the school system.
Unfortunately Emily, that’s just not how they think. It wasnt long ago that Melissa Harris-Perry on MSLSD said “all of your kids belong to us”.
MSLSD, huh? I love it when a fellow Levin-ite chimes in!
Do you teach common core?
Ben, you had better do some fact checking, who authors your text books and who paid for their original publications, who in your local education system approved them for use.. I think you will be surprised… Also I have been reading about increasing number of reports about kids being disciplined by their schools for wearing anything with an American flag on it, reasoning, that it maybe offensive to foreign students.. Sense when can foreign students celibate their holidays and patriotism to their homeland at school and be completely supported by the system but the same US Taxpayer support systems have and are denying a US Citizen student from displaying an American Flag on US SOIL.. You cannot deny this is a growing anti American phenomenon in our school systems..
Review Ordered of Video Showing Students Singing Praises of President Obama:
Obama Children Sing for Change for Dear Leader:
Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama:
School kids taught to praise Obama:
Praising Obama to Battle Hymn of the Republic (begins at 1:34):
Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals:
Ballistic, trust me my friend, I’m aware that the public education system is troubling, and I have major beef with those at the top who make the decisions. I didn’t appreciate how this portrayed the teacher’s as the villians, I know dozens of teachers and none of them would chastise a kid for being “too smart too soon”, regardless of political affiliation. 90% of teachers are for the kids, the 10% that aren’t, unfortunately move to office positions. It’s a broken system, I just hope we can get someone in that can fix it. In the mean time, I’m going to try to fly under the radar.
I would argue that its not a “public education system” anymore. Its a public indoctrination system.
I’m a public school teacher, and what Ben says here is sooooo true.
As a teacher, do you know the difference between “teacher’s,” and “teachers?”
Man, people like you annoy me. I’m sure he does know the difference, but like many of us, he’s probably on his phone- and not particularly careful with spelling, punctuation, or other minor semantics. Yes, it’s distracting for those of us who know better- but as someone who scored a 36 on my ACT in English, I STILL MAKE MISTAKES TOO. Get off your high horse!!
Get yourself a cool Internet Name then spill the beans on what is really coming down the pike for our school system… I have seen some examples of the “Common Core” curriculum.. It is obviously an attempt at indoctrinating some leftist ideas along with so call education… In one lesson on Possessive Nouns, sentences are to be streamlined by the student, but the sentences also indoctrinate political ideas, see below…
Found on following site..
It was reported by Fox News, but they didn’t write the lesson…
Congrats and keep doing what you’re doing but regardless of what you may think, you’re the exception, not the norm. Its not just “a few nutcase college professors”. The vast majority of educators are pompous windbags just trying to make good little Democrat voters for the future. There’s no interest in actually preparing them for life whatsoever.
Yes Ben! I encourage discussion and thinking outside the box to solve problems. In fact I often make a point to ask kids MULTIPLE ways to solve the same problem because there is often not one answer in real life. Please don’t make blanket hate statements just because you hit one bad teacher.
Not sure if you actually read the way they ended the article, because your comment seems to suggest you need to read it again. Notice he didn’t use an absolute. He used the word “most.” Therefore, contrary to your claim, he did not lump “all” teachers into one box.
Well said. I am a conservative teacher and work with many other conservative teachers. The liberal teachers I work with also teach children to think and would never consider doing any of the actions in the article. These are a few sensational stories about a few teachers. Post some of the uplifting stories too. But I guess that won’t get anyone irate.
I’ve just finished with High School, and MOST of the teachers were good, who encouraged free thought and excellence. Some were conservative, some liberal, and some moderate, but most were good at what they did and strove to make us the best. So, in response to those saying that you’re one of the few good ones (based on your claims), I don’t believe that . If anything, I do believe it is the curriculum. Or maybe, I live in an unusual place. *shrugs*
Ben, you may not be someone who is teaching kids to “stay in line” and teaching for the test, but many teachers are. The school system encourages good standardized test scores. But in a system where kids are ruly, inattentive and rude (because there is little to no respect for teachers), many teachers feel pressured to teach for the tests, otherwise they get cut. The entire system is flawed, and those teachers who “teach for the test” are simply trying to make it by. It’s not a problem with the teachers. You seem like a good teacher, keep doing what you’re doing.
This is why my above average grandchildren are homeschooled. They are soooo smart and two years ahead of their age groups. I can’t believe how smart they really are.
We started homeschooling a year and a half ago and its been the best decision weve made for them.
This is not true. Some teacher, bad teacher, are like this, but there are others, like my kindergarden teacher, who noticed those students that would excel above the rest, and not just excel, but like and urge to excel, which included me. She pinned us against each other in friendly competition to see who could do the best on math problems the quickest, and we all learned at a level which we needed. She was an amazing teacher and knew how to deal with children like us. These problem are because of teacher who took up the wrong profession. Teachers like my kindergarden teacher are the ones that took up the right profession. She still taught everyone else at a proper pace, but those of us who got bored at, what for us seemed like a slow pace, she spent extra time to bring in more advanced material. She worked double time to give both groups what they needed. Those are good teacher who would make the american system what it should be. It’s in the teachers. Now I am at college and studying to be a Computer Scientist with plans to go on to graduate school to become a Software Engineering. She made a huge impact on my life and I still remember her. Various teachers were like that, her especially, but it is about finding those people who are like her who loves teaching and putting them in the positions where they are needed and deserve to be, in this case, as teachers.
I graduated yesterday from an average public high school. Here’s my insider view on teachers: They are often some of the most hard working, underpaid people in the world.They work tirelessly for us. They think about us in and out of class and often spend more time with us than their own kids. They continuously to constantly care about our education, even beyond how much we care at times. Of course there are exceptions to this, as there are bad and good people in every proffesion, but in my opinion, teachers are more compassionate than the average individual. At one point, my life was even saved by a few of them. They are truly the unsung heros of society.
Wow, thank you.
I suspect that you are probably one of those students that teachers dream of having in their class. You are articulate, intelligent, and have learned empathy for others. Good luck as you progress in your life!
Underpaid, nah. Sure, they don’t make a fortune, but most teachers earn a comfortable – a wage well above the national median – wage once they reach tenure (usually about 5 years after hire).
A problem with your argument is that many districts haven’t had a raise in the past 5 years, not even a cost-of-living raise, while prices have nearly doubled for most things in that time. It used to be possible to make a decent living as a teacher, but it’s getting tough now.
Maybe on average they do, but I can tell you that the average public school teacher wage in Arizona (which is 51st in the nation for educational funding), is meager at best.
I don’t doubt this story any more then I doubt some of the good comments about teachers. Sometimes it may be the particular school that seems to be the problem when you have bad teachers. Or the school when you have good teachers.
My fiancé and several of my good close friends are teachers, and I am sure they would take offense to this, just as I did (and I am not even a teacher). Yes, there are some bad teachers out there, just like there are some bad mechanics, bad bartenders, bad hair stylists, bad bosses and CEOs, etc. Don’t try to push this label onto all teachers.
My fiancé is an elementary school music teacher and she is constantly pushing her students to excel and try harder. She has had to make 5 new “belts” for her Recorder unit because her students were going above and beyond to learn the unit. Her choir has tripled in size over the last 4 years that she has been at the school. She now has 90 kids singing in her extracurricular choir because they all want to be apart of it and she has never turned a child away from it. She has worked harder then anyone I have ever seen to help her students excel and be the best they can, she works more on the weekends and over the summer then most people do during the week.
One of my friends is a high school teacher in an inner-city school and she is constantly working hard to try and get the students involved in school but they simply don’t want to. But this doesn’t stop her from putting in the hours and thinking of the programs and units that can reach out to them and help them with their school so they can get into a college and keep them out of gangs or trouble.
Sorry for this long post and rant but I am sick and tired of seeing people post this sort of stuff with their one-sided, biased opinion.
My granddaughter could read at 3 (by osmosis, I think). By the time she was in school she was way ahead of her classmates. Fortunately, she’s had good teachers and while they worked with the other kids at their grade level, she was allowed to go to the reading shelves and pick out something on the ‘top shelf’. My granddaughters have been in the same grade school their father was and while there have been excellent, true teachers, there have been some that were right on the level of those mentioned in this article.
This is so fake it isn’t even funny. Anything to get readers right?
I had a teacher in middle school who found every little thing he could to write me up for and dock my grades for. Why? Because I would take quizzes and tests without ever having OPENED the book we had for that class. I’ve always had an interest in science, and he would accuse me of cheating every single time, even when i had to take surprise tests and pop quizzes on the other side of the room from other students and STILL score higher than the ones who had the book on “open book” tests. Yes, there are good teachers out there too, I had afew growing up. But there are more teachers who burn out and don’t give a damn anymore, and only want to be listened to and obeyed without question.
If you are wrong, he should mark you off period. You aren’t anything special if you don’t read you middle school book. I would mark you off for little things too, as should every teacher, whether you read the book or not. You don’t get special privileges for being lazy.
Red mark for Frank! Correct “you middle school book”, then I’ll take you seriously. As a side note, if he passed the tests and quizzes without his book, then it’s apparent he learned the info elsewhere. Not everything is learned from books, or by rote, or by experience, but a combination of all those things, and then some. My son is the same way.
Except I was right. I would get perfect scores on his tests, sleep in class and still get his quizzes right, so forth. I had a teacher I was genuinely smarter than, and knew more about science than, and he hated me for it. He outright sought to punish me for knowing his subject better than he did.
I can’t speak for this teacher, but speaking as a former teacher it’s not always about what you think it’s about. Especially as a middle school child it seems to me that he might have been trying to teach you something about work ethic and not skating through. Although I do not agree with his methods, I would have given you harder work and something to challenge you. Maybe something to challenge you against his mind. It seems that you like to be the smartest person in the room. I’d challenge you to prove it to me. You might actually have been smarter than me. So educate me. Teach me. You’re right, you shouldn’t be punished for being smart. But being intelligent comes with a price. It doesn’t mean that you get to look down on others because you know more than they do. I would hazard to guess that he was trying to push you to prove yourself and his pride may have been wounded as well. But if you do know more than someone else, shouldn’t you then edify them? Or should you shut them out and keep that knowledge to yourself? If it is the latter, then life will quickly become quiet and lonely. If you choose to share your knowledge and then life will be much different. Also, there are sometimes lessons that teachers try to teach that go beyond the subject they teach. I would guess that this teacher was trying to teach academic discipline and respect for authority. It’s not the way I would have gone about it, but teachers, by nature, are generally teaching more than what you think they are (they’re clever like that). It’s just hard to see it at the time(especially when you are in middle school). You clearly have a thirst for knowledge and I wish that this experience had been different for you. Just know that when you go into an experience like this again, go in with an open mind knowing that it is what you make of it. I wish you the best going forward.
I Agree with Frank, how could he mark you off if you paper was perfect. No you said there were small things. YOU SAID IT YOUR SELF THAT THERE WERE THINGS. This is confession to your errors. This means even though you viewed them as small, the teacher noticed your mistakes. As he should, he marked you off. Maybe you are not as perfect as you first thought. Because he noticed errors you didn’t.
Alright, let me be more clear when I said “things.” I’d be the only one he’d mark at all for penmanship. I’d miss class FOR A SCHOOL ACTIVITY and be assigned extra work or he’d just dock ten points of my next test. I’d yawn (when I was actually awake) and he’d write me up for being “disruptive” while someone else would make paper airplanes and get nothing. I remember almost missing a dentist appointment that year because despite having approval from the office, he wouldn’t let me leave class. I gave an example of a BAD TEACHER, was I a model student HECK NO, I was a punk as a kid, my parents had divorced the year before and I didn’t even understand what “acting out” meant. But while there are just fine teachers aplenty, I had two TERRIBLE teachers in middle school and will never forget how shameful it was that they were allowed to teach.
You forgot the robot rules Eric. You…..must……learn……the……..way………they……..want…….you……..to……..learn…….and ……..at………the…..speed……….they………tell………you…….that…….you……must……go…….all……robots……..must…….reach………the………end……..at……..the……..same…….time………the………same………..way.
I agree. Schools and teachers are out of control.
And the parent is right.
The teacher must be a liberal. Because to liberals, being equal means bringing those that dare to excel down, rather than equipping those at the bottom to excel.
Most teachers are liberals. Hence why they’re this way.
You wrote: “My third grade teacher actually had a conversation with my mom that I was reading to well and told her to stop having me read at home.”
Too bad she didn’t teach you the difference between “to” “too” and “two” in your down time.
Hopefully you leaned the difference between “their”, ‘there’ and “they’re”, or “stake” and
“steak”. There are so many others, but this may be overload for you already.
If you correct someone, please make sure your spelling is wright “leaned” should be learned.
If you are correcting someone who corrected someone please make sure your spelling is correct! “Wright” should be right!
If you are correcting someone who corrected somebody correcting somebody else, please make sure you use your commas correctly :).
I pulled my Children out of public in 1995 removed television from my house and home schooled. I would not let my dog be taught in one. My children work hard make good money and are leaders not followers. Both of my sons have jobs that most college students can’t do because of the public schools they attended.
They misspelled “to” near the top. It should be “too.” A minor quibble, but if you’re going to call someone out, you might want to check your usage.
The sentiment is not lost on me though and I agree with them whole-hardheartedly.
Am I the only one who noticed that there’s nothing about a first grader writing cursive in this whole article?
Right? I was expecting another handwritten message under the teachers, from the child. Disappointed.
I was told by a teacher in high school not to do cursive – ever!
(My handwriting kind of sucks! Thank god for typing!)
This certainly shouldn’t be taken as the norm. I’ve been teaching for nearly ten years. I’ve had students that read on a 6th grade level or higher in 3rd grade at a normal elementary school and I go above and beyond to create special lessons and assignments to encourage higher students to read at their level. We require ALL students to read at home every night. My school is FILLED with teachers just like me. We work hard and long hours to differentiate and specialize our lessons.
Your name, alone, is a good reason to homeschool my kids.
I may be nitpicking here – While I think this is great and all (maybe a little over-dramatic; also, clearly written by someone who loves attention); she lost all credibility the moment she failed to write “too” correctly. I know it may seem trivial, but if you’re attempting to project your advanced intellect by reflecting on a lifetime of over-achieving, I think a little proofreading is in order. I’m giving the benefit of the doubt that she does, in fact, know her “two, too, and to’s”. Haha.
this is precisely why my daughter will never darken the doors of a public indoctrination camp. i don’t care if i have to sacrifice every penny i have. she will not be subjected to this nonsense.
When my daughter was in HS she was an honor student and taking advanced English. She was not Spanish speaking, English her native language. She was also avid reader and very smart. She was required to take English proficiency test in order to graduate(just because her surname was Spanish). California crazy system. Academic racism.
This is obviously a thread from tumblr; can anybody link to the original? I’d like to reblog it from the source.
Nevermind, found it: http://thepersonalispolitic.tumblr.com/post/87661615119/thepathofalightningbolt-rustboro-city
If there weren’t grammatical mistakes in this, I might actually believe it.
If you were taught Oxford English in a German School with very strict Teachers, you know your spelling. Do not feel bad, everybody in the US makes the same mistake.
Everyone…? Yer certin girly…?
Is this an essay from the young man as he grew up or are these anecdotes from his mother? This is poorly written and hard to follow.
To be frankly honest, there’s not enough credit being delivered to the teachers who work with NEW students every year. I am a rising senior, and since I haven’t seen too many, I will be giving my perspective as a student. I have had many different teachers throughout my lifetime. Some were better than others; however, despite the actions of a fraction of the population of teachers, I would not go so far as to label them selfish and manipulative. A fact that many seem to be overlooking is that all students are not the little angels they appear to be at home. As a growing trend, I’ve witnessed multiple methods of disrespect demonstrated to teachers by students. Whether it’s screaming, leaving the room, or ignoring instructions, students have developed a negative impression on teachers who are solely preforming their job. Let’s face it, attempting to teach new material to students who find the subject consisting of no practical purpose while making the topic interesting is a recipe for disaster that only a few master. Also, many students who enter the classroom just have the priority of receiving the highest grade possible with the least amount of work (Generalization.. but at least from my school). I would go on, but I literally have work in 15 minutes, so to sum this up, teachers should not be represented by the actions of a few, but by the many. Teachers receive low pay, yet spend hundreds hours committing their lives to new students who ALL have their own separate lives. Teachers deserve more credit than this.
You know I learned something here. I think I would have failed the teacher. I really don’t think that Little Rock Arkansas has a governor. I thought the governor governed the state and not a city or town. But I could be wrong. Just saying…………..
Yeah, I was told I’m “not college material” because I “march to the beat of my own drum” by more than one small minded, arrogant teacher/professor. I’m a doctor now. And they probably think they made me. Nope, I made myself DESPITE them.
By the way, in response to the one about taking notes: Taking ANY notes is the wrong thing to do. You can’t pay attention if you take notes. And for those afraid, I didn’t take notes all through undergrad, grad school, and medical school. It works better. That’s why you have a textbook.
Teachers. “The underpaid saints” of the liberals.
I ended up dropping out because these types of things happened to me as well. Bad teachers ruin lives.
Reading “to” well? Oh well guess that’s OK in the third grade. 😉
My youngest child is the most recent high school graduate. She has siblings that are 15 – 21 years older than her. She graduated last year and we never had anything like this happen. She was in AP classes and TAG (talented and gifted), she was never discouraged from learning or using what she had learned. Her favorite subjects were Math and Science, she was great with Algebra, trig and she got in some calculus too. I would have been furious if something like that had happened to her. What part of the country did these things happen in? Are they from all over or just particular states? As a parent I would have made sure that this was known to the other parents and the administration. I cannot fathom a teacher holding a student back that had been so eager to learn or to have learned so much.
Might embarass the niqqers who can’t keep up.
I’m a teacher and I’m going to go out on a limb here and propose that the first scenario could only be the handwriting of a first grade boy (Aiden) if he started school at 7 and was held back a grade level. Developmentally, boys do not have the motor skills to pull off such clear cursive handwriting at 6. The other scenarios are equally contrived. While there are bad teachers, believe me, there are far more bad students and behind many bad students are parents who up hold them in every misdeed. Many students go through phases of “feeling their oats.” Most level out. Sometimes difficulties are contributed to “personality conflicts” with teachers and sometimes they are reflections of what is going on in the child’s family life. Other times misbehavior is attention seeking or motivated by peers or even family members who have themselves been unsuccessful students. It hurts me that parents really believe teachers deliberately hold students back academically. I can tell you we make many mistakes, as do parents, and unfortunately most of them only become clear too late. However, every parent I’ve ever known who believed at 6 or 7 or even 14 or 15 that their child was genius material or a perfect angel, found out differently by the completely unremarkable career paths of their children or the multiple scrapes with authorities they had to see them through. Look at your family tree. There is a good chance there are a lot of clues lurking there that will tell you if you’re raising a genius. If you are, you and your child are going to experience a whole new subset of academic difficulties. Good luck!
Is no one going to point out that this first grader has better handwriting than a lot of us?
On a serious note, I am thankful to have had fine teachers all through my public school education.
This just reads like a chain letter that needs to be sent 99 times or else Obama will end home schooling in America.
Sometimes the more intelligent students do suffer from not going along with the crowd, but at least it is something we can use later in life. Teachers who seek to impede the learning process need to turn to other things to do in their lives. I was always encouraged to satisfy my quest for knowledge, and to read everything I could get. Still do that.
Nobody writes in cursive past the 3rd grade.
Also everything about this image is fake, from the “grade” to the fake Tumblr styled responses.
Next time you write an article criticizing teachers and the education system, you should probably try to use the correct version of “too” in the second sentence. Doesn’t exactly make you seem as intelligent as you say or give your statements a lot of credibility.
It must be irritating to be so perfect and find flaws in everything.
Those people are irritating. Not sure what that has to do with my comment though. Just saying that for all the advanced lessons, you would have thought proofreading would be one of them.
“…reading ‘to’ well”?! They didn’t teach grammar?
For those of you doubting any of this, let me share that in 2nd grade (a long time ago) we had shelf loads of books in the class, but unless you were in the approved Advanced Reading Circle you were only allowed to read the books on the lower shelves. I wasn’t in the Advanced Reading Circle, but each day during Quiet Time I read. Within months I’d read every single book on the permitted shelves, then began reading those on the advanced levels. Read through about a 3rd of them before someone ~ a fellow student ~ finally noticed and tattled.
Our teacher immediately ordered me to put the book back and read only those on the lower levels. I explained I already had, at which point she first told me that wasn’t possible. I could see her mind racing, thinking back, as to when I might have read ALL those books, and right underneath her nose. I insisted again, and she shook her head and claimed I wasn’t ALLOWED to read the upper level books. I had to take a book I’d already read and go back to my desk.
Thank God back then there was still a remnant of independent thinking among public school teachers. The next day she approached me, apologized and gave me permission to continue reading any book I desired. She also placed me in the ARC.
Not sure a quiet, overlooked child would be so fortunate today. Seems like the government indoctrination centers truly detest independent thinkers, both children AND teachers.
Why weren’t you in the advanced reading circle already?
I missed the “woman’s response” that was “legendary”. Would someone point it out to me?
As a retired teacher at the high school level, I must remark that anyone who has this many problems with so many teachers,over so many years, must share some of the blame or the system has a terrible method of choosing teacher. this is over the top and self-serving.
Seriously? One kid had so many teachers who shot him down? Or is this just a nice made up story to prove a point. I agree that this happens on a daily basis but no way all of this to one kid.
I actually saw that first hand, when a school girl in the 4th grade i was tutoring, soon became too advanced for the class, and so we solved the rest of the course book without her waiting to learn it in class, and the teacher made her erase everything to the point where the rest of the class was standing
Cursive is being phased out so kids can’t read the constitution.
Every. Single. Teacher. I ever had. This is why I hate public schools, and why we home-schooled.
My teacher failed me in high school senior English because I insisted on using books and references that I felt appropriate for a paper I was writing rather than the resources she TOLD me to use. I am 72 years of age, so it has been going on for years and years. I went to summer school, made up the course, went on to university and had a happy life in spite of the pedigogical perfidy.
I wish this article actually SAID what the woman’s response was!!
I’m sorry you experienced a public school district filled with discouraging teachers. I’m glad you had parents who encouraged your curiosities and nurtured your intelligence. But this is situational, and it leads to a mass over generalization. I am a young teacher and I see little to none of this in my district (and do this never)… Despite what the “system” is or isn’t forcing me to teach. By the way, in the five years I’ve been teaching, This sort of creativity and curiosity you possessed is virtually nonexistent in much of the student population; I welcome the opportunity to nurture such when it actually presents itself. Don’t forget that in any profession nowadays, a huge percentage of the working population is ineffective at the job they are doing. Please stop vilifying every teacher, and every system, in the nation.
I was reading at a collegiate level in fourth grade. I had the highest A.R. (Accelerated Reader) points out of the whole school. My brother, who was in 10th grade, would bring home books he was required to read and I would destroy them and take the A.R. tests on them. My fourth grade teacher hated me and would never let me read the books I wanted to read in class. Kids would be reading magazines and wheres waldo books and I’d be reading something like the 5th Harry Potter book or the Lord of the Flies and she would yell at me and take my book away. She also publically humiliated me at times because she thought I would cheat on the A.R. tests so she made a new rule for only me that I would have to ask her to take an A.R. test and she would sit over me and make sure I wasn’t cheating, but since i could only take one with her watching, she would make excuses so that I wouldn’t be able to take any until a few weeks after I read the book so I forgot some of the things that would be on the test so it actually looked like I was cheating before. I told my parents and they did not believe me until a few years later when they asked my friends parents and they told them that i was telling the truth.
Not all teachers are like this. My mom is a middle school math teacher for special ed and she not only allows the students to do it the way they want as long as they get the answer correct but also takes time to learn from the students.
I barely remember this being so young, but all the way through 3rd grade, my parents were constantly called out by my teachers because my teachers thought my parents were doing my assignments. My mom is a English teacher and my dad has always been very well read. They said I went home and asked them “how can I sound less smart”. Crazy to think about . Wasn’t until thy tested me at a 9th grade reading level that they actually believed I was as intelligent as my work indicated.
Reason # 6,528 we homeschool our kids.
These teachers would be standing before the board and answering for these.
Next time, please edit your story before posting it. Multiple mistakes are clearly easy to find from people like me who read this.
…And then we wonder why our children are so far behind academically compared to other countries…SMH
Something is wrong here – this woman claims to have read Harry Potter when she was in 1st grade and now she has a son that’s in 1st grade. Do the math people! Another one of these phony stories to make a point.
I stopped reading when she said “my third grade teacher told my mom I was reading to well”. She didn’t say spell too well.
I’m sorry some people had this experience, but I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER been told by a teacher that I was doing “too well.” In fact, I was praised for being smart, put into upper level classes, and pushed to do my best. They told me, I could do anything if I put my mind to it, and encouraged to excel further if I wanted to. If they didn’t have the materials for me, they found someone who did. My creativity was only ever stifled if I was disrupting class (ie: disturbing the other students). Yeah, I had some crappy teachers, but I was never told to stop learning. If anything, I was taught to explore the world and learn all I could while I had the chance. Sure America’s schooling system isn’t the best, but this is not a common experience where I went to school. (and I moved to 3 different districts over the 13 years)
I am, are You FM505? Certain as can be.
I had some discouraging teachers in my life who failed me, and even a dean. One day in junior high school my friend was being bullied by six girls who thought it was a great idea to throw things at her. The teacher stood by and did nothing, so I removed my friend from class to get the dean. Who got in trouble? My bullied friend and me. But I did have a great teacher in my life, my Kindergarten teacher, who noticed I was reading at a second grade level, and did not want me to be bored during reading time, so she had it arranged that I would go to a second grade class during reading period. She always encouraged and supported my love for learning, and I think it is sad that she set me up with such a great foundation which only became destroyed by my junior high and high school teachers, who seemed to only fall into teaching because they didn’t know what else to do with their lives.
I want to say that now as an adult, I am friends with some marvelous teachers who remind me of my kindergarten teacher. So it’s not every single to teacher who fails the students. But unfortunately, it is a great deal of them.
Children are not made with cookie cutters they school systems needs to stop treating them like they are as long as they gain the knowledge and pass there test what difference does it make how they did they work stop putting them in little boxes they don’t fit
My 1st grade teacher said that since I excelled above the other students in every subject I should have been placed in 4th grade the next year instead of starting 2nd. My father declined and told them that he didn’t want me to be bullied for being “too smart”
I took this to heart and from then on started recieving bad grades because I didn’t try on homework or classwork, but would do well on tests.
by 12th grade I was sleeping in my English class, skipping History and PE every day to go to choir for a 3rd and 4th time (I already had two periods of it) and relaxing in Drama doing the bare minimum.
Despite the fact I didn’t put a single ounce of effort into school as some people will tell you is the only way to pass, I graduated with a 2.7 GPA.
The American educational system is fraudulent, I hear stories like this all the time from varying parts of the world. Of course theres that one teacher who cares about their students, but most of them are only there to work, rather than to teach.
My 10th-12th grade US/World History and Government teacher would actually sell school related things, like a sponge, or a stamp, or a sticker, or a washrag with the schools mascot on it to get extra credit. I once bought a washrag for 10$ and recieved 10% for my semester grade.
One of the few teachers I had that cared about his students was my 12th grade English teacher, I would always chat with him about his day, and I once convinced him to give me a B on an essay instead of a D because the last sentence of it had such a deep and powerful meaning behind it. I forget what it was but apparently it was good enough to merit my grade being raised 20%. I slept through his class for the most part though, and at the end of the year came our schools final, I finished it in 10 minutes and fell asleep for the next 1:30. At the end of the class he woke me up (Everyone else had already left) He asked me if I cheated, and I told him I didn’t wondering why. It turned out I got a 98%, also the highest grade of all of his students on that final.
I told my senior PE teacher to his face that I failed freshman year for a reason (Which is why I did the remedial course senior year) and that it would happen again most likely, which is why he excused me to go to choir every day.
School though, while not worth the time of most, is sadly key in defining your future, though I wished they wouldve taught me rather than let me sleep and skip everything.
My History teacher took off two points of my otherwise perfect paper simply because I used the word “plight” instead of “fight.” When I argued that “plight” was in fact the word I meant to use, he got angry and told me that no sixteen year-old used words such as that.
My English teacher constantly checks my papers and homework to “ensure that I’m not cheating” because she “doesn’t believe teenagers use words like that.” In just about everything I do in her class (I have three a day with her because I’m taking two years at once and have a public speaking class,) she constantly obsesses over making sure I’m not cheating because I get constant good grades.
My Math teacher repeatedly accuses me of cheating on my math tests because I receive 100 or some score that is very close, and he doesn’t believe someone could be that good.
I was even recently asked if I somehow cheated on the essay part of the regents, because I got a perfect score on both essays.
I think I liked being homeschooled more, because at least there I could be interested in learning more advanced stuff without someone saying it was “wrong.”
Yup, that’s new age education for you. Don’t raise the bar, just keep lowering it.
When I was in school, I never felt much need to put in much effort, either. The work presented to us was so rudimentary and unchallenging, that there simply was no reason to do it. I slept through and/or skipped classes and aced the tests with an average score above 90%. I spent more time learning on my own than from the “teachers.”
I was truly disgusted that the unionist teachers spent more time trying to brainwash students with their left wing politics, instead doing what they were hired to do… EDUCATE. This happened frequently in grade 11 and grade 12 classes, and eventually, it got to the point when I would have to scold the teacher and walk out.
Teachers today are only interested in getting paid, and collecting pension in return for services not rendered. We need teachers who are engaging and passionate about educating. From kindergarten through grade 12, I have only ever had three teachers that truly loved teaching. One who openly violated a teacher strike to come to class, even if we didn’t. There needs to be more like that.
My middle school daughter came home recently saying she felt bad for not speaking out as her history teacher waxed eloquently about Abraham Lincoln being the “greatest POTUS we have seen and probably will ever see” because he freed the slaves.
I told her to fight the battles worth fighting. It’s the teacher’s classroom but the playground or the lunch table was another story. She could enlighten her classmates there without the scrutiny of politically correct academia censuring her. She tried the tactic over the next few weeks and she said a few, not all, actually went home and started to dig for themselves.
I gave her a high five and told her “mission accomplished!”
One student at a time, we can take back our schools.
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This lady probably suffers from Fibromyalgia too. This sob story reeks of it. Boo hoo…
I never got treated that way in school but I can see that happening now.
This is where you have to be a mama grizzly (or papa) when it comes to your kids’ educations. Too many people just dump their kids off in the morning and collect them again at night and think that the school is responsible for raising them. Wrong. You have to be your kids’ best advocate and don’t just expect every teacher or administrator to do it for you. But in defense of the system, I went to public school and I can say that when I excelled, I never got beat down by any one of my teachers. I was encouraged and praised, which only made me want to continue being better than the rest. Of course that was before Common Core…
That exact one of the 8th grade algebra teacher fits me perfect I went through that myself mostly all of them
First, I find it difficult to think that there is a person old enough to have a child in the first grade who could have read “Harry Potter” when SHE was in the first grade. Those books have not been around that long. I smell a rat.
Secondly, the teacher would have said you were reading “too” well, not “to well,” as you wrote.
I know there are a lot of problems in the public schools today, but this whole thing is made up. Too many holes, discrepancies, and continuity errors. Try again.
My daughter is 13 years old and a sophomore in hs. She skipped 3 grades, lost one because of a move to a new district and it has not been until this year when she transferred to a New district that she has been encouraged to excel. She is doing a behavioral science fair project studying socialization difficulties with students who have skipped grades and the sad thing among all of the respondents to her surgery is that they felt more bullied by teachers and administration than by students. We have got to stop this!! High functioning students needs just as much care and encouragement as low functioning students. In my experience most teachers either feel threatened by extremely intelligent students or they feel like they don’t need to bother with them because they know the material so why teach them. This causes these students to feel ostracized and to stop participating. This is research that she plans to expand so maybe she can turn her experiences into something that can change the way we treat our exceptional students.
Don’t you just hate it when somebody Parrots something they heard and can’t keep the thought aligned with their mouth.
Abe Lincoln was Self educated mostly he taught himself
I tell kids the state you reside in is responsible to operate a school, your parents are responsible to keep you in school but you are responsible for learning when the education opportunity is laid in your lap. A teacher told me that they could teach me all I needed to teach and educate myself by the third grade. In a nut shell you can tie a thirsty horse to the bumper of your truck and drag him into the river but you can’t make him drink. So it is with learning and becoming educated. Yes the standards of schools have been lowered but you can still become educated if you use your own initiative. I.E. Pull yourself up by your own boot straps. Abe Lincoln did.
PS some people who teach school are Kooks. Prove them wrong, not agree with them by giving up
Sounds like right wing left wing propaganda …
I have my doubts about her reading “to well” in 3rd grade….
I’m a teacher and have a very hard time believing you had all these negative experiences due to you being more advanced. I can believe maybe one of these experiences, but there is no way that you had so many teachers like this.
In the very first paragraph this person claims the teacher thought he was reading “to well”. I am assuming that he was reading aloud to a well of some sort, or else he would have been reading “too well”.
It’s hard to take the rest of the story seriously after that mistake. The difference between to, too, and two is something that I learned long before third grade.
I don’t believe this is true. Sorry.
Expecting Government to teach you to be a real independent, critical minded person ?
There is the fallacy.
The state is not your friend.
I found this article hard to believe. As an educator of 37 years I helped shape well rounded, positive, respectful young people, many of whom I am still in contact with. Along, with that came the “freedom” to think and make their own choices.
Of course there may be a bad teacher, just as there are bad doctors, bad lawyers, and certainly bad politicians in all parties. We must all have an open mind!
Teachers are told to make kids ” even”. That includes ” dumbing down” hard chargers.
I would not do this to any of my students. We should be celebrating nay talent our kids have. The cursive writing thing happened to me when I was in 2nd grade. My mom taught me early how to write my name, and my teacher told me to print. Why squash someone’s ability?
As a teacher, I think it is important for parents to communicate with the teacher when they are happy with the teaching, and not so happy. The only thing I would ask is that the parents go through the proper channels. Teacher, Department Head, Assistant Principal, Principal, Assistant Superintendent, Superintendent, School Board. 9 times out or 10, the problem can be solved with the teacher, but when parents go over the heads of many, they have lost credibility and the ability to continue the conversation with the teacher at other times as well. So by all means, let your thoughts be known, but taking it through the proper channels will make a world of difference at that moment, and for future conversations.
Yes, there are monolithic machinery systems in place for comments against the system. Discontent with Mediocrity will not be allowed.
“My third grade teacher actually had a conversation with my mom that I was reading to well…”. I think that both you and your teacher were mistaken.
None of this would have happened to you if you had been white.
I had a similar experience many years ago in 8th grade because we were asked to do a report on the circulatory system. I was grilled by my teacher because I put in the report that bone marrow makes new blood cells for the body and she had not taught that in her class. I told her I read the information in the Biography of Dr. Walter Reed, which I had read a few weeks prior. she swore I was lying and I had gotten help from an adult until I went to the school librarian and had her pull my Library card to show I had checked the book out..
You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with…A Herring!
There are good and bad doctors. There are good and bad lawyers. There are good and bad cashiers. There are good and bad custodians. There are good and bad policemen. There are good and bad homemakers. There are good and bad politicians. My question is, why must there be no margin for mistakes among teachers? A bad doctor can kill you. A bad lawyer can cost you your freedom. A bad cashier can cheat you. I could go on making a long list of examples. I have been a public school teacher for 25 years. Teaching is HARD WORK! We cannot choose our clients. We cannot control the conditions under which we work. We don’t make the rules, but we have to follow them. NON educators legislate many of the policies we enforce. I challenge ANYONE to teach my class for a week. I don’t mean babysit my classes, I mean teach them … following all policies, rules, and the curriculum. After you have successfully taught my classes for a week without ANY missteps or lapses in judgement, come tell me about teachers.
I never took a single high school class and still, I make straight A’s in all of my classes. Hmmm? Just think about it.
Drink the Education Kool-Aid and keep silent.
In 1955 America was #1 in Science and Math in the industrialized world.
Since that time countless “New” methodologies of teaching Math, English, and Science have taken hold in America. Common Core is the latest “Educational Fad” to hit “Mainstream” educators.
In 2013 America was #32 in Science and Math in the industrialized world.
Hum, maybe those “Old Fashioned” ways of teaching really did work after all.
Not all teachers and schools do this. Please don’t put our teachers in a box. Our teachers are being persecuted by the system that is being destroyed by the re-gressives and then further attacked by conservatives whom don’t look at this from the larger perspective.
What people in this conversation need to remember is that not ALL teachers cause problems and not ALL teachers do this like this. I am a teacher and have many friends who are also teaching. We applaud students who do things differently. We also applaud students who excel and parents who get them there regardless of where the remainder of our classes are in the subject area. I apologize that you had issues like this with teachers before, but not ALL teachers are that way. Focus on the good teachers you have. There are a lot of good teachers out there who trump the bad ones.
My fourth-grade teacher tried to write me up for using a “bad” word on the playground. My mother had to bring in a dictionary to show her that “fickle” is not a bad word, but was in fact an accurate description of the girl I was speaking to.
“I was reading to well…” Pitiful considering an adult wrote it. Know the difference between to, too, and two before trying to sound smart.
There is a solution: Get out! Yes, institutional school is simply a means by which to keep kids in line and silent…and to churn them all out on the assembly line as docile, compliant worker drones. That’s the reason it was started and that’s been the goal all along. Creative, innovative thinking has always been done by those independently educated – what we call homeschooling these days. Most people really could homeschool. If they have a will to do what’s best for their children, they find a way. And if enough of us do this, the system will collapse and die – as it should.
Reading to well? This is exactly the kind of thing seen constantly from public school kids. They don’t know the difference between to and too, or there, their, and they’re. They certainly don’t know the difference between possessive and plural, and often tend to write everything as possessive. I am lazy, so my kids went to private school, but I really believe a dedicated parent doing home school is the best solution. Of course, only if they first educate themselves on the basics of our language.
I grew up in Australia (1970s), and in our little outback school I was well ahead of the curve. A new teacher started when I was in 5th grade, and he had his own set of World Book Encyclopedias. He allowed me to take them home, and I read them cover to cover. One day he met my dad and they got talking about politics. The teacher mentioned this one kid in his class who is brilliant, a sponge for information. Dad said “yeah, that’s my son.” The teacher was aghast. “How can he be your son? You’re just … a commoner, a truck-driver…” I wasn’t allowed to borrow the books after that.
Devil’s advocate here, without seeing the directions or exactly what the student was asked to of here could have contributed to some of these. Any chance the student simply didn’t follow directions?
Since you are so brilliant (yes, I am being sarcastic), you should know that condemning every teacher in every school in America (“The American school system”-your words) are bigoted words. I’m sorry that you have had such negative experiences. Please do not assign your negativity to myself or my colleagues. Educate yourself to what is happening in the American school system that is positive. I could give you numerous examples, but it sounds like you have closed your mind to hear them. I am sad that this is what you learned in school.
THIS SAYS IT ALL !!!! http://youtu.be/RdgzBNh6kEM SHOCKING!
Obviously, you missed a few items in grammar, but I understand what you are saying. My dad was an engineer also, and I learned to do math in my head and had shortcuts for learning about everything. My son was punished for being too far ahead of his classmates, and for seeing through the hypocrisy of the teachers. Get your grades at school, but your education at home. Teach our kids to stand up and argue with foolish teachers, too.
All good reasons to home school perhaps if enough families educate their children themselves they’ll put in a system that works.
Current American public schools were mostly designed along the so-called “factory model”, patterned after Henry Ford’s assembly line. The overall goal was to provide the majority of students with the basic skills needed to hold assembly line jobs…not to excel. At one time, private tutors were hired (where families could afford them) and/or ministers and priests stepped up to tutor kids in poorer families if they showed “promise”. Grade levels, requirements to move to the next grade etc. were mostly devised to manage the student population, not necessarily to benefit students. At least that is what I was taught in college education classes back in the 1970’s From the sound of this post, though, the main difference appears to be too many current teachers who actually believe that conformity and “teaching to the average” is best. If I remember correctly, most of my fellow students were absolutely appalled at this idea and repeatedly challenged the professor(s) over it. Of course, we were also marching in the streets and challenging the status quo just about everywhere.
I never once had a teacher tell me I was learning too much ahead or too fast. They loved me as a fast learner, and let me help other students (which helped develop social skill for a shy student.)
My 9th grade Algebra teacher recognized something in me and gave me my own board. He would take time to teach me all the “shortcuts’, fun tricks and advanced stuff. He took my tests (always 100% or better) out of the curve and encouraged me to help others because he knew something clicked differently so maybe I could explain it differently. For every teacher that has low self-esteem, there’s another that loves seeing kids succeed.
I was blessed with awesome teachers. I had a few mediocre teachers, but the majority were excellent. I belive I had some of the very best teachers. Goose Creek School District. 1970-1983
I was told my son was to well behaved and dicouraged other kids to not break the rules. That was 1st grade. That was a bad thing, he needed to “relax” and fit in with the other kids. Omg when he turned 16 all the goodie goodie went right out of him faster than I could blink!
I have never done math like everyone else but I always get the correct answer and faster than most. We are not all wired the same way.
I had some very good teachers, but I also had bad ones that were bullies.Some of the biggest bullies on the planet are mean teachers.
Kinda sounds like my husband’s job. All the slackers get promotions and my husband doesn’t even though he excells at what he does.
Schools are nothing but Marxist indoctrination centers. Home school or private school for the good of your children. If we spent half the resources on gifted children that we do on slow learners, America would be much further along than it is.
My 1st grade daughter also writes cursive. You go girl!
Everyone is to be equally dumb!
I have taught 8th grade physical science for 16 years in a public school and I have had my 3 stepsons and son go to public school. When I was dissatisfied with what the teacher was doing with my sons, I went and talked them about it and if needed i supplemented at home. If the teacher did show respect for my sons then I talked to them about it and if that didn’t work then went up the chain of command. Also I have worked with wonderful teachers who come early (in many cases a minimum of 1 hour) and stay late to prepare for their classes as well as be there to help students. If you are a bad teacher tenure does not prevent you from being fired, it only means that there is a procedure that must be done with evidence that the teacher is not competent (just like in the private sector). I will be honest – I have burnt out and am changing careers because if I can put my whole heart into it then it is time for me to step down because I care about my students education. What was frustrating was never the student who was advanced (as long as they were willing to be challenged and not expect to get special treatment and slide through class) but the student that does not show respect for their teachers and fellow students. I got tired of dealing with students who think it was ok to back talk and parents making excuses for them. Sorry for the length, just wanted to state my opinion.
Ignorance equality is here. We are well on our way to socialism.
Back when I was a junior in high school, I was having a lot of family problems and could not tell my parents about what was happening in my math class. My teacher kept failing me just because I showed all my work?? Anyway, the 2nd semester we got a new teacher and she had gone over my old tests and quizzes on her own and she realized that I was doing math at a college sophomore level. By that point I felt let down, not only by family, but the school as well and ended up dropping out because I just couldn’t handle it anymore.
I home schooled my son, but had to put him in public school for a few months in 3rd grade. His teacher said he was not allowed to write in cursive because the other kids didn’t know it. She then told another parent in front of him that he was slow because he was home schooled (I guess she forgot that he was ahead of the rest). From then on, he thought he was stupid and had a hard time in school until I pulled him back out and was able to home school him again. Thank God he was able to see himself for who he really is!
American became great because of Individualism. This is a direct attack on that. Part of the Globalist and Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America, with Collectivism.
Liberals war on Children
I’m guessing that most of this is baloney…
This, is the same crap ,that I went through, with my children! Their father and I, did everything we could, to make sure, that they, were able to excel, in school! I constantly had to fight, with the system, to make sure that my children, were not, de -educated! Even my oldest ,at college, had to fight, for her fair grade! The teachers didn’t think , she was as smart ,as she is!
You DO realize that the grammatically incorrect use of “to” for “too” is used in the second paragraph? That sort of error, in an article defending how “advanced” someone is academically negated every word I read afterwards. Sorry.
Apparently she wasn’t reading “to” well in third grade.
I had a teacher give me a C on an essay because she did not think I wrote it and accused my parents of writing it. At the time, I had not seen my parents in several weeks as I was living on my grandparents farm helping take care of the farm and my grandfather who had Alzheimer’s. Two years before, she had done the same thing to my brother. Several years later, I seen her waiting tables in a bar.
The current education system seems to be here to keep a bunch of sterile, unfruitful minds that don’t give a damn about what, or if, you learn, as long as you can recite the party line. That and that you CANNOT POSSIBLY have an independent thought.
From kindergarten through third grade I was allowed to move up a grade in reading because I was too advanced for the grade I was in. The entire school was great about it. Fourth -Sixth grade I was allowed to read whatever I wanted aong with the assigned reading for the class. I read Steinbeck and Pearl Buck in elementary school. Not all kids have bad experiences.
Political Correctness is killing our schools and country.
what was the woman’s response?
This is what the story of the Tower of Babel is all about, becoming bricks. If you have not hear of the story check out the explination that Glen Beck got from a Rabbi.
I went to school in a small town in Oregon during the late 40’s and 50’s, to make a long story short, we were taught to think for ourselves. We had penmanship one hour a week from the third grade through the 8th.
And yet when anyone attempts to change it, the move is decried as Socialism or Indoctrination or whatever else. I’m not singling out either side in this, because both sides do it, and it’s getting old.
I think this is bs. I might have believed it if it was one or two teachers, but every year? BS.
Good gracious. When students first learn cursive, it takes a lot of time. In fact, some students take so long forming the letters, they often lose sight of the task. For example, if students are responding in paragraph form. I often have students write in cursive on specific tasks, allowing for cursive practice, but not frustrating them. No hidden agenda. Wait for third grade , little first grader, so you are not frustrated in finishing tasks.
First of all, education is not run by teachers. It is run by money and by individuals who call themselves educators but are not in the classroom. They determine curriculum and materials. Secondly, for those who complain about tenure: it is like management in any other “business”. Poor teachers aren’t good teachers who become poor teachers. Management has 3 years and 1 day, to make the decision to give them tenure. Management should be in the classroom of new teachers to help, teach, and to dismiss them if they are not improving==prior to that three years and 1 day. But are they? No,n
ot in most cases. In fact, “management” is supposed to assess ALL teachers, even tenured ones, every year. FYI–the last prinicipal I had prior to retirement didn’t evaluate my performance even once! He would come to talk to me and to ask my opinion, but did not write up evaluations. In many districts, principalships are given as prizes rather than a position earned for knowledge and performance. So, I guess that’s kinda like business, too–even though individuals in business will deny it. Squeaking wheels, you know!
Good thing I’m in the school district that I’m in, we have 7th and 8th graders in 10th grade classes
too well — not — to well– in the 3rd grade missive. By the way you talk, You may be a bit .self righteous and overbearing. Not to mention that you were not actually held down or back, it challenged you. You are so much better than your peers and teacher that you brag about it.
Get rid of the NEA and teachers’ unions. The unions set the standard of incompetence by protecting the worst teachers with tenure. Protect and educate our children. Teachers pay averages just over $36,000.00 while the union leadership averages over $120,000.00. The union is made up of a bunch of empty suits whose only concern in preserving their own power and position sucking their fat salaries out of union dues paid by members and imposing their politics on the members and students. Stop tenure, stop the NEA.
Department of Education should be abolished and the states and local school districts go back to teaching our children,prior to the creation of the dept. of education in 1979 we were first in education,now we are so fall down the list we don’t even get a rating.
Wow. Yeah public Government State run schools are all about dumbing down the young up and coming population. Its all about prisoner training. Listened to the whole Freeway Rick Ross Alex Jones interview, he talks about that. Thug culture is a government psyop pushed by the music and Hollywood industry meant to land young adults in the prisons for profit institutions. Once there they got factories where one can make 25 cents an hour. 50 cents a minute to make a phone call to ones family members though.
My second grade teacher would tear up my completed homework assignments and throw them away, then take blank worksheets and stuff them into the back of my desk. This all started after I corrected her on her spelling of ‘chronicle’ in front of the class. She truly believe I should not have been able to spell the word or know its definition because I am from West Virginia. She also tried to convince my parents that I couldn’t read, I was reading on a fifth grade level at home because my older brother taught me to read before I reached the first grade. My parents complained and nothing was done by the administration and this was back in the 90’s. Don’t even get me started on my high school teachers. Public schools are the worst, there are more lazy and self important teachers than there are good teachers who actually teach. More often than not, the ‘teacher’ does not even have a degree in the subject they are teaching, or they are coaches for some sport and have to teach something to stay on the school staff. Like my Spanish II teacher, he didn’t know any Spanish yet he was teaching it, he was the girls soccer coach. Again my parents complaints fell upon deaf ears, schools do not care about academics anymore, they only care about sports.
You are obviously not a people person.
Because you are only giving your biased memory of each story… your point is completely invalid. You have opinions, not documented facts.
I think it is much more likely that you went out of your way to piss teachers off knowing that they did not appreciate you distracting the rest of the class. I think it is much more likely that these discussions and failings were the result of multiple, previous conversations. Because you think you know better than everyone else, and this is just speculation now, probably have an arrogant tone in all your classes, these are the culminayion of you being trouble maker. If your boss tells you to do something, and you go off and do it a different way to intentionally show your boss that you know better than them, eventually they will fire you too.
If you have a problem with the education system, go to school and become a teacher. Better yet, teach the teachers how to teacher the the teachers that teach the teachers how to teach.
I guess I don’t understand how such a genius was constantly ridiculed and harassed by so many different teachers at so many different schools. That seems either bizarre or made up.
Ever since Jimmy Carter nationalized the education system American education has been declining. Yet another example of how Democrats have ruined America.
I put mine in private .Mine is in second now . I taught her cursive while in first.Her 2nd grade teacher is amazed how far ahead she is. Because of me working with her since she was 2 . She LOVES school.
The public schools exist for indoctrination, not education.
I wanted to comment on Common Core and how education has been robbed by those who want to indoctrinate. As I read down through the various comments it occurred to me that most people really don’t get the problem.
So I offer this post to support the clarification of what education is in American public schools. I support charter schools and home schooling.
Interesting, indeed, that the long-winded first-person essay
is uncredited and unsigned.
But having experienced a teacher being wrong and having to
prove him so, I expect the article is true enough.
This is not about “the American school system” this is about weak-minded authoritarian female teachers who are all that is left to teach our children, everywhere. This authoritarian idiocy is spreading like a virus in all western countries, feminism, leftism, fascism.
Just because the teacher isn’t smarter than a 5th grader doesn’t give him/her the right to be mean to the student.
“My mom actually had a conversation with my 3rd grade teacher that I was reading to well….” How about some proof reading? I know it’s a tiny mistake, but if the whole point of the article is meant to highlight the brilliance of this kid…..
If you take the time and are a part of your childs education, they can get a good education in the public school system. You must interact with the teachers in a positive manner. All of my childrens teachers knew me personally. I made it a point to talk to each one and spend the time discussing the education process. Some were using teaching methods dictated to them by the system. Others would teach the “book” method and then alternate methods. Take the time to talk to the teachers and find out why they are teaching things the way they are. Sometimes it is a matter of what they are being directed to do. Offer to volunteer in classes if you have the time. Most teachers are doing the best they can within the constraints of the system. Of course, there are a few that aren’t the best educators and have given up. But they are really the minority. Remember, they are only tasked with teaching the information, not to discipline your child or teach them respect. That is our job as parents! Have a great day!!
I homeschooled my son. I had a teacher call me selfish for doing so because it isn’t fair to all the other kids when a few kids get special advantages!!!!! LOL! Amazing.
Here’s an idea! If its legislature deciding our children’s curriculum and what our teachers are and aren’t allowed to teach, why don’t we all just pull every single child out of school and teach them at home? Then there would be no reason for any of us to complain anymore. I’m sorry but my adopted mother was an elementary Jr high and high school teacher in every subject and she never shot a single student down due to the way they did their homework. She was one of the finest teachers you’d ever met for nearly 30 years. Tenure has nothing to do with it in our school.
My son was a wrestler. He and another boy were wrestling for 1st and 2nd place. It was a close match, but the other boy barely won. The boys hugged and patted each other on the back. His coach yelled at him “He beats you and you pat him on the back!” My son told the coach “He’s my opponent, not my enemy”.
This is my oldest. His first grade teacher would not allow him to use cursive and sent notes home to that effect. We (wife and I) laid into the incompetent lazy teacher.
What “woman’s response?” it’s stupid to make up headlines just for views.
I homeschool my son because of teachers like this. I will homeschool my daughter too when she’s old enough. I can’t stand the public school system. They don’t give a crap about the kids anymore, they want to dumb kids down and make everyone think school is about socializing. It’s NOT!
I don’t know what school your kids go to. But son’s first grade teacher tried to convince me to move my son to the second grade because he was smart. I said no. His second grade teacher has to give him extra work because he finishes it faster then other kids. He is seven and reads at a grade four level and they encourage him to keep it up. He can read a chapter book on his own. His teachers have been fantastic, so maybe you guys need to stop focusing on the bad and move your kids to a different class.
It’s ‘too’ not ‘to’ in your second sentence. Looks like you need further educating…lol
One can never read ‘to’ well. It’s too.
You don’t know the difference between “to” and “too” so perhaps you should have listened to your teachers just a bit more…
If you were reading ‘to well’ in the third grade, you might have noticed that it should be ‘too well’.
Thank goodness I went to private schools my entire life and actually got a real education.
Not all teachers are like that, my son learned to write his name in cursive in kindergarten and his teacher was so proud she was showing it off to all the other teachers
It’s not the American Education System that is at fault. It’s the Teacher’s Union who insist on keeping horrible teachers rather than caring about helping out the good ones or about the children.
This happened to me with my son in Wrestling. I was a fairly skilled wrestler and used many judo moves with success during my wrestling career. I started with Greco-Roman in grade school, through YMCA, then depending on circumstance, used it during HS. My coach encouraged it & several teammates had me show them moves.
I taught these to my son and when he did a 3/4 throw on the varsity starter (putting him flat on his back) .. the coach stepped in a lifted my son off of the kid, saying it was “a dangerous move with no place in the sport.”
He forbid my son from using any of the moves that he had learned, even though, each time he used them .. he would end up in a dominant position and win.
Instinctively, he did a lateral drop in a tournament, winning his match 5-0 (would have pinned the kid, with more time). It was a very close match and that move made the difference.
The coach pulled him from the tournament & banned me from attending any future matches. My son ended up quitting the team because of that pinhead.
You guys do realize that most of these are made up and have no evidence. I get that there are some dumb teachers out there, but for all we know the original image itself could be fake. Baaaaa.
I find it ironic that this is on a conservative site. The reason schools are like this is because of the “No Child Left Behind” campaign, created by WHO? Yes, good old George W. Bush the savior himself.
I found the article to be very true and sad. The point of NCLB is not to help your child excel, but to make sure those with learning disabilities are up to par, and those that are of higher intelligence around them be at that same level. No one is an individual, we are all the same.
The school system is so full of morons with a degree, it is just wonderfull to see so many idiots in one place, the sad part is we are entrusting our kids to these morons, and they are not worth the time, the paper, they are golrified garbage, with an ego, and small mind, I bet they get very lonely !!!!!
Hard to take you seriously when the second sentence has the word “too” spelled wrong.
Cursive is actually more natural for children and should probably be taught first, as it was during the time of our Founding Fathers. They wrote in cursive first and learned manuscript later, leading to the beautiful handwriting we see on the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. If you look at the way that children first write (scribbling), it really makes no sense that we insist on teaching them manuscript first and then complain that they don’t write cursive well later. And, truly, though some are removing cursive from the classroom, cursive writing helps a different part of the brain than manuscript.
My public school education was phenomenal. Our teachers worked on their own time to open our minds to new horizons. My drama teacher’s staged five shows every year and my chorus director introduced me to Mozart, Handel, Brahms, and many others who calm my soul on a stressful day. Some teachers bought books for me with their own money to expand knowledge only touched upon by my texts. You can whine about unions (hate that health care), tenure, and those outrageous salaries but I had dedicated hardworking teachers who loved seeing the light of understanding flash in the pupils of their pupils.
I am currently enrolled in a public school so I would say I have some knowledge about this sort of thing. In one of my classes, we are actually discussing the United States education system and how it is based on a 200 year old system. We are falling behind academically because they treat public school just like an Assembly line. Everyone should have a basic education. But besides that. We should be learning the way we want, as long as that pattern of learning does not make the situation worse. Example: When doing a math problem, there is usually multiple ways to solve an equation. Like in geometry, if students are more comfortable doing the problem a different way but getting the same answer in either the same time or shorter, then let them. There are a lot of good teachers out there. But some (which is over 75% of my teachers) are reluctant to let students carve their own way in THEIR education. Maybe it’s time the majority of teachers start listening to the students. It’s peoples right to question a system and try to make it better. Either in whole, or for them personally.
had no idea you can have a 1st grader already if when Harry Potter came on the scene you were in 1st grade yourself
Which is why we have crap like Common Core (but not sense) “math”…
i agree with this story bases on my own experiences.
These problems are way too common. I do have point out that the writer made a lot of spelling errors which has me questioning how true the back story is.
Mrs. Shoemaker , my 2nd grade teacher, gave me an F for writing an entire assignment in cursive because she had not taught us to write the entire alphabet yet and sent me to the principal for a swat. ’80-’81.
I’m sorry, but this is a load of crap and completely untrue.
No one that I have known has experienced even ONE of these problems.
We were always encouraged to do short hand and think outside the box, and to read read read, learn “big” words, practice writing and arithmetic. I call BS on this story.
I dont believe that it is EVERY teacher. Some teachers really try and make kids understand and are proud when they are intelligent beyond their years. It’s the government that tells them what standards to teach by and what goal they have to reach. Some teachers are just control freaks and can’t stand it if a kid is extraordinary. So they shoot them down and make them fail thinking it’ll help. But all it does is makes kids rebel. If you have a child that’s getting picked on our punished by the school for no reason, speak up.
My first grade teacher sent me to the office numerous times for “coloring too slow” where I met my now best friend whom she’d sent with me for “reading too much”
This is one of the reasons I’m going to be a teacher. This should not be happening!
Your second paragraph you used the wrong “too”, oh wise one.
He spelled “too” wrong in the second paragraph…I call b.s
My son was belittled by his 6th grade teacher. humiliated and demeaned to the extent of the child having to be hospitalized. He had the nerve to tell him, he was lazy and only capable of Below average work. Now that teacher is a principal of the school. and happy to say my son is an outstanding Baseball player and his recent report card: 4As and 3Bs.. below average my A$$!!
Keep in mind that the average GPA of students entering teaching college is a C minus. Second grade teacher, MS Perkins, failed every boy in the class. I still hold the schools record of thirty one “F”s and one D minus. It was later, five years, determined that I had the highest IQ the school had seen in two decades. She was fired and her license to teach was stripped for her efforts. If she is still alive and sees this I still hope you die in sever pain you miserable pile of feculence.
Can anyone else see or find the “woman’s response is legendary” part of this article? All I see is a bunch of people adding in their own personal complaints.
Its called Teachers Unions. Protecting the bad intimidating the good. Get rid of the Unions and you gain more control.
I could’ve written about 1/4 of those comments myself. In 1st grade I was reading between a 3rd and 4th grade level, but when I’d go to check those books out of the school library for silent reading time, I was told “no, those are for big kids”.
In 4th grade, my school district got the bright idea to take two kids out of each 4th grade class in the district to make a new 4th grade class to reduce overall class size. The teacher of this class quit within a month, we went through multiple subs before getting a permanet teacher. That year I FAILED math, every kid in class failed AT LEAST one subject, but I found out years later (remained friends with the teacher into high school), that when she turned in F’s for every single student, she was told “give them D’s they’re going into 5th grade next year”. It *might* have turned out ok, expect in Nov, the 5th grade teacher had a heart attack. We only had a few subs before getting a permanet teacher, but I got even more behind in math. Come summer break, I was promoted into 6th grade even though I had learned NO math in two years. I spent the remainder of my school years convinced I was just “stupid” when it came to math. It wasn’t until college when I went back to basic math and worked my way up that I FINALLY grasped concepts that should’ve been taught in 4th grade.
In 7th grade I asked my mom why, at different times, the moon is a different brightness, looks closer, etc. She told me to ask my science teacher. When I did, he told me “we’re not studying that this year so you don’t need to know”.
To the second comment in the screenshot, I can’t resist. You said “reading to well”.
That error in proper English made me take their whole argument less seriously. Also, the woman said she was a great musician way ahead of her class on the recorder flute? Did I read that right? I’m a drummer and I can play the recorder flute.
I re read the music part, it said piano, my bad.
The post is fabricated. Look at the pic. The same hand wrote the name “and” the comment.. check each letter, and how it is shaped. This website fabricates stories, and presents them as true. The lying liars are not to be trusted.
I noticed that “to” was spelled incorrectly in the second paragraph.
Second paragraph: Unfortunately, this teacher didn’t spend enough time differentiating between “to” and “too”…
I would be the happiest grandmother in the world if my first-grade granddaughter could read at grade level or above. She is dyslexic and her school has no dyslexic therapist, nor do they accommodate the student as recommended in her evaluation by a PHD in dyslexia. Thank God your child is so brilliant and don’t let any teacher hold her/him hold them back!
Too bad the first paragraph is misspelled for someone who read “to” well 😉
I can relate… my 8th grade math teacher failed me(Back when they could “fail” you just because they didn’t think you were ready…no matter what your grade in the class was) because I was able to find easier ways of doing problems. Because of my dilemma in Algebra, I wasn’t able to get through Calc like I should have. I then had to teach myself Calc and CLEP out of Calc 1 and 2 in my starting year of college…
The child in these examples was a victim of bullying behavior exhibited by the teachers. When other children see a peer being chided, they immediately assume that person is defective and this creates a type of social isolation or ostracizing. Bullying begins when children think it’s okay to admonish someone for being different. This happened to someone I know. When she was in second grade, her teacher told her not to ask so many questions during a specific subject because it was disrupting the classroom. The girl was simply very interested in the subject and the truth of the matter was that she was asking questions the teacher couldn’t answer without looking it up. Needless to say, the following year her peers began to tease and ridicule her.
Also – it has been very clear to me for a very long time that public education is all about conformity. Truth doesn’t matter. Intelligence doesn’t matter. All students must learn by a standardized curriculum (even when it is inaccurate) and any deviance from it means the student is displaying unacceptable behavior. Smart students are dumbed down by this system, instead of nurtured into advanced education.
It’s no wonder that homeschooling has grown so large, and brick and mortar schools are seeing declining numbers in the student body.
I’d be more inclined to believe you were an advanced reader if your first paragraph didn’t contain a spelling error… The phrase, “I was reading to well”, is incorrect… In this circumstance, the proper spelling of the word is “too.”
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. You have created a false enemy in vilifying teachers to discredit public education. It is the corporations that are attempting to take over education, attempting to rewrite history for their benefit, attempting to indoctrinate children, and it’s the very thing conservatives support.
This was my life growing up and honestly it just gave me the attitude to stop caring about school early off and to never bother putting my effort into it ever since. I could have done so much better with my life too :/
I was told all through school that I didn’t belong in regular classes because I was severely dyslexic. It started in kindergarten my teacher failed me for things like not napping and not coloring the “right” way and because I used a mirror to read. Although my iq tested higher than the average adult my elementary school teachers would make fun of me in front of class often.
I’m an adult now and understand that the one with the problem was them but this was very discouraging and carried through highschool and even into college. In an honors class in highschool the teacher made me sit in the front of the class and told everyone I needed to sit there so she could keep an eye on me. She said I belonged in directed classes because I had an IEP and now it was on to make sure I kept up.
I know their are good teachers out there I’ve had a few but I’ve not had a single year of public school where a teacher or faculty didn’t try to shame or humiliate or even try to fail me.
When I was in middle school we took reading aptitude tests, and then were told what our reading level was. We then had to read books at our level and take tests. Well the test said that I was reading at a college level, but our library only went up to 10th grade, and only had one book at the 11th grade level. Since they were not college level books, I automatically had ten points taken off of my tests. Not the same as these, but frustrating nonetheless.
This more or less describes my experience with Public school.. never had trouble in Private School though… Whats better then private? Homeschool!!
Not all teachers are bad, I did choose to homeschool because of the schools tendency to control creativity and individualism. Our society rewards people for for joining the flock and not standing out. It condemns those who step out of line even if it is for the better. I know several teachers that encourage their students to excel and teach their students that it is ok to be themselves but it is up to us as a society to make changes and to voice our opinions and to accept people even when they are different, smarter or work at their own pace. This issue goes much farther than just in our schools
In reading the comments I notice that people are missing the point. These are individuals with high egos. Key word, “Individuals.” But people are jumping into blaming all or certain systems, when the real blame is on the individual. I had good, well meaning,and misunderstanding teachers. I’ve also had teachers who clearly had the lesson planned for them. But they did encourage me in moving beyond when I wanted to. (They knew I was too advanced for them, but knew that I was stuck with it.) The point I’m making is that I don’t look at them as a whole. I look at each and every one of them individually. How they each helped in moving me forward, or holding me back. The people mentioned above are people with a fixed view with how the world should work. One being that the student should not be better than they are. Forgetting the simple fact that moving beyond the teacher should be the teacher’s goal. And it should make the teacher proud to be the one to help the young mind reach this.
I call bullshit on this post.
I call bullshit on all your posts.
No all this shows is that there are asshats that are teachers……EVERY JOB has some!
My 4th grade teacher called my mother and told her that there had to be something very wrong with me after I turned in a very well written book report. The book I chose was The Amityville Horror. Apparently the book I chose contained material that frightened her. Intelligence is no longer in schools, it is feared.
This is possibly true; however, your incorrect spelling and poor prose suggests otherwise.
I encourage my students to think, be different, challenge the system and question the world around them. However, they’re more interested in the latest video game, who said what online, gossiping, and avoiding hard work that challenges them. They lack self-discipline, creativity, and passion. I often leave work wondering why most of the students don’t seem to care about the world around them and value an education, and I go to great lengths to stimulate their interests – most of which are superficial. Stop writing articles about the few bad teachers that exist. I had them, you had them, and they’ll always be there the same as lousy bosses and annoying co-workers. Suck it up, move on, and focus on improving yourself as a student, teaching your kids to value education, and contribute to society.
tell me again, why do they get tenure? most peoples jobs do not include a tenure bonus….
Not mine – do you have tenure where you work?
When I was in 3rd Grade. My teacher told me to not read such an advanced book, because I could not possibly understand it. I did not read a book voluntarily again until high school. I was tested the following year with a college level reading and comprehension. It was a book about NASA. This was in the early 80’s. This has been going on for DECADES!!!!! I have a genius level IQ and write high volume e-commece websites for a living.
My geometry teacher in high school kicked me out of class because I did a proof in a different way with fewer steps than he used. Principal asked why I was in the office again so I told him(not my first run in with this teacher). he asked for my work so I wrote it down from memory. He looked it up and told me I was right so why was I here? Told him the teacher didn’t like my proof method so he kicked me out.
This was the 9th time this teacher booted me for not doing things exactly his way, the principal told me to follow him back to class and went at it with the teacher right in front of the class telling him that if anyone was sent from his class again for doing a problem the right way he was fired. Very next day the teacher flunked me on a test because I used the methods I had learned on my own that were shorter but still right. I had it and went to the principal and demanded an A+, he gave me the grade then marched to the math classroom and fired the teacher on the spot for flunking people who did nothing wrong.
Teachers union tried to get him reinstated and it landed in court. I was a witness and when the judge heard my story, saw my homework and tests and had a college professor grade them he upheld the firing telling the teacher he is not only there to teach, he is there to learn and that ways of solving problems change and evolve and there is often more than 1 right answer for a geometry proof.
People need to stand up against these thugs in the classroom, my case was back in 1978 and I was known as a rebel to the teachers because I absorbed things easily and never had to take stuff home. Had an english teacher boot me from class because I was doing some computer programming. He had told us to read a chapter in the book we were working from. I had read the entire book the first week of class and skimmed it when he said read it. He told me that there was no way I read an entire book in a week and booted me.
I can read a book in 2-3 hours if I enjoy it and he was a troll who thought everyone was stupid and could not read(some classmates couldn’t, he read aloud every other week driving me nuts). After being booted 4 times I was told to just go to the electronics lab or the computer lab depending on what I was working on and I was given an A again for the class.
To many teachers do not teach, they bully and try to force people to learn at one pace. That is why so many kids are being told they have adhd these days and put on drugs. They are bored to death and fidget or do other homework. Everyone learns at a different pace and a different way, some can read something and grasp it, others need to see it explained visually, others need to have it told to them and all kids should be turned loose to learn in their own way and at their own pace.
Offer advanced classes like i was able to take, I had 2 years of chemistry, 2 years of physics, 3 years of electronics and computer programming(I was an assistant teacher third year for these), and I took the first year of college calculus in one semester. If a kid is not inclined to learn that way move them to a traditional classroom and go that route but independent study with the teachers available for an hour a day for questions would be far better than common crap they foisting off as education now.
I would just like to say that not all American schools are like t his. I started reading Harry Potter in second grade, and my teacher encouraged it. I have excelled and gone above my teachers’ expectations, and they’ve done nothing but pushed me to do better. They’ve let me learn how it works best for me. But the teachers that do put limits on learning styles are not truly there to teach…
How dare you make blanket comments re: educators or education in America….it’s like me stating that all conservatives are a-holes. It’s not true. Nor are all liberals jerks. By the way, it’s “too” not “to” in your article. Guess you aren’t as smart as you thought.
I am a school teacher, and I agree that the things done and said by the educators in this article are ridiculous. I believe in and encourage students to think for themselves. It frustrates me when I have students who want me to give them everything or think for them. I encourage different ways of thinking and creativity. I love it when I have students who take the concepts from class deeper, higher, and wider than the curriculum requires. There are a lot of things wrong in public education, however there are a lot of good things happening also. Students whose parents cannot afford private school or home school get the opportunity to learn from great teachers like myself. In every organization, there will be people who make stupid choices, even in your own household. Instead of complaining, help find a solution. If you aren’t part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
If this person had any kind of education and was as intelligent as they claim (this story is quite obviously made up), then they’d recognize their argument for the hasty generalization that it is. Am I saying this never happens? Of course not. Is it wide spread? Of course not. Crap like this is the exception, not the rule.
Consequently, if you insist that this story is true, please allow me to set you up with a guy I met on the internet. He’s a French model.
I am so sorry that you have had experiences with teachers who were afraid they were inferior to you, a child, and would not allow you to show and share your strengths. Not all teachers are that way and I work with many who are nothing but supportive and encouraging to the students they work with every day. Yes, in the 6 school districts I have been in during my 25 years of teaching, I have seen the teachers you describe but for each bad teacher I have seen, I have also seen an excellent teacher who encourages creativity and learning above and out of the box. In the district I am currently in, we do not have tenure and yes, we are a public school. We are also one of the top schools in the state with teachers who bend over backwards to not only see students strengths but help encourage those strengths to grow.
I will say again that I am sorry that you have had some teachers that have been restrictive, afraid, wrong but I am sure if you were to look back you also had teachers that were loving, encouraging and supportive. Honor them and speak out when you see a bad teacher so that the good ones who are in the shadows can be seen.
So…the son is 7 years old and the mother got in trouble for reading Harry Potter in the first grade? The earliest possible date she *could* have read Harry Potter is 2001, the year the first book was released. Assuming she was 6 years old when she entered school she *should* be around 20 or 21 today…but the son is 7 years old? So she had the child at age 14 and managed to still be a model student?
Jeez conservatives are flipping stupid.
I had about 0 of these issues going through public school.
Granted, my school had some fantastic teachers, so maybe I just got lucky.
Remember the good old days when talented kids were bumped up level grades to challenge them and bring out the best of them at an early age instead of being told to dumb down so the other kids don’t get their feelings hurt? Pepperidge Farm remembers…
My poor experience with the public education system caused me to leave it in favor of a poor and easy education online. It got me into the Marine Corps, so good enough for me.
just another brick in the wall.
Hey self absorbed hero aka josh, its “reading too* well”. I guess you and your parents didn’t teach you how to spell.
I’ve this thing as far back as the start of the internet.
It’s a load of crap made up by someone who thought very highly of themselves. If a teacher is complaining that you’re too smart then it stands a good chance that they really aren’t complaining about that and you’ve got some other issue. There’s a small chance they the kids had a crazy teacher but more than likely they figured that it “wasn’t their fault they were too smart” which usually translates to “I got bored”.
I got detention almost every day in 1st grade because I was able to do simple addition and subtraction at a fast rate because I was already working on my multiplication tables at home… My teacher accused me of cheating off other students even though I was much further ahead of them
Also part of the problem is the GOOD teachers have no control whatsoever. We are seeing this right now in our district. We had a kid beat on a teacher, a very good teacher who had to defend himself against this little thug and guess who went down, THE TEACHER! We are fighting for his career right now!! If America doesn’t wake up and start taking control and being proactive nothing is ever going to change. Things are only going to continue to get worse and worse. We can sit on these comment boards and complain all we want but if we don’t start putting our words to action we have no one to blame for the decline of America but ourselves. Rise up America and take back our schools and our country!! #standwithcoachkelly
Anyone who sends their kids for government propaganda and indoctrination in the day concentration camps of government schools is too poor, too stupid, or too genuinely uncaring about their own children to buy them a real education instead. Like giving them moldy free government cheese instead of buying them steak. Only fools would screw up their own kids by sending them to today’s public schools.
Public schools are designed to give minimum education for a low quality life.
“Reading to well” ~that certainly says something.
Also…I love how 8 individuals represent “The American School System”
only one way to fix this problem is to get rid of the Dept of Education in Washington and outlaw the unions. Period.
I like the quote, “We need a generation of Thomas Edisons.” So here’s how. Prepare every child for a Ph.D. by replacing Common Core and other failed curricula with http://www.robinsoncurriculum.com taught the author’s way to mastery by which he produced 5 kids with or getting Ph.D.’s from Cal Tech. Add in state of the art Bible understanding by having every child learn a Gospel – Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John – from the Bible so they can pray it from memory always. That’s all it takes, now please go make it happen!
Applying that solution to mission statements promoting
2) Limited government – $1.1 Trillion is not limited government. Voting fails to limit government. What is needed is a generation of Ph.D.’s, who mostly don’t need governing.
I`m 76 years old and this has been going on for far too long. I faced this in HS, that`s why I for one rebelled.
WE ARE SO LOST . . .
This is a bunch of uncited bullshit.
I had very good gifted and talented classes several years in a row. Since they had mastered 5 th grade curriculum, I went on to teach them more advanced math and language and enrich their learning. The teachers in the middle school complained they were too far ahead and I needed to stop teaching them so much! We do a lot to accommodate those with learning disabilities, but in today’s climate, often those who are gifted are considered a problem because they get bored as teachers cater to the average or below average student or because they may make those less gifted feel inferior.
I can understand one or two teachers being a problem but when the majority of your teachers are problems, then maybe they aren’t the problem but you are.
That’s a stupid way of looking at things
That’s reality. If you’re an employer and are interviewing a prospective candidate who has been fired from eight of his lat jobs, that probably means that he is a problem employee not that the last eight employers are the problem.
Same here. He has a consistent problem with teachers which means that probably the issue lays with the student and not the teachers. Pretty simple logic to follow.
My sister asked her math teacher a question on her assignment and he responded with “”Did you use the online site I gave you at the start of the year”” So she went home looked it up on the site and was still confused. By the time my parents got home, supper was made, and chores were done. At 9:00 P.M. my sister said, “”I know you are tried and busy, but I don’t understand my math””. Two hours later the assignment was done.My mom went to the school and nothing was done. Multiple parents were outraged and signed petitions, but the teacher remains.
What kind of teacher has their students get help online instead of from the teacher. This is outrageous. Sure your parents are to help with homework, but it clearly shows your sister learned nothing in class and thus your parents had to take time out of their day to assist her.
I agree. While it’s good for parents to check homework and discuss what they learned in class, the majority of classroom learning should be done at school not out.
My mantra: HOME SCHOOL!
Teachers are part of the problem, but the biggest problems are the parents, the ones who don’t give a rats hat and think that the teachers should also do the parenting and be the social mediators, teaching them manners, morals and all the things that parents are supposed to do, or that think that their little “Jimmy or Jenny” wouldn’t cheat or do the bad things. The helicopter parents who think their little darlings are perfect and anyone that disagrees is being abusive or a bully. and the final parent who blames the teacher for giving the child homework, or challenges the child to do better.
Schools are programmed to treat students by the numbers, and NO getting out of line! If you are doing things differently from others, YOU are the problem! The fact you may be right is immaterial, you disturb their ‘flow’ for the class. I had an artistic bent To learn to write my ABC’s in block form, they gave dotted lines which I was supposed to line over. Later, we were to write them without these dotted lines. Mistakenly, I thought I had to put in the dotted lines, THEN lined over them. The fact I did this in the same time frame others doing simple block lettering upset the teacher. Luckily, I soon learned to NOT show flashes of over-accomplishment. The rest of my schooling I did with little studying, and received only B’s & C’s, as I refused to do homework (BORING!), BUT, I did get a lot of A’s on the tests.
IMO, the public (and some private) academic establishments are Public Enemy No. 1. The so-called theoreticians have ruined public education since their ascendancy to control in the early 50s and especially through the 60s.
And yet kids from years ago (the “abused” ones) know how to read and write, are educated and respectful, and have decent jobs. Kids now days cannot read, write (spell), are disrespectful and clueless. Rather than attack and blame teachers, how about parents taking responsibility and teaching their kids to do the same. How about parents working WITH the teachers, not against them. Parents need to be more involved, meet with the teachers and set a plan or goal for the child. Parents need to hold their children responsible for their actions, not excuse their behavior, otherwise they cause them more harm than good. People do not like hearing the truth, but it’s there, and it’s not going away.
I had this very same problem when my oldest child was in 2nd grade. It was my child’s first year in a public school and he wrote in cursive legibly. His teacher instructed him to not write in cursive because they hadn’t begun to teach it. He would have to wait another year. My son was bummed. I debated but finally relented. When we kept getting another child’s finished work sent home because the first names were the same and the last names were so extremely similar, as was the children’s script handwriting, teacher said she didn’t know how to fix the problem. I suggested that she let my son use cursive to set the papers obviously apart. She relented. This teacher was a kind lady and a good teacher but it was as if she had one single path that she had to follow and manage to get all her students to walk it as well. As if her hands were tied, pardon the expression.
Kind of glad I went to school in the fifties. Hard to believe that they are trying to kill any ambition to do well of any child…
Love how parents are so quick to attack teachers. Parents, wake up…everyone but YOU is raising your kid. Start acting like a parent and raise your child.
I learned to read at 4 yrs old. By the time I started kindergarten, I was advanced in my reading and writing. The teachers encouraged me and supported me. I graduated at 16 yrs old. Teachers helped and encouraged me. If you don’t like what the teacher is doing, meet with the teacher. Set up a plan and team up with the teachers.
When public school system apologists gives the argument about a child’s “social skills” THEY HAVE LOST. That is your hint that they already are admitting that home-schooled children are SMARTER and BETTER.
School is NOT for developing social skills, they are for learning the subjects/courses in their schedule. Plus the fact that home-schooled and church-attending children are actually better because they interact more with elders and betters aside with people of various age groups.
Awesome take down of public schools!
I am a public school teacher. I would never do ANY of the vile things listed I this article.
I try everyday to educate children to think for themselves.
The generalization and stereotypes in this article are as bad as the things you say you want to fight against
I’m pretty sure this isn’t a case of school system preventing students from excelling. It looks more like a teacher catching “Mommy” in the act of doing her child’s homework.
Just WHERE is the Woman’s response about Cursive writing? I couldn’t find it.
I can tell you from experience that bullying is another method the schools use. Kids target anyone who stands out, and the teachers do nothing to help the victim, or worse, they punish the victim for complaining.
We absolutely must exterminate the Liberal Vermin that infest our school system. If they succeed in corrupting our children, then we are lost.
And teach your children to trust nothing about the education system. Take the education they give you, but only believe the “hard” stuff like mathematics and physics. Parrot the rest back, but never believe it. Be subtle as snakes. Give nothing back to the system. Whatever you say will be taken down and used against you. Treat them as if they were enemy captors interrogating you as a POW. Know that the teacher is a cop who wants to destroy you; a tyrant who wants to enslave you, a spy who wants to betray you.
Sorry about that, good teachers, but you have the responsibility to take the schools back. Harangue, harass, and if necessary, terrorize the Liberal Vermin out of the system. Otherwise, you’re part of the problem, too. No prisoners. No quarter.
I AGREE completely with this student and his family- !!!!!!!. The sociist / communist methods should NOT be allowed in OUR schools .
My sister was accused of plagiarism her freshman year of high school by the English teacher. The teacher told my parents that she wrote to well for a freshman. She is now a copy editor and writer for a newspaper!
The solution is vouchers and let schools compete with other schools. Many private schools can do it cheaper than public schools anyways.
It is well known that our educational system is lacking despite the large amounts of money thrown into the system. One of the problems is the parents of today not being involved as much as the past to raise enough concern to change the policies. The other is the policies themselves that are enforced and written by many non-educators.
The reasoning behind this issue is that the teacher or teachers in question don’t want to look bad at doing what they’re paid to do so they make the child look bad instead. Be glad you have students that excell in those subjects. Don’t bring them down because you look bad.
Today, I would home school my kids.
I was reading a newspaper before kindergarten. I guess my mom screwed up.
I was one of those kids who always finished early, got straight A’s, until I was in 7th grade… I finished, and they would set me in a special place while I waited for everybody else to catch up… They made me think that it was a bad thing that I was smart…
by the time I got into algebra in 7th grade, the teachers were so boring that I could no longer sit still for it… Nobody gave me the opportunity to go to an advanced class, and I had no idea that there was such a thing anyway… My parents were no help in the matter, and so I fell through the cracks… Nevertheless, I always excelled in the classroom, but never did my homework… I always passed my tests, but still ended up in the bottom quarter as a result…
Now, after all these years, I see what public schools do to people… They cater to the lowest common denominator, while allowing the smartest and the richest in innovation to fall through the cracks…
However, I have never let this slow me down, I have always done my own thing… I learned by reading on my own, by making my own experiences, and by doing those things I thought would make me a better and more useful person… I have not been better over it, but in fact have been instilled with a sense of accomplishment that I did not need any stars, or any citations, or any awards, to be a better person…
This world is what you make of it, so do not let a public school hold you back… Teach that to your children…
Before I started to school, my mom taught me to write in cursive, count and write to 100 and to learn and write the alphabet, (which was a long time ago) and my teacher wouldn’t let me write my name in cursive either.
And here I was stupid enough to believe that the education system was there to “Educate our children and to encourage those that are the best and brightest to do better in order to succeed as well as to encourage those of us that were a little less than the best and brightest to do better in order to succeed!
I have a 15 year old grandson, and a 16 year old grandson. Their mom and I discovered last week that they don’t know cursive, because the schools don’t teach it anymore. What happens when they need to sign their names?
Where is the Legendary response? That changes the validity of this whole piece.
American schools have become a data bank, and has nothing to do with educating our young… We need to veer away from Common Core and go back to the STEM System, the top twenty countries in quality of education, all use the STEM System….
a mexican kid was thrown out of english class because he didnt know how to speak english.
my kindergarten teacher also told my mom to stop teaching me because i was too far ahead of the class my mother gave her the worse curse out of her life. then in 5th grade we had to write a short story about how the seasons came about in a greek mythology way and when i read mine my teacher responded with “and you expect me to believe a 5th grader wrote that?” in front of the whole class…
My 6th- and 7th-grade teacher required me to use cursive rather than printing. My internal response was that printing is the standard of the world. When was the last time you saw a magazine, book, or newspaper in cursive? Now I use my own home-grown short hand with which I can go nearly 100wpm. I have about 350 symbols, and 200 of the most commonly used words are a single character each.
I was strong in math, science, art, and music, but terrible in reading and the things that required a lot of it like history and literature. My 8th-grade teacher saw the value in my using a slide rule even though the other kids neither had one nor were they taught to use one (this was slightly before the days of calculators); but unfortunately the same teacher tried to force me to get better at reading by making me read more, which only reinforced the bad habits that kept my reading so poor. The next year, in high school, a speed-reading class was offered before school in the mornings one quarter, so my parents signed me up. Various tools were used to break the bad habits that were holding me back, and my reading speed quadrupled while my comprehension doubled– and it pretty much stuck.
Trying to force a kid to do or not do something a certain way is foolish.
It’s not the teachers that are to blame…it’s the administration that allows misguided teachers to continue to teach their own versions AND it’s people like PBUH who run away and hide rather than taking a stand when things like this do happen.
Charter schools rule
This is not right. I would pull my child out of that school so fast it would make their head swim.
My grandson was pulled from a reading program when he was in 2nd grade in October of 2013 because he had met grade level. My daughter did not find out until Feb. of 2014 at a parent/teacher meeting. This was done by order of the principal of the school, when my daughter found out she call the principal and told her that from now on no decision about his education was to be made without her being consulted. So far so good this school year.
This kind of intimidation by teachers has been going on for YEARS. My high school “Senior Problems” teacher (who also taught band) told me when I pointed out (privately, NOT in front of the class) that he was wrong about a comment he made about B’nai Brith that if I didn’t put down HIS answer on the test, I’d fail. This was in 1959. I called his class “Lockhoven Says” instead of Senior Problems because we had to regurgitate what he told us, right, wrong or indifferent–if we wanted to pass.
Our rural school district refuses to acknowledge that our son is on the Autism spectrum even though he was diagnosed by a developmental pediatrician at the age of three and already received therapies privately. By denying his diagnosis, they try to avoid having to spend funds on therapies that are state mandated but assured me I “could have him tested.”. What a crock!
Its time like this that we need to do what this amazing video is showing http://www.abundancewithmark.com/video-this-will-leave-you-speechless/
There is a short story by Kurt Vonnegut called “Harrison Bergeron”. It speaks of a future society where people are not only equal in the eyes of God and the law, but equal every which a way.
I think they’re trying to achieve this society.
My daughter is in 5th grade, and her teacher is telling her she is not allowed to write anything in cursive cause “she (the teacher) hasnt taught it yet ??? WTF…she is in 5th grade…what is the teacher waiting for?? OHHHH!! common core isnt teaching cursive at all anymore…The most important document EVER is written in cursive..(The declaration of Independence )if you cant write it…you cant read it…
Good and Bad Teachers. Good and Bad Methods. Common Core is not one of the good methods. All schools are not equal nor are the school boards, Principals, Administrators all equal or fair. Want a good education, go to pvt school or Home School….. then you and the student are in control…. God Bless.
I’m on mobile right now so I can’t fully navigate this page but you did source this as well as get permission from the original poster to repost this here right? Because I couldn’t help but notice that you cut out the names of the tumblr uses who were the original commenters in the post. Or is it just that you pulled this from elsewhere/another person who decided to not source that it is from a tumblr user. I know it is because I have seen the original post and have commented on it myself. Just wondering.
it’s all about indoctrination and NOT learning! been that way since the beginning of the Dept of Education.
This proves the fact that it is the incompetent teachers who drag our kids down. Kids have trendous potentials, these fools need to think out of box and get outta way of their success.
Get your kids out of public schools.
The Big Commie Gov Corp is enslaving your kids with communist
indoctrination. They intentionally fail to teach individuals enough math to make change for a dollar after 12 years, so they teach collectivism,
groupism, and statism, so that they have more fingers to count on.
Nothing more than a centralized, tyrannical, dictatorial, gov, shleeple,
slavery, control system.
Home school! Seems the most logical explanation. I do. Quit my nursing career because my kids upbringing was more important than a cushy lifestyle.
The teacher was upset because the kid is smarter than she. We have a shortage of smart teachers.
Please understand that some of these problems are caused by individual teachers, not the school system as a whole. Some of these problems are mandated from the district, and those are bad districts. Not every place is like this. Please know that not every teacher is like these teachers. I’m sure not. The most discouraging thing I have to tell students is not to give answers immediately so that other students have time to think of an answer, too. That’s why hand raising is important even in high school. Too many kids are taught that some other smart guy is going to get the answer for them and so refuse to try to think for themselves.
This is all part of the dumbing down of America so we don’t offend any 3rd world countries it is not about excellence anymore it is a liberal agenda to make a country of stupid followers NOT leaders
private school, get the flowers out of the weeds, maybe you will have to sacrifice but it will be worth it believe me. I did it, best thing
the school board should be controlling their teachers
they should know what is going on in the schools they represent
if not–WHAT ARE THEY THERE FOR?
–POLITICS?–TO LOOK GOOD IN THEIR COMMUNITIES?-or to make sure the students are getting the best education they can?
“7 year old son SHOT DOWN (my emphasis) by 1st grade teacher” is a poor choice of words in our current society. It grabs your attention but gives the wrong impression. A little less sensationalism would be a good thing.
When I first saw the chicken scratch on the paper I thought it was a 1st graders printing but, it was the teachers? UNBELIEVABLE!!! How did the teacher ever pass handwriting in school? Oh ya,,,They don’t grade handwriting anymore!
Some teachers are downright scary with their idealogy…..posted here on facebook…….TENURE has cost a lot of problems….good for the teacher(good or bad), bad for the student(good or bad),,it shouldn’t be
When my oldest son was in 5th grade he was the only white boy in the class. The teacher who is also white had a conference with other teachers and the school principle before giving my son the grades he deserved. He had the highest grades in class. That same teacher asked us to have our youngest son tune down his question. At a field trip to Huntsville s[ace center the only person who was able to answer his question was an actual NASA engineer.
I homeschool problem solved
i have thought what this article said for a long while. i was advanced in math being in 12th grade math in 8th grade. and in college level calculus and trig in 10th grade. my teacher in 9th grade (my college algebra class) hated me because i did not take notes ever class but could get 95-100% correct even without them. i took down what i did not know and skipped what i did. she would give me lunch detention, which i skipped out on every time as there were no real consequences for it. and she would also give me lower grades then i should have gotten and i would call her on it she would write me up but after speaking to the principal she would get in trouble. they went to uniforms when i was in high school as well. and i hated them, everyone look the same, no individuality. but they said we could wear hoodies and sweaters ect as long as they had no offensive language or pictures. i had one that was black and green just a weird design but nothing bad. i would wear it or another plain colored hoodie everyday even when its warm because i wanted to wear a t shirt. she would try to make me take it off. she said take that hoodie off its too warm in here just to try to write me up.
We too are parents that refuse to allow the schools to hold our kids back. Lucky for us we are in an area where high IQ’s and expectations are the norm. Still, there are times when they seem to make up their own rules and need to be challenged.
If your schools suck just make sure you teach them that the majority do things one way and the exceptional do them another. Our kids have to integrate in the world eventually so make sure they are in the right mindset to NOT end up like the sheeple.
THIS is why we homeschool. There are some things kids need to know, but the most important thing for kids to know is HOW TO LEARN.
Went through school in the 50’s and 60’s either I was uncommonly lucky or the teachers were far better in that time period as I ran into none of the problems the person above did. My parents backed me when I was right but didn’t blame the school system when I was the one being a little jerk. There was right and wrong back then and everyone knew what was what, something I think is missing from today’s society.
they have to keep everybody on the same level so nobody has hurt feelings. no matter if it’s school,military basic training etc.
Governor of Little Rock, Arkansas? Little rock is a city, not a state. How does it have a Governor, and not a mayor?
Here we are seeing the dumbing down of American children.
People that lump all teachers in a category do not understand what’s really going on. It’s easy to put blame on the teachers (who, mostly, are parents, too, and understand the frustrations!). Teachers have very little protection in most states. If you really want to make a difference, if you really want to complain, then GO to your kids’ PTA meetings and…STAND UP. GO to your district’s monthly public meetings and…STAND UP. Speak! You pay for this in your taxes! Speak up! Teachers simply cannot do it. I am working on my BA and certification to be a EC-6 teacher, but I am aiming for private school; at the very least, the best public school I can find. Things will not change until parents stand up or until money in the system is affected. Unfortunately, you can’t just withhold your tax money. Imagine if we could!
My elementary school librarian wouldn’t let me read the 7th grade level books I loved in kindergarten. Also I tried doing the math problems my way as well and was failed for doing so..
This could have been said of any of my children’s experience with public schools.
If you are going to send your kids to public school then you have to beat them at their own game.
It is a sad fact that the LIBERAL idiots have taken over the schools in this country.The very same type of people that get into politics. They think they are better than anyone else and know more than anyone else and want to “Tell” everyone how and what to do. “They” want to protect us from us. “They” don’t think we are smart enough to do what we need to do or that what is “Right” in “Their” opinion. Over the last 30 to 50 years, the schools have slowly been turned away from “education” to “Indoctrination” of our
children. This must be stopped immediately. Local citizens must DEMAND that local school system stop being politically correct and enforcing such stupidity, eliminate the zero tolerance idiocy policies that have taken over where common sense should rule, and get back to the job of educating students. Fire any administrator or teacher that tries such controlling practices and promote those with common sense into positions with authority within the school system. If this doesn’t happen this country will cease to exist
within 1 or 2 more generations.
Hey, these situations sucked, but screw you if you think that applies to the whole system. For every one of those bad teachers there are at least two who have a passion for education. Don’t strawman this situation, or else you end up treating them the way they treated you. Be better than them. That’s how you fix things, you be and do better than those who worked against you.
Dumb ’em down, they’re easier to control then. (Sarcasm intended)
I had a 6th grade teacher mark everything wrong in math because my equation never matched hers! My grade average in her class was a C! Although my answer was always correct. I started to hate school because of her. I was offered a double promotion to skip grade 5, which I turned down. And in grade 5 I was asked to compete in math against the 8th graders! My 8th grade math grades average was100%. And I always did the extra credit for 5% more. So… my grade was 105% in 8th grade with no mistakes the entire year. I also was 100% in Science class! That 6th grade teacher could have ruined my desire for learning as I was close to just saying F#$% It!
This is why I sent my children to pvt school. Now one of my daughters teaches in a public school…….Well her 5th grade class had 3 of the top ten, her one student took 1st place! this was a K though 8th grade school!
This is why I sent my children to pvt school. Now one of my daughters teaches in a public school…….Well her 5th grade class had 3 of the top ten in the school spelling bee, her one student took 1st place! this was a K though 8th grade school!
Control by the teachers union aka the federal government, this is why an 8th grade education in the 40’s is better than a college degree today.
She is right. 100% right. The teachers should have been excited for a student who was so well advanced. I guess they felt threatened.
no one who loves their child would ever send them to public school; if you love your child you’ll pay for his/her education
Public schools are a sham. They are NOT educationg as much as they are indoctrinating to a specific philosphy. I dare say that the level of education today is poor at best and that a person with an undergraduate degree, couls not compete with a High school grad of my time, when it comes to History, Geography and other subjects. I wil give them this though, they are more up on Pop culture than we were. You want to get education back in the public schools. get rid of tenure, teacher’s unions, and pay them on merit. They will either Pass or Fail.
Keep electing them democrats if you like this. Unions and affirmative action at it’s best.
I get that schools have to teach at a standard pace. Education en masse. It’s understandable. I have teachers in my family. BUT, when you (teacher, principal or official) put a child or parent down for getting ahead or (Lord Forbid) HOME SCHOOL… (Oh the humanity!) that becomes a problem.
I knew a woman, years ago, who taught 2nd grade. She boasted to me one day about how she had it in for a certain boy in her class and would ridicule and humiliate him in front of the class!! Can you imagine!!? I only hope the boy’s father found out and gave her a thorough trashing!!
My daughter’s entire high school education consisted of her history teacher playing a “Saving Private Ryan” DVD over the course of a week and telling the students that that’s the way (in the movie) World War II really was. When she was in 9th grade she had to complete a project about World War I and she was told by her history teacher (same school, different teacher) to bring in items that were related to WWI. I gave her one of my 82nd Airborne patches minus the Airborne tab essentially making it an 82nd Infantry Division patch which served gallantly in WWI. She told my daughter that the patch had nothing to do with WWI and wouldn’t give her credit for it. When I went to talk with her I explained that the 82nd (The “All-Americans”) Infantry Division had indeed served in WWI and that their most famous member was a guy by the name of Sgt. Alvin York. She had never heard of him. Sad. I would never send another child to public school.
Amen !get the fed out of education . They are not teaching kids they are brainwashing them !
My daughter had a female English teacher that gave mediocre grades to the girls and A’s and B’s to the boys. The tipping point for me was the day they had a hundred word spelling test and she got a failure mark. The reason. She wasn’t sure about the spelling of the first word and when she was given the second word she wrote it after the letter 1 and then of course all the words were numbered incorrectly. All of the ninety-nine words were spelled correctly but because they were not numbered correctly they were marked wrong. I went to the principal and complained. She took the test over and spelled all 100 words correctly and was given a B because the teacher deemed it a make-up test and lowered the grade by one. They received so many complaints about her that she was given the job of librarian with no teaching involved. Couldn’t fire her because of the tenure system. Her science teacher was so high on something during our parent-teacher conference that the room was almost completely dark and she couldn’t recall that my daughter was her class. This took place in the 70’s and in a junior high. As you may guess, I have no love of our educational system.
How about teachers who makes her 14 yr old students take a test (that she wrote and designed) to identify if the students are democrats or republicans? The grading was based on her interpretation of what the students wrote, and actually failed and kicked out of class three boys who were Republicans, (according to her test). 14 year old kids have no business being declared a Republican or Democrat by anyone let alone a high school teacher that was teaching english. For her exploits, she was fired, but only after a long drawn out process and parents like myself complaining to the principle, school board, etc etc.
You are so right, they are not teaching the kids how to think for themselves just do what they are told. Just like the govt leading sheep to the slaughter.
I had a similar situation with my Son, when he was in 2nd Grade.
I was called out of a meeting in my office and summoned to his school, ~ an hour away. My Assistant had to clear my entire schedule. It was a major inconvenience.
I arrived at the school and was sent into the Principal’s office. His teacher was there. I asked what happened.
The teacher jumped in, “Your Son was very disruptive in class this morning. We were talking about Native Americans and he totally disrupted class. He said that they are no more Native than him because he was born here and they are not indigenous to America. Call them ‘First Americans.'”
I asked, “What did he do? Did he just blurt it out?”
She said, “No.”
I asked, “Did he raise his hand and wait until he was called on?”
She said, “Yes.”
I said, “So let me see if I understand this. You were leading a class discussion. My Son raised his hand and waited until you called on him. He contributed to the discussion. What he said was much more intellectually honest than what you were teaching. My 7-year-old intellectually smoked you and you cannot handle that. Am I missing anything?”
The Principal suddenly got it. She looked at the teacher, then at me. “Mr.Tallman, I am so very sorry we bothered you. Would you please close the door on your way out.”
The teacher got REEMED!
Thank you, but It did not flag as incorrect. I had fat-fingered it. Hmmmm…
My son-in-law is a teacher and, thank God, these dingbat teaching methods are not universal. There are still some functioning brains, capable of logic, in the education system.
sounds like some teachers are determined to be one of those teachers that wants to “dumb down” America.
It doesn’t stop in school. I’ve been out of work for years because the methods I use are too effective, etc. People want me to (I don’t like this term) dumb myself down to fit in. In school I maxed out some of my classes, had to keep taking the same ones even if I passed, and like the story talks about I failed math for not showing my work because I could do it in my head. I must have been cheating. .. However, it’s not just kids. We like to think this goes away as adults, but it gets worse. It’s not public schools, it’s a life style that tells people to be threatened by anyone that thinks differently.
schools need to go back to actually teaching kids things like spelling and not how to push a button on an ipad. gee what a concept
Thank you Unions , do you have one that represents our Kids interest ?
Those who can not do…. Teach. The best thing I did was to quit high screwel. Quitting had no bearing on my success.
In order to control you must first eliminate the educated population. A
strong union can help. There is no reason for any nation to be ahead of America
other than lazy, spoiled, undisciplined citizens.
Well I’m a former public school teacher, my child is in public school now and I can answer three of these. First of all, the letters are formed incorrectly in the cursive writing. There is more to cursive writing than just drawing a line to connect the letters. Now I do believe it should be taught and if a child had written his/her name in cursive in my first grade class room I would have accepted it but I would have told him/her to erase it and write it correctly if he had handed this in. Its INCORRECT!!!!!!!!!!
In regard to the music, I feel your pain. I play piano primarily by ear. I can pick out just about anything by ear. When I took piano lessons my piano teacher recognized this talent and taught me how to play by what he called ‘octaves and chords.” I am to this day, by everyone’s estimation, a great piano player. But the talent that serves me well as a piano player actually held me back as a flute player in the high school band. I don’t read music as well as most. HELLO? I don’t have to. But when you are playing in a group situation, its required. I was first chair flutist for most of my high school band experience but I had to work to keep it and a ‘by the rules’ flutist who was 2nd chair always beat me in All-District try-outs because of the sight reading. It is what it is.
In regard to math, I remember the arguments well. My dad was a math genius. I would ask him for help with homework, he would show me how to solve the problem in two steps, I would go to school and the problem would be counted wrong by the teacher because I didn’t ‘show my work.’ In college, and as a teacher, I came to realize that the ‘show the work’ is important because whereas you might be able to solve a problem today, skipping steps may make a more difficult problem impossible to solve next year.
The teacher probably couldn’t read cursive. I currently teach at the middle school level. Half the kids in my Social Studies classes cannot read cursive when I write my objectives on the board. Also, even more than half cannot write using cursive.
Your just a cog in the machine. Conform or else.
Get rid of the Department of Education. Let local districts determine their teachings as it should be before the teat of government money spoils everything. Reagan tried to dissolve the department but was foiled.
What was her response to the teacher that “shot down” her son? It seemed to be just a boastful response about her own abilities in school.
Hasn’t it always been like that? Heck, I remember having this same problem in the 70’s and 80’s when it came to math – you either show the work “their” way, or get your correct answer marked incorrect.
working towards common core the dumbing down of america
This is why you should vote libertarian. Read up on how they want to do away with some of these liberal and conservative ideals.
Not all kids learn at the same rate or by the same methods. Instead of knocking a kid down for learning differently maybe they should encourage a child for change.
Um, something to call the credibility of the article’s author into question; Little Rock, Arkansas doesn’t have a governor.
This is what happens when you send your puppies to be educated by pigs,
at pig run schools where pig values are forced on your puppies. Never
send your puppies to be educated by pigs. (Animal Farm reference)
Yes you are right! This is the leftist way everyone is the same mind numbed robot! Problem is, God didn’t create us to be the same, have the same, look the same, act the same, think the same, just love the same! Teachers, politicians, ideologies like those are hopelessly flawed and doomed for failure! look at the WH!
You might be missing an underlying lesson. The content of the classes, or the method with which you solve problems isn’t always the only thing you can learn from the public education system. When I read the majority of the above statements, I didn’t see students being held back for being too advanced. Most of the situations above would be easily handled if you had any “people skills.” Learning to interact and influence others to your way of thinking was something that I found to be an amazing takeaway from school. How to conjugate my French verbs, or solving exponentional Alegbra equations for the most part has been long forgotten for me, but what I do remember – how to just talk to people.
My father came to school in response to my second-grade teacher who complained to him I wouldn’t go out to the playground at recess. “He wants to stay in and read the encyclopedia.” Dad glared down at her from his 6’3” and said “I don’t send him here to learn how to slide down the slide or swing on the swings, I send him here to learn to read and to learn about the world.” End of discussion.
Nothing is going to work till we get Fire all the Bankers and kick them out of our Nation. Then we need to storm The White House ,Congress and every other Politician that are taking corporate money which is tied to the Bankers and kick them all out and send them to Antarctica. THEY want us DUMBED DOWN.
People with common sense need to do exactly the same things that the leftists have done. Infiltrate and undermine when the opportunity presents itself.
Our kids get dumber every year because the teacher is not allowed to control his/her own classroom………so every kid needs to “be on the same page”. Most teachers couldn’t care less anymore, they are just there to collect a paycheck…….please read it again……I said MOST teachers, not all……
I’m fortunate that I only had one bad teacher my whole time in public school. One of my 10th grade geometry teachers was a man and he favored the boys in the class. He would ignore or even insult the girls when they asked questions. If I’d had the gumption back then I do now, not only would I have told him off, I would have reported him to the principal. He may not have cared but it might have put him on notice. Some people become teachers because they love kids and want to help them learn. Others become teachers because they can’t make it in the real world.
Wait until you get fired from your job, because you outperform everyone else including the boss! They hate it when you know more than them.
They want kids now to learn about Muslims, what a peaceful, loving, cult they are! OK Johnny try this suicide belt on now. here’s a whip beat Betsy if she opens her mouth to speak! If you want to marry a nine year old they have that right!
Most of the teachers for our four children were very good. When they had bad ones we didn’t complain. We just explained that life was not perfect and compensated at home.
English was my 4th language but I managed to get a Ph.D. and a comission in the US military. My first grader’s Common Core assignments, pre-printed uses very poor English; sentences without verbs, wrong sentence structure and tenses. It is a major embarrassement. The math has too many stepps, most of the parents have no clue what to look for. I use and teach my kids European math that is simple, very fast, and very few stepps. Dr. William Nagy
Amen! I have been staying this for years! There are too many lib teachers that DO NOT want our children to get ahead….just do as they are taught – stay in line.
It goes on. In their freshman years in college, my niece and nephew were both down graded on their speeches because they chose sides of controversial subjects their instructors disagreed with. Others who did not even fill up their required amount of time were graded higher because the instructors agreed with their positions.
this woman is right.
Actually, this person sounds like a douche! I had to get my dad to come in and shout her down?? I’m sure quite a bit of this is exaggerated…..get over yourself.
Did I miss something? Where is the “legendary” response? What I see is what looks to be a bunch of made up comments from random people. If there really are teachers like this then the parents need to step up and do something about it. This entire post seems to be fictional and a way for the writer to get people to click on it and comment.
Teachers unions were in the top ten donors to the democrat party, nuff said
Sadly the education system is failing because of substandard and lazy educators and the universities pumping them out. However I am thankful for the 20 to 30 % who are dedicated to excellence .
Such an unfair generalization. Some of us work hard at getting kids to think. and try to keep it fair and balanced the whole time. My students didn’t get out of my class w/out having read, back to back, Atlas Shrugged and Grapes of Wrath.
Some of these teachers sound like my old babysitter. Her daughter was a year older than me but she wasn’t potty trained so I had to wear diapers. Seriously, if they can’t handle the fact some children advance more quickly than others, then they shouldn’t have started working with them in the first place.
The Teachers Union is what’s driving this train. It’s next to impossible to get rid of a bad teacher and in the black districts, it IS impossible. Thank Barrack Obozo, next time h is home from his numerous trips to Hawaii.
Sounds like poor fiction to me.
The same thing happened to me, although not as extensive. In first grade I could read and write cursive. I also kept a very sharp pencil as ink pens were not allowed, I wrote very small and the teacher told me that she would not grade my papers because of my writing so small. I did the work but never turned it in, no point if not being graded. By the time I made it to the eleventh grade, tired of the crap, I quit. Joined the Navy and done well in my life. Never had regretted it, and never got a GED. I’m almost 72 years of age now.
My wife and i were so discouraged with our school district, that she ran for the board, changes are now in motion.
“Governor of Little Rock Arkansas”? Ha! It’s the Governor of Arkansas. Little Rock has mayor, not a governor. It just happens to be the capital. And this guy is supposed to be in AP classes?
Okay, I have to make a comment, here…
I notice how many teachers are complaining how this doesn’t characterize all public school teachers. Fair enough. But then they say that the reason this sort of thing happens is because the curricula and techniques and schedule is decided for them by legislative policy and politics, and that they’d take a pay cut and trade their tenure for the freedom to teach how they want.
If that were the case, you’d be teaching like you want already and telling your supervisors to go shove it. You keep saying how parents should be complaining to the dept. heads, principals, school boards and such, but how much are YOU, whose JOB this is, doing to effect change? And if you’re already trying, how much effect do you expect mere parents to have? What on Earth leads you to believe they’ve been staying silent about this?
Take responsibility. If that means disobeying your superiors and risking your jobs in order to teach kids proper academics, then DO IT. Don’t act as if you have no control over what YOU teach. To do so is to lie to yourselves, and you well know it.
And don’t go fobbing the responsibility to address these problems off to just the parents – or they’ll take it, and and their children, right out of public schooling and into home school.
…And what’s more, they SHOULD.
Too many teachers are incompetent
The only thing about the education system over which we have any control at all is taxation. This is why I vote No on EVERY SINGLE BOND ISSUE. Only choking the beast will result in any change whatsoever, even if it’s to burn it down and rebuild it better, meaning that it needs to have far less, or zero, government or union control.
In 5 grade we were working in our workbooks and I answered a question before the teacher got there to see if I could get it right. The girl next to me told me I got the answer wrong. I told her to leave me alone before the teacher saw us talking. Too late. The teacher said, “I see we have a couple of play babies.” Then we had to go to the Kindergarten class to get blocks and take them back to our classroom. The teacher made us sit on the floor in front of the whole class and play with the blocks. She never asked what was going on. Some teachers can be very mean to their students. I always wondered why she became a teacher in the first place. So sad.
I was kicked out of nursing school, 3 WEEKS before graduation. I feel it was because my psych instructor had told me not to tell my teenaged psych patient I was leaving the service, and not abandoning her, like her parents did, to the psych hospital. Right after I left the service (new rotation to another class), the patient jumped off a bridge and killed herself. I feel I was kicked out so this instructor would not lose her job.
If we take back control of the schools from the federal govt like it was when many of us attended this crap would stop. The federal govt has no business in the school system. They take billions of our tax dollars and spend forty percent.of it trying to figure out how to send it back. How stupid is that
If they werent unvolved there would be plenty of money for education.
WHAT is the mom’s perfect response?
to, too, two- wrong form used in the third grade portion, maybe you should have been told to slow it down a little more!
I have a feeling she can’t read i, othewise I can’t beleive she would write that on the kids paperwork.
Weird world of today – don’t teach cursive, everyone wins, no such thing as boy or girl, man or women, signature can be Illegible/scribble, take God out of the schools, teaching tolerance, green crap, removing truth, history from the study books, instead of teaching the basics and the average college freshman reads at 7th-grade level.
I understand about the cursive. Manuscript needs to be taught first. Why get them confused? Most schools do not even teach penmanship today.
Do not blame the American school system as a whole. That is the same type of ignorance displayed by the teachers in question. There are encouraging, nurturing, and intelligent teachers, and there are teachers that either do not care how they impact their students, or feel intimidated by a child that requires more advanced teachings. Applaud the teachers that give a damn, and that look for new ways to reach children that don’t fit the mold. Blame the teacher that is making the individual choice to break down her students rather than raising them up to new heights.
True education trains students to THINK critically and independently- not to be brain dead robots
Where’s the mom’s “response”? This is a rant, and entertaining, but not a response from a mom to a teacher about the cursive thing. Clickbait title. And yes, we got the “no cursive yet” thing from our oldest’s 2nd-grade teacher. Since my cursive is definitely NOT the handwriting standard and I honestly don’t remember how they want you to write most capital letters in cursive, I told my daughter that she had the concept down just fine and that they’d refine it more in 3rd grade with everybody. I was always a year ahead in reading/language arts, until my third-grade reading teacher refused to let me use the 4th grade book and made me repeat the 3rd-grade one instead. (I was reading on a 6th-grade level at the time; also, my 3rd-grade teacher had a 3rd-grade daughter–my mom’s theory was that she didn’t want anyone outshining her daughter.)
The Twilight Zone: Season 1, Episode 14 Examination Day
Unions, monuments to mediocrity.
Expel the Communist unions from the schools.
Reading “to” well, huh?
All public school teachers are basically criminals.
I think the solution is the way they did it when I was in school. We were encouraged to excel.
“….reading too well…..”. “too”.
Too not to “reading too well”
Not just the U.S, and not just modern.
In 1970, I was ten years old, and got a severe telling off for bringing Churchills “History of the English speaking peoples” as my “break time reading.” Regardless of the fact I had already completed two thirds of it (I needed two weekend to do that, but because it was a library book, and due back, wanted to finish it, so took it to school for my breaks), and could answer all her questions about the book correctly.
not surprising. I see this crap all the time. it has less to do with teaching kids core skills and less about trying to teach them the idea that its wrong to excel, if it will make your peers look bad in the process. they care more about the feelings of the less motivated than they do the idea of pushing people to the next level.
Teachers who have not taught in 5 years have no idea how the profession has changed!! The mandates from the government started with No Child Left Behind – President Bush. It’s good intentions got left BEHIND along with many children when businessmen thought they knew about child development and curriculum.
So you’re saying it’s my fault?:)
While I agree that some individuals are not flexible in their teaching
methods, this is an unfair “casting of the net.” In reading about these
progressive incidents, there seems to be a familiar theme throughout
this student’s life. I would be very surprised if this person’s adult
life experiences are any different. After a while, you have to ask
yourself, “Could I be responsible, too?”
Reading *too well. Grammar mistakes in the first paragraph aren’t exactly helpful to this story.
they want you to get it… ONLY the way they teach it…. but, If you get it on your own…. and more advanced in it ” 100% Awesomeness ” … DON’T EVER let a teacher Bring you down… only Advance you in life…. with Praise !!!
As a public school science teacher…I don’t know how much I trust what is written in this article. I do realize that there are some bad teachers that shouldn’t be teaching, but to try and cast a broad brush about all of those in the public school system is wrong.
I personally do not know of any teacher that would intentionally try to limit a students potential. I do recognize that it is difficult to help an upper limit student to continue to progress at their potential, yet still give the personal attention to the student that is as far as 6 grade levels lower on math and/or english.
This is one of the most difficult things to manage as a school teacher. Then you can add on the other difficulties of trying to get support from the parents of children that really need the educational support. It’s never an easy job, but the bulk of the payment is when you have a past student come visit you and share with you how their goals in life changed after taking your class.
I read this in school, it completely relates, it was written in 1958, it completely predicted the future in my opinion.
My 10th grade World Civics teacher called me out in class in front of everyone on numerous occasions to tell me my “grammar was atrocious” and that I couldn’t spell. She’d mark up all my essay answers in red pen. She was wrong every single time. I showed them to my English teacher and other people just to be sure, and she was wrong every time.
1st thing I noticed? She was reading “to” well..
Can you say AMEN?
The type of nonsensical. limiting, behavior on the part of teachers is legion…largely because many refuse to believe that they have children of outlying intelligence in their classrooms.
I recall a remark from a 2nd grade teacher “Bart is bringing very sophisticated adult level books to class and reading them during his recess and lunch periods. I am taken these from him and will return them to you at our next meeting; I am encouraging him to read on an appropriate level.”
While my anecdote adds little to the problem, the larger issue is this…you MUST solve the problem using the method laid out (right down to where you place the underlining) to get the “right answer,” even a correct arithmetical solution is actually presented.
For the low end, our educational system is adequate. For the high end – me among them – the public educational system was an abject failure. Fortunately, this was observed early on and many enrichment opportunities were afforded me by the teachers (Mr. Christopher, Mr. Lavin, Mrs. Kindervatter, Mrs. Mondt, Mrs. Ream, to say nothing of the good nuns) who did recognize my talents.
Get your kids out of these government run schools. They don’t want our children to think and figure things out for themselves. They are all into this follow the leader, no questions, no problem solving. They want zombies. You can bet your bottom dollar that the rich elites’ kids are not taught like this. They are training our kids to follow the elites like little puppies. The elites don’t want their children to have to fight the everyday kid when they come into power. They want to make it as easy as possible for their kids’ reign. Wake up people.
I had a student teacher in 6th grade. He let me go through the math book at my own pace. I did every assignment in the book. Not required. He was going to give me the 7th grade book to work on.The regular teacher came back and made me do the 6th grade book again but at the pace of the rest of the class. Frustrating.
Public school classes move at the pace of the slowest child.
My dad taught me to read when I was 4 years old. My brother was 6 and he could read, so I wanted to also. My 1st grade teacher encouraged me, so before I was done with the 2nd grade I had read virtually every book at the K-6 school. Things have changed since 1961.
I taught my granddaughter italic handwriting. When circumstances changed, her 1st grade teacher spend time changing how she made her y, and her beautiful handwriting deteriorated. Sometimes teachers focus on trivial matters, and sometimes parents do not see the overall goal that teachers want their students to reach.
As a certified teacher, I have had parents complain because I did not simply hand out A’s. Later these same parents or the students themselves would return when they recognized the larger goal of critical thinking they were capable of achieving.
I don’t have much to say but “Suck It Up”. I went through public school and did better than a lot of my peers, I had to sit out of class because I did better than others. I understand its your kid and all but things like this should be taken and learned from… not posted about on the internet to get people fired up or hot and bothered about it.
My brother and I went to a very small parochial school with 3 classes to a room and my class had only 8 people in it. We would have to take turns standing up in class to read a certain number of sentences or an entire paragraph out loud. When my brother took his turn, he would stutter and stumble through his part and the teacher actually made fun of him in front of the entire class. When our parents divorced, my brother chose to go to public school and it was only then that that he was found to have a learning disability, but it wasn’t until high school that they realized the extent of it and how to help him. He would get so mad at me because I could cram and get . I’m As while he would study for hours and still fail a test. I’m still not sure how they thought to try this, but once they did, the change in him was amazing! They started taking him into a separate room room, reading him the test questions out loud, letting him answer the questions verbally while they wrote down the answers he gave. The change was immediate and dramatic…he went from failing almost every test to getting As and Bs! They had realized he had trouble processing what he read and just as much trouble taking the answer in his head and putting it onto paper, usually answering the question wrong only because he thought what he was writing down matched the answer in his head when it didn’t. Not only did his grades improve dramatically, he was able to get his GED and later go back to school to further his education. I think back to that one specific teacher who would tease him, embarrass him in front of the class, ruin his self esteem and then not think twice about taking him in the hall and spanking him when he acted out and wonder if at some point in his career he ever learned about handling kids with learning disabilities and then looked back with regret on how he treated my brother or if it never bothered him that instead of helping him, he encouraged others to tease and bully any kids who struggled like this and caused the kind of harm that never goes away? Now that I have school aged children, I could never imagine a teacher doing something like this, let alone getting away with it, especially since this wasn’t in the 40s, 50s, or 60s, but in the 80s and 90s.
Reading “to” well…Fail much? Try “too.”
SO 4 LINKS LATER WHERE’S HER RESPONSE ?
all schools do this in one form or another is called socialization and its one of the reasons schools exist. so the government can subtly start to shape u into the person they want for there society. anyone who has done basic sociology knows this.
It is interesting how each student, from first grade to eleventh, have the same style of writing, great punctuation and an amazing vocabulary. I call BS on this story.
I might have been inclined to agree with you if you had used the correct form “too” instead of “to” when writing about your third grade teacher.
Why would a teacher try to hold a student back? Is there some psychological problem being manifested here, in that the teacher feels threatened by a student whose abilities exceed those of the teacher?
Having a lower student teacher ratio is needed in classrooms where special needs, slow, intermediate and gifted students are all lumped in together. I would like to see anyone, regardless how prepared they are teach effectively in such a setting.
I know view the movie, “Idiocracy” a predictive documentary instead of a spoof. In the near future, our children will be just a stupid and ignorant as those people in that farce movie. It won’t be funny, then.
These are the reasons i am so glad i go to a private school
It is the idiots educational researchers who decide what to teach ..they are the leaders of education who had no contact with reality and decide to implement some idiotic way to teach…teachers only follow what they are told
And what about the teachers who come in early and stay late every day so they can provide engaging, informative lessons for their students? For teachers who communicate daily with parents when their child is having a tough time due to emotional problems or family problems? And what about the teachers who collaborate with peers and special educators to accelerate and move students forward when they are ready? What about the teachers who hold crying students or stay after school to help them with work or with other problems? Of course you don’t hear about those — because that is what a majority of good teachers do! There are bad apple teachers, cops, financial planners, repair people, housecleaners, etc.
You spelled “too” incorrectly in the first paragraph.
Well, I would put more credence in this article if it weren’t for the grammar mistakes; and the fact that all through school on virtually every subject available, this student claims the teachers attempted to hold her back (statistically, you would think she’d hit an encouraging word in there somewhere); and most importantly if it hadn’t been that our son -while getting some who were determined to lower expectations for him- got many stellar teachers; caring, dedicated and skilled. That’s why he’s an engineer now with an exciting career. Just sayin.
so don’t look down on parents that homeschool because of a system that is broken. We are protecting our children and trying to find a better way to educate them, when we have tried to work with the system and it has gotten us nowhere.INSTEAD WORK WITH US AND HELP MAKE IT BETTER FOR ALL STUDENTS.
Private school, people. Secular private school. Your kids will get a better education, get into better colleges, and you won’t have to worry about them being killed in the hall for their jacket or shoes.
I agree with Scott Smith except they do strike for more money but not to make any changes to help kids or parents. MONEY,MONEY.
Not all teachers are like this. I get that some teachers can be like this, but this isn’t indicative of the American School System.
I don’t weigh in on a lot of topic unless they deal with this type of thing
but since it is one that has affected me and my child I would like to ask anyone to answer this for me as this was sent home for my child to do ..The homework
ask that the 12 words be matched to the definition’s when we got down to the last word (Howling) the last definition left was BUMPING.I thought that it must be a mistake on the part of the teacher. So being a good parent I inquired about it to the teacher the response I got was shocking to say the least. I quote
( It is a old English term and do not ever challenge me in front of the kids again)………the conversation took place in front of the school away from the children but in front of other parents…I informed her that I would challenge her are any other teacher on any platform anytime they did are said something that I felt was in error. I had to remove my child out of that school because of it.
Two week before I was able to move her to a new school I Received a Letter
from the state informing me that the school has had it’s charter revoked and it would not be reinstated because the school did not meet the standard’s set down for them and a new law that went into affect was applied to them .
the teacher is no longer employed with school system …. So I ask you can
anyone here verify the definition of (Howling) = (Bumping)
To well? Or too well
Second paragraph…”reading (to) well”. Apparently, the author can’t spell (too) well.
Thats why you have people like Jaden Smith, Oprah, Joe Biden. Michael Obama. The entire Lohan & Kardashian family, Ellen. The entire democratic party & Dr. Phil have the I.Q. of peanut butter. The freakin school system!!
If a First Grade teacher cannot read cursive, then that “teacher” should NOT be teaching !
Can’t read the whole page said it’s not available. What I did read sounds like the schools and Gov is trying there best to dumb our kids and us down! Like in some parts of Ky u h as ve to print ur homework or its an F. So some parents have to go in debt to buy a computer and printer or wait in line at the library so the kids when do the homework its not allowed to be written. It’s stupid.
the answer is…….HOMESCHOOL !!!!!!
And some schools wonder why their alumni events are ignored. Do you think this person in the article wants anything to do with his or her old school?
Cut it Out! I work my butt off to make sure my students think for themselves!
I encourage independent thought, and appreciate those students who come to class with skills I benefit from! Don’t put all schools and teachers in a box….if your schools had been that bad, why did your parents allow you to stay!
Oh, no tenure here!
Modern public education is designed to produce “happy campers”, as opposed to thinkers, creators, and doers.
There is just one problem with this: this country did not come into being, evolve, and become the leading economic and scientific power in the world (we have long since lost both titles) through the efforts of “happy campers”.
Parents: if your kid is miserable in school, it may well be a sign of intelligence. Go talk to his or her teacher. Listen to what he or she says, but be careful to read between the lines. Far too many only want their students to be quiet. If “s/he asks too many questions” comes up in the conversation, consider that a major red flag.
That is the Liberal way…”equality” means everyone at the lowest common denominator.
I’ve never had problems like these with any of my teachers. Sounds like these were just isolated incidences. It sucks that there are teachers like this, but it’s not fair to say the whole education system is screwed up. I’m sure it’s not easy being a teacher.
In the cautious tyranny of education, perfect virtue consists simply of exacting compliance with all the endless, ever-changing rules, while absolute evil is nothing more than any sort of non-compliance. If this sounds like everything else that’s screwed up in the world, it’s because it is.
From “Shyly’s delight” ( bit.ly/ShylysDelight ):
That kind of Driven focus on the mission-critical will show you where every social machine is broken if you learn to look for the signs of Cautious tyranny – fear or fascination where there should be dancing productivity.
So: Why did your daughter tell you every week how much she hated piano lessons until she finally dug in her heels and quit, never playing again? It’s because you and her piano teacher entered into an unwitting conspiracy to penalize her incessantly for failing to produce faithful note-for-note mimicry of desiccated sheet music, instead of helping her learn to love music as Shyly would have, if she could have, by living it from the inside out. Technical mastery requires immense motivation, the motivation you killed before it could even take root by insisting that a tiny green shoot is less than nothing if it cannot instantly tower among ancient oaks. If we trained our dogs like this, their spirits – and their tails – would be down all the time, too.
And this is all of education, of course. The Cautious students excel academically. Why wouldn’t they? They read all the material, do all the assignments and follow all the rules. They are the perfect pets for a Cautious tyranny. And the Incandescents shine socially, since achieving status in a Cautious tyranny consists entirely of putting the other guy in the wrong. Any wrong will do, since ‘wrong’ in the Cautious morality doesn’t mean harmful or hurtful, it simply means non-compliant.
No one was ever scolded or scorned into good behavior, just a terrified compliance sometimes overlaid with a parody of rebellion, so Cautious management of education is more than usually anti-effective: It not only does not produce educated children, what it produces instead are scared little perpetual puppies whose only hope of ever feeling right with themselves is to join in with some mob scourging some other poor fool for being unwittingly and completely-inconsequentially in the wrong about a matter of absolutely no importance.
Everything that is screwed up in the world is screwed up in this way, by a self-justifying tyranny of the Cautious. But that tyranny is only made possible by the abdication of the Driven.
There ARE a lot of teachers that can really help their students learn what they need. However, I have read (and it may be true) that in Texas some 22% of high school students drop out, and that 80% of those going on to college are not capable of doing work at college level. If you should complain, they tell you that it’s your fault because you haven’t given them eough money.The Liberal Prescription: Create another two years of high school and call it Junior College. Why in the world anyone think that12 years of failure can be cured by 2 more years of the same. But….you will have thousands of more jobs which will pay into the liberal PACs. Now, what is important to you? The kids or the bureaucracy? They are different. In Round Rock, the voters rejected a $25 million high school for some 100 students. So, RRISD built it anyway, and paid for it out of their reserves. In the last bond election, RRISD asked for millions in new bonds because the schools were falling apart and there were not enough supplies. BECAUSE RRISD HAD SPENT THE MONEY FOR THINGS IN SPITE OF THE VOTERS! A curious thing that took me a long time to see. Whenever they want more money, they hold your children hostage and threaten to screw up your kids education.
Yes, he was.
Common Core or better known as Common Crud is the culprit. I used to teach elementary school but retired to raise our family. There is not a prayer’s chance in H*ll that I would teach that crap if I had not retired. It is there to dumb down our children. Don’t doubt it!
I was lucky to have an amazing English teacher who praised me and my little sister for reading well above our grade level while the rest of the 12th grade class wanted 2nd level versions of the same book.
TIME TO GET RID OF THE GOVERNMENT INDOCTRINATION CENTERS!! They are full of sick diseased libtards pretending to be teachers!!
I was given this same guff in 1973.
My youngest Son was reading by the age of two and doing serious math calculations by the age of three because he too was fascinated by math. He was making change accurately as well. When we took him to enroll in Kindergarten, we found that all kids in his district were talked to by the Superintendent to see where they were academically. My wife and I were instructed to wait outside the Superintendent’s office. We listened as the interview began. Right then, the phone and the our Son was asked to wait for a few minutes. He then picked up a magazine and started reading it. The Superintendent kept watching him and when he put down the phone asked our Son if he was enjoying the pictures. He said yes but the article was interesting as well. When asked if he was really reading the article, our Son said said he was. When asked to read, he did. When asked what he thought about the article, an interesting discussion began. At the end of the discussion, we were informed that our Son would not be going into kindergarten because he would be bored to tears and he would be going into 1st grade instead. He was still bored to tears, but got along just fine. Entered university when he was 16 and graduated at 18 with a BS in Computer Engineering. Thanks for that far minded Superintendent. Thanks for common sense and intelligence when it occurs anywhere, but particularly in the education arena. For what it’s worth, I have seen many home schooled kids do just as well as BOTH of my own Sons and my daughters.
“reading too well” 😉
Bc of ads I can’t even get through the first paragraph. …….what happened?
Public education is a FAILURE, and has been for years.
The teacher who complained about the big words was possibly upset by the fact she didn’t know what they meant and had to look them up. 😉 hehe
Hi, Ben, long time no hear! I was typing my response here and I believe those who are spying on and interfering with my internet communications, illegally, I might ad, changed the page and wouldn’t bring back my response until I had to start over again. They hate exposure, so now that they’re on notice, maybe I’ll be able to put in my response in peace.
As a graduating student, I was in shock to read that this person was criticized for his academic excellence. However, in my APBiology class, things are different; we are, to a certain extent, taken out of our comfort zones and expected to take in everything in a short period of time. I live in the state of North Carolina and am thankful to be graduating, for next year’s Common Core will undoubtedly hinder creative thinkers alike.
If your schools have common core, your kids are doomed anyway. Join a stop common core group in your state and get Bill Gates, the feds, and big business out of our local schools.
Having a problem with people like me, Ben? I see all my posts where we were discussing conventional religious beliefs versus enlightened ones have been erased! Further, every time I try to post here, I get switched to a different page. Good luck with that, dude. God don’t like ugly!
This isn’t system-wide. Those teachers have their own childish insecurities. As a special ed teacher, I love it when a student teaches me something I didn’t know or excels at something because their parents or someone took the time to work with them.
My son, a HS social studies teacher, is currently embroiled in a battle with the school district because he used a ‘different’ method to help his students learn. It didn’t follow the 12 steps on the school’s checklist. It also increased the grade levels of his students. So the kids aren’t the only ones with problems.
Then there’s my other son, many years ago, was made to stay after school to learn how to phoentically sound words or fail his class. He sight read. He came from a Catholic school in NY, we moved and he was going to a public school in CA.
All these sort of acts are stupid. If a child is advanced, they should be encouraged, not ridiculed.
And don’t forget the other students who will threaten to injure you if you keep doing well on tests graded on a curve.
And in spite of all of that, she never learned the difference between ‘to’ and ‘too.’
Teachers are by and large not at the top of their classes. They are not particularly innovative, but in their defence they are trained to follow a prescribed curriculum and not deviate from its core track. They probably could be replaced with robots in the not too distant future. The liberal agenda, is what common core, or for that matter, most public instruction is. Don’t think, just follow instructions. I remember my LT when I was in VN told me once not to think. “In fact” he said, “don’t ever think again, you are ordered to never think again”. I must admit I had screwed up pretty good, but this is the thought processes of public education. They are to turn out duplicates of the weakest link in the chain and all connected to it. This is collectivism, and to excel gums up the works for the herd. Just follow orders. heil comrade Obama and his democrat liberal socialist progressives.
Some years back, we had our son starting 1st grade in the local public school in South Florida. Several weeks after he started, I inquired what he had learned at school, that day. His response was “nothing, teacher told me to shut up and sit down”. Needless to say we bit the financial bullet, and transferred him to a private school the next day.
He just graduated from UVA Law last week.
Part of sheikh islam’s, pbuh, Fundamental Transformation of America is to make sure no one excels and that everyone sacrifice superior abilities for the collective good of allah.
I retired from the U.S. Border Patrol at the end of 2011 and proceeded to enter into the teaching profession in my 50’s. I teach Middle School Social Studies. More than half the kids in my classes (grades 6 and 7) cannot read, or write using cursive. My first day I wrote our objectives, vocabulary words and a few other items on the board in cursive. When I asked the kids to write down the vocabulary words I discovered the majority of the class was unable to read the words. I learned cursive in my early elementary years, but I guess the teachers at the elementary level are simply not teaching it any more – or, they are not spending enough time with it.
Catholic school education, at least when I attended,insisted on cursive. No way around it.
With the exception of one year in a Lutheran school (2nd grade), I was in public schools. But cursive was a major part of the writing curriculum at that time.
Mark my words: Honors classes will soon be outlawed because they are “unfair.”
Teachers need to start teaching kids HOW to think instead of WHAT to think.
Our education system wants kids to be failures! Best to homeschooled your kids!
If you really want to change the system – get the federal department of education shut down. Complete waste of money. Then make sure your state superintendent has someone who has taught in a class working in all of the positions. If they don’t, replace them.
Go to your local board of education meetings. Stop the flow of “government” bribe money, money that forces the schools to do things so they can keep the money flowing. Local schools need local control and should use local money.
Problem is most people are to lazy to do this. Status quo is comfortable and it’s easier to say “well it’s not my problem, I homeschool/don’t have kids/kids almost graduated etc.
It would be nice if the article wasn’t covered up partially ob the right side of the page but centered where it normally is most of the time. I’ve tried clearing my browser including opening a new browser window and it is still happening, so it’s something on the website.
I had the opposite (?) experience. Back in the early 1960’s when I was in 8th grade, our math teacher began teaching a new math class called algebra. After weeks of struggling, my teacher called me into the hallway and told me that “some girls” just weren’t cut out to learn/understand math or science and that I wouldn’t be required to do the work but that they would give me a passing grade anyway. (I had been a straight-A student until that class and had never had to struggle to learn anything before.) I was relieved and annoyed at the same time. I knew that a ‘C’ would spoil my GPA, but relieved because I wouldn’t have to struggle anymore. Kind of a mixed bag, huh? Thank heaven the belief about girls not being able to do algebra/higher math, is now recognized as a fallacy. My granddaughters are just as good as my grandsons in math and science! No more gender excuses!
My God, I have been saying this for YEARS!
I sends my children to W HITE private B aptist A cademy,
and I can tell you they lil r ocket s cientists. Always telling me bout
my spelling and IMPROPER use of the English language! Ima whup they lil
over-educated a ss!
I had the same happen to me. Its also happening with my daughter currently. This upcoming year I’m taking a gamble for a brand new charter school for her. All of her classes are “advanced” and she is still not being challenged. Whether this new school will be beneficial is unknown, but I know where she is at now is not. 3 schools in 3 years has to be hard on her, but as a parent I have to keep trying. As a single father I realize I don’t have the time to home school her or get her private education, as a person I realize I don’t have the skills to teach her.
My advice for parents in similar situations…. keep pushing, keep trying, our school system is in shambles because we keep lowering the bar. Govt and unions have destroyed these institutions. Do what you need to do and whats best for your child.
I can add to this. My 8th grade history teacher hated me because I was able to pass all the tests without ever doing the homework, since I had already learned all that material on my own. She had a bunch of remedial studies programs that she wanted everyone to do over the course of the year to supplement the class work, which I never did either, since I didn’t need them. She hated that too. I passed the class, but through a sick twist of events, she ended up as my 10th grade history teacher too. On the first day of class she told me, “You won’t pass this class like you did last time.” Fortunately, I moved to a different school that year and found a history teacher that actually appreciated intelligent students.
If you can’t do… teach. I had teachers in high school (graduated 1972) who had no business teaching. 15 Years later when my kid was in high school she had a biology teacher who many parents had complained about. We were told “He should be retiring in the next couple of years”
Don’t tell me, It was “Make HER look Bad”. Sounds like the lazy POSs I used to work with in Civil Service. When you did a GREAT job, fast and didn’t waist any material you were never applauded ,,,you “made us look bad”. Sadly this mentality is now in our schools as well. Disgusting, the teacher needs to be call down and reprimanded for Stymieing the child’s productivity. Hey, where are all the “It’s not fair for the kids” crowd on this one,,,huh.
Can you please load more ads on your page it is moving to fast it is not bogged down enough (SARCASM)
Those who cannot do; teach…
My favorite part about this is how ingenius and distinctive this woman describes herself while making very simple spelling errors.
Anyone ever read ‘Harrison Bergeron’? It’s set in America in 2080. Everyone is equal in the eyes of man and the law. Smart People wear devices to disrupt their thoughts, beautiful people wear masks, athletes have to wear weights. Removal is punishable by law. All in the name of ‘equality’. No man is better than the other. Well, we are on our way there. Our ‘everyone gets a trophy’ attitude is stripper kids of coping skills, not letting them face reality. Attitudes like this are steering us towards a future like in this tale.
I fought this same battle when my kids were in grade and high school. My sons went to Catholic High School, and my daughter went to a Math and Science Charter High School. In all cases, it was a fight to teach them real history. Two of them came home and told me the teacher said I was the cause of slavery. One came home and told me that I should be giving my position to a minority. No reason, just that it was the right thing to do. I literally had to re-educate my children. They all came around, but the indoctrination goes on literally unchecked…
In 1970 when my daughter was 4 going on 5 she started Kindergarten, The teacher asked to see me after about 2 weeks. She told me to stop teaching my daughter the alphabet, how to write, numbers and to read because that was her job not mine. I was appalled. I went to the principal and he told me that my daughter was bored because she knew everything the teacher was trying to teach and it was frustrating for the teacher. WHAT? I asked him to advance her then and was told because she was the youngest in the class it wouldn’t be a good idea because she would be with older children. Very frustrating for me also. I heard this teacher stopped teaching Kindergarten and went to 3rd grade.
The cursive thing happened to me in 2nd grade…and in 3rd grade I was reading War of the Worlds and Frankenstein. My teacher didn’t like that because I wasn’t reading bullshit like Beverly Cleary like she wanted us to.
Stupid freakiNG teachers. They need to be taught.
Well that’s good left wing logic, more so to do with Marxism. Everyone should be the same. If you pop your head above the line, it’s chopped off, so you’re in line with everyone else. Nobody fails. Everyone gets prizes, even the losers so their feelings don’t get hurt.( As if people give prizes in the real world to losers) I hate what the neo-left stands for. Evil people and sick ideology.
It’s even worse than that today. Here in 2015, the public school system sees your kids as being THEIR kids, where Mom and Dad are the interfering know-nothings who need to mind their own business and let the teachers raise “THEIR” kids the way THEY see fit. There’s a lot going on that parents have no idea about, with teachers pushing this cause, and that agenda, reading trash to the kids in class which most parents would forbid their kids to learn at school. Kids are kept soooo busy today, by having crazy amounts of homework to complete and with Mom and Dad forcing into their schedules whatever organized activities will fit, to where kids do not have the time to even think straight, let along share it with their parents when anything new or odd is introduced to them at school or on a field trip. You parents had better keep on top of it and talk to your children at length about what they are learning, because. Mom and Dad, when it comes to raising your kids… you have competition out there that you don’t even know about!
Nifty story, but not believable. One teacher, maybe. POSSIBLY even two. But this many teachers all trying to stunt the same student? B.S. ALERT! Yeah, “con” is an appropriate name for this site.
Was this a union shop? Enough said.
My 6th Grade teacher gave me a 0 on my first test because she thought I didn’t know how to spell my name, Geoffrey. Mom gave her an earfull, “Don’t you know who Chaucer is?” She was my English teacher.
When I was in 5th Grade way back when, my teacher asked me to teach the Astronomy section in science because I knew the subject better than her. Fast forward to a college I had to go to to get a trade certification. One of the courses was “Communications” and the project was to write a book report. I got it back with a big ‘F’ on it. When I asked why, she replied ‘No one who comes to this place has ever read those authors you cite. Even I have never read those authors. (I referred to Blake). You plagiarized this.” Through gritted teeth, I said “All I need from this course is a C. Give me a C, I won’t come back and I won’t get you fired for making a false accusation’. Yes, education has taken a precipitous decline in 20 years.
That’s because the students have to do it a certain way on the test or they get it wrong and the teacher looses their job. Case in point I actually taught my first graders this year and now I’ve been laid off. I didn’t teach a test. I taught my students to enjoy math and reading. Don’t blame the teachers blame your self for letting politicians and business men run the schools.
It’s called brainwashing, and they are winning in the schools.
This has been happening for a long time…and even in college. Back in 1970 I had a math professor take my exam grade from a 96 to an 87…but I couldn’t find more than my one mistake to justify that grade. He told me that he didn’t teach me the way I solved many of the problems, to which I answered…I showed my work…I learned that way in high school. He said I should have solved it the way he taught and the grade stood. I never signed up with him again.
Both my kids go to public, and I have never had any of their teachers tell them to stop reading above their level, or change the way they solve their math problems. I have to say we are lucky, we have gotten some really great teachers, both my children have had excellent grades and very encouraging teachers since the beginning.
Liberalism pandering to the lowest common denominator.
Common core will fix this. It’s designed to make every child equal. Some are more equal than others of course. The ones with the parents who have the right thoughts.
Fire your web-designer…
“Too many teachers are teaching what to think instead of how to think”
Obviously, whoever wrote this is not familiar with “No Child Left Behind”. This is what you supported when you supported Bush. If it’s not on the test, it will not be taught. Multiple choice tests are what you want, multiple choice education is what you get. (Multiple choice tests do not require actual thinking)
PS- Have you ever tried to read a kid’s cursive writing before they have been taught how to do it?
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