Legit: Tennessee high school senior decimates Common Core About Latest Posts Joshua RiddleCo-founder of Young Conservatives. Graduate of Dartmouth College. Read more Latest posts by Joshua Riddle (see all) Astronaut’s tribute to Spock and Leonard Nimoy from outer space is breathtaking - February 28, 2015 Obama tears up while saying goodbye to race-baiter Eric Holder - February 28, 2015 AWESOME: Secret Jewish Meaning Behind Spock’s Vulcan Salute - February 28, 2015 Powered by Starbox Wow…this kid is going places, and it’s not because of Common Core. His name is Ethan Young and he is a senior. He presented his case at the Knox County School Board regular meeting on November 6, 2013. From the Web AJ Props to this kid. Both of my parents were teachers, my mom still is. She sees how awful this stuff is. I’m at school to become a teacher, and while I’m focusing on Tech Ed, and wouldn’t be as impacted by Common Core, once they see how much power they get from implementing it in a few subjects, they’ll force government-created curriculum on every class that schools offer. We need more people like this that actually take an in-depth look at what this would do to schools and students, and speak out against it. Jk AJ you will be affected by this big time. You just don’t know it yet. Thank you for wanting to be a teacher. So many are getting out as quick as they can. And fewer and fewer will want to be a teacher. rockhound talk about over kill are you telling me that anyone is watching the sign language? I Get It! You did. MikeDR2012 yes, mr hound, because some of us listened to a little too much rock in our younger years and have a hard time hearing. Sorry that you have the attention span of a dog eyeballing a squirrel. The rest of us can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time, so we’re able to watch the video and not be distracted by the sign language. Mark Morris Wow, really rock, You are core educated! Sorry about that! Hooah Angel Actually, I worked for a Deaf program for two years, so yes, I was watching the ASL interpreter. Not to mention, at most public hearings, this is not uncommon. Dalene Kolk Bravo young man for standing up for your peers, and future generations of students! You will be a big part in the war to fight the “dumbing down” of America! We need more students like you! Jonathan Courtney yes UNITED STATES INC. has designed schools to dumb down kids.. this is why there are for profit prisons and schools look like prisons.. it’s prep school kccoallday Remind me again which political party supports private prisons and supports laws (like marijuana laws) that help keep prisons full… grooooved Remind me again of “which party” supports the constitutional republic. Open your eyes – the whole concept of these bought and paid for parties is only giving us the false illusion of choice. kccoallday So this is your defense of the Republican position on these issues? To simply claim that the Democrats aren’t much better? Oline Wright someone once said that the 2 major parties are too cheeks on the same butt (paraphrased to make it a bit less vulgar) And I have come to believe this is true. They both do the same type thing push for further control over the populace they just differ on the methods. I have voted and been aligned with each of them over the years for the republicans I aligned with the party to vote against someone planning to run for governor of Kansas in the primary because I tend to vote independently not following a party ticket. And I have been known to vote one party for President while voting the opposite party for congressional positions. I would rather congress do nothing instead of continually eroding the rights of American citizens. I frankly would love to see most Americans vote for any party but the “big two” Just once. It might just send a message to the government that we the people are not pleased with how they are running our country. kccoallday Again, I agree the 2-party system is imperfect, but it’s what we’re basically stuck with for now. Given that…what rights are Democrats trying to take away? They are fighting for the rights of minorities, homosexuals, women. Jeff Schwager One can be sincere, and sincerely wrong at the same time. Are minorities best helped when they are given freebies and handouts? Or are they best served if they are given a hand up so that they can earn their place in society and contribute, rather than parasite off others? Is society better off if we treat homosexuals as if their lifestyle “choice” is socially acceptable, healthy and good? Does destroying the integrity of the family unit strengthen society? As a parent, if you could make the choice, would you choose to raise a straight or a gay child? If so, why? Are all jobs acceptable for women to fill? Why don’t we see more women in the NFL, NBA, etc. Truth be told, men and women are different — in case you hadn’t noticed. People should be compensated based on their fitness to do a particular task and ability to be productive in that task regardless of gender. There are things women do better than men, and things men do better than women. Like it or not, we are what God made us and we should learn to like the skin we’re in. Gregory Reynolds I will answer that. Are minorities best helped when they are given freebies and handouts? Your assumption is that its minorities that are receiving or have had programs setup so that they can receive free help. If you were to do your research you would find that the minority that most of these programs were setup to help was whites that were struggling. These programs actually excluded women adn people of color in their initial draft and thought. Knowing that information you would also learn that the majority of recipients of said services are not minorities. Whites still make up the majority of the recipients in many of the RED states to this day. I will leave you to your opinions on the rest of that. Keely Shaper Can you post sites to back your claim? The Democratic party also wanted to keep slavery and were the creators of the Jim Crow laws. shivabeach How many years ago and who did those Democrats become? The republican party of the south Gregory Reynolds Very true but the Democratic Party you speak of is now the new Republican party and the Dixie crats from the South make up its ranks. You can actually check the provisions of the New Deal and implementation of Social Security and any sites simply by googling Welfare and its creation. Max Casey What? the Dixie crats are now the Republicans? Robert Byrd never left the Democrat party. Al Gore and his father never left the Democrat party. By virtue of being from the south and being conservative one is of the mindset of the 60’s Democrat racist? That’s simply retarded and without foundation. dedicated teacher That is because the ideologies have shifted. By Civil War standards our Republicans would be Democrats and our Democrats would be Republicans. BigNatey No, Abe Lincoln would not be cool with gay marriage. Get real, dolt. dedicated teacher Seriously, that argument doesn’t even make any sense. Take a college level history class and you will learn that the ideologies have shifted. Plus, since Lincoln was gay her might be cool with gay marriage. (Note: that last line was a joke for those people who believe Lincoln was gay) Also, if you have to result to name calling then maybe you don’t have a very good argument. dedicated teacher I was thinking about this comment last night. First of all, let’s look at this from today’s perspective. If we teleported the Republicans and Democrats back in time would any of them support slavery. I doubt today Jefferson Davis would support it, but he was willing to fight and risk his life for it back then. I love how you have to use straw man fallacy and call names! You can’t really judge today’s issues with those in the 1860’s. We are completely different types of people. Tim Newton Sorry to be rude, but that is the stupidest comment on this whole message board. Abe Lincoln was a Republican, but I will bet you top dollar he would not be a Republican by today’s standards. And the Democratic party back then was the party of southern white men. Clearly the Republican and Democratic parties respectively do not stand for the same things they did in the 1860s. dedicated teacher You are not sorry to be rude. If you were then you would have left it out and just put your comment. Why can’t people just debate without calling names and putting insults? Keely Shaper “Rudeness is the weak man’s imitation of strength.” -Edmund Burke dedicated teacher I agree with you. It isn’t just minorities. I heard an African American writer in an interview talking about how he thinks racism is actually changing to more of an social/economical discrimination that will no long be based on race, but your income. However, I do want to point out because my college professor who hated whites loved pointing out that the majority of people on welfare were white, of course the majority are white. The majority of this country is white. If we had a majority of people on welfare minorities that would mean there is a huge wage discrepancy among the white majority and other minorities in this country as far as pay. That used to be the case, but now is beginning to close. dedicated teacher And if anyone is interested my college professor was from Mexico. She is not native born and I always wondered why if you hate us so much why live here? troggot_bot your bias is sort of extrapolated from, “isn’t just minorites” obv there is little to be said when you can’t piece together a sentence of worht. MLKJr. next task (i hear) was to work (as he did with minorities) on class welfare (which has nothing to do with being a minority.) ofc he was killed before he could bring to the front his ideology of things other than race. dedicated teacher Troggot_bot, could you elaborate? From what I am reading I think you and I are on the same page. If I confused you with my story about college it was kind of off topic, because I was responding to Gregory Reynolds pointing out more whites are on public assistance. Yes as a white person that offends me, just as the people stereotyping minorities as those who just live off the system should offend minorities. I will say I disagree with your opinion on my writing, but I probably am biased in that area too. knowmore-nomore Couldn’t agree more! So tired of people who can’t be bothered by the facts. They have their minds made up and that is the end of all rational discourse And people wonder how Hitler rose to power… wohlgemuth Wow there goes the constitution down the drain with bias. You can have your beliefs but let me have mine and let everyone else have theirs and man stop throwing that first stone even if you do it with good grammar it is still a stone. Matt Squibb One can be sincere, and sincerely wrong at the same time. Way to prove your point by creating false analogies and spreading Fox fear ! shivabeach Its so very easy to talk about freebies and handups for the poor, especially when those handups do not exist. Just saying go out and get a job no longer works. Gay people do not make the choice you so easily use. Gay people do not destroy the integrity of marriage, the 50% divorce rate of heterosexuals do that. And finally, Democratic does not = socialism. Socialism is your military, your police, the roads you drive on and moist everything else in your life except your job. Your last sentence smacks of a poor job of research. Try it some day. And for gods sake, disconnect from Breitbarts brain. Keely Shaper Disconnect from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and all other liberal media outlets. You might actually learn something. shivabeach No small surprise that’s all you can respond to. I go by who is voting for what. You lose Keely Shaper I go by principle, not party. I go by what a person’s done, not what they can promise me, especially at the expense of someone else, something liberals love to vote for. Funny that I simply ask for you to get your information from somewhere other than liberal media, and the only response you have is “you lose.” Bravo,that must have taken a lot a hard work to come up with that response. shivabeach No, you simply wanted me to go where the lies fly fast and furious. You responded to nothing I said except that you cant unhook from Breitbarts brain. I use one television news source and it wasn’t any of your noted channels. As for your “something liberals love to vote for” and “at the expense of someone else” all you prove is you have only others quotes to go by. You try so hard to be superior yet still are using someone else’s BS. Stop wasting my time. Go start another war “at the expense of someone else” Go kill healthcare so people can go back to the emergency room “at the expense of someone else” Keely Shaper The ACA isn’t healthcare, it’s insurance, and it is at the expense of someone else. Instead of trying to insult me, how about you do some research, and from sources that are creditable. shivabeach Oh my, speaking of credibility, yours is pretty lax. The ACA is not insurance. Nor is it government insurance. It is a system of laws designed to determine what is and is not required to be covered by insurance provided by..yes…private healthcare corporations. When you get insurance on the website, you purchase an insurance plan for which you pay the premium. YOU pay. However this will please you immensly, its pure socialism. When you get insurance, and go to the doctor, other people are paying for it who are in the same group as you! And you, are paying for them to dgo to the doctor too! JUST LIKE INSURANCE plans operate right now. Unbelievable. to quote someone, how about you do some research, and from sources that are creditable. Stop wasting my time with crap from the sources you support. Keely Shaper It must be nice to see the world through rose colored lenses. Let me simplify this for you; I cannot have any more children, yet the ACA is now forcing insurance companies to implement prenatal care and birth control, even to those, like myself, who cannot have children. Now, why would I need that? That wasn’t in my other insurance, nor was I paying for someone else’s prenatal care, and/or birth control while my other plan existed. Unlike insurance before, now we have rationing and death panels. When doctors are redefining words, like cancer, to fit the budget, instead of the person. Yeah, we don’t have preexisting conditions anymore, but now someone who is waiting for transplants will wait 3-5 years longer b/c of this “healthcare”. It’s suppose to be “affordable” yet I haven’t seen a damn thing that makes this “affordable”. My premiums went up 15% and my deductible is 3x what it was. The website is a joke, and a total mess, yet these are the very people I’m entrusting not only my health, but the health of my children to. How does this benefit the country, let alone me?? shivabeach And yet when you go to work, and get your insurance, you pay for childrens prenatal care. Stop being silly. The instant your employer takes your share out of the check you are paying for others coverage. You pay for cancer, drugs and those little brats children. Nothing has changed, You cant blame Obamacare for your premiums going up, blame your providers who are screwing you for profit. BTW, the website works fine. Herr Boehner just used it and got his insurance. And so did I Keely Shaper First, prenatal is before birth. Second, I custom tailored my plan to fit my needs, not the needs of others. Third, and most important of all, it was my choice to sign up for insurance, I wasn’t force to have it. shivabeach I call that bull. You tailored nothing. You get standard plans. After that, evena caveman knows it takes less then 1/10th of a second to get hurt. No insurance? Your at the expense of someone else. Step up, we have one of the worst systems in the industrialized world. This is at least a step forward. If you dont care about yourself, care about your kids before the Cruz’s and daddy take your kids rights to their own bodys away Keely Shaper Because you were there and you know what I picked in my plan, don’t you. The ACA is NOT a step forward, and to think that would be is foolish. You’ll eventually see what I’m talking about, though I’m afraid it will be too late to do anything about it. When it does happen, the realization that the Republicans and Libertarians have been right this whole time, I just want you to think back on this conversation. shivabeach No, the republicans are not right. They want you to be able to be dropped for profit. They want your kid to die is the insurance provider says so. They want the by far biggest reason for bankruptcy in this land which is healthcare costs to stay that way. And you do to. The above is a tiny list of what the GOP wants for you. Prices that were doubling and tripling yearly. And you dont seem to care about anyone but yourself. On a single plan? Get cancer, get dropped. They did it to my brother. And they will laugh at you while they do it to your parents, kids and family They will not even consider an alternative. That’s how little they think of you. As for the libertarians, they have never been right about anything except for the fact that want open season on your self for others profit. So easy to run around saying the liberty word, but you have no idea whose liberty they have in mind. Its not yours. Giant step forward. Get away from the I got mine screw you people. Its not very American like not Kidding Those are not true,” liberal media.” If you want liberal media, try the comedy of George Carlin dedicated teacher No, but there is plenty of opportunity to get training or an education if you are poor and I see too many people willing to forgo putting effort into getting a better job since the government subsidizes their minimum wage income. My husband works at a pork processing plant. It is hard physical work. The company has looked to Latin America to fill job positions. Not because they have an innate affection for illegal immigrants, but rather because turnover in the mid 90’s was extremely high. Why work like a dog for $12 an hour when you can work at McDonald’s for minimum wage and then get TANF and make about the equivalent of $12 an hour. I am in awe of my husband. He does not have a college education. He has gotten up at 3 a.m. for 20 years and puts his body through torment daily. I message his shoulder to try and ease the pain at night. He could throw in the towel and go to a cheaper paying job, but he was raised that TANF is what is called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, not a lifestyle. I know families that could work where my husband does, but why when you are on your third generation of welfare and you can buy that plasma screen tv with your earned income check? Gregory Reynolds Thats where the so-called socialist you all call him, President Obama steps in. What he’s done is initiated programs that actually make it harder to provide welfare to recipients and put in place programs that the unemployment office offer to train unemployed people for new skills in order to receive limited terms of unemployment. He’s also imposed a penalty/tax on those not getting health insurance coverage (you know most of those are recipients of some kind of assistance) so that buying those plasmas and other things that don’t meet their need will be lessened. Most of you haven’t really paid attention to what is really happening. Most of the policies this administration has passed could be considered conservative but the smoke screen put up by the Tea Party and Faux News keeps you from really paying attention. dedicated teacher The thing about this is I have never called Obama a socialist. I won’t assume I know what all your thoughts and ideologies are and I ask the same of you. I know that he has offered unemployment incentives to go back to school, but that only covers those who have lost a job. I know that he has opposed a penalty on those who do not buy health insurance, but here in Illinois they are extending Medicade to cover adults and not just children, pregnant women, and those with life threatening diseases. So in essence they now will qualify for more aid. Not that I am against covering people for health care. I believe everyone should have healthcare. It is the fact we just keep giving to them with no stipulation. I have heard there are states that cut off SNAP after five years of assistance. I would love to see data about how many go out and get training to get better paying jobs when push comes to shove. I agree for those who don’t qualify for Medicade it will be very hard. Only time will tell. Maybe you are right and I am wrong and these policies put in place by Obama will curb waste of aid. Having lived in a small poor town I see the abuse and waste of the aid. There kids could go to college for practically free and because we do what we are supposed to and work hard we get no help. These are people I grew up with. I know them personally and know they could get out to the factory and do the same job my husband does, but they choose not to. Then I have to listen to the same people complain about the Hispanics in town because the factory couldn’t keep enough people working consistently. Sorry, but it kind of jades your perspective. whatahorse Well said! Max Casey His policies are not conservative. Borrowing 7 trillion dollars is not conservative. Borrowing 7 trillion dollars is the largest tax on private wealth ever seen by a sitting president by virtue of reducing the buying power of an individuals wealth. You could say he’s more of a Republican than George Bush was, but don’t call him conservative. Republican and Conservative are not synonyms. Keely Shaper He is a socialist, there is no “so-called” about it. Gregory Reynolds In what way? Where did you receive your education on this matter? How did you get there? Do you even know what socialism is? May want to stay off those conservative media stations like Faux News and learn something on your own. Keely Shaper Yes, and graduated with Honors from my school. Socialism a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. Keely Shaper I don’t watch the news, I read it through several media outlets. I also don’t believe what the president says, nor anyone from his administration. Actions speak louder than words, always have. Obama’s actions, whether he wants us to believe it or not, is toward a socialist way of life. Gregory Reynolds Critics of Barack Obama often label him as a socialist, a term of derision in American politics. Socialism is viewed by many Americans as an extreme brand of liberalism. Accordingly, as a political tactic, Republicans try to tether Democrats to this label, just as Democrats try their best, equally unfairly, to tether Republicans to the most extreme forms of conservatism. In the case of Barack Obama, not only is he not a socialist, but in many ways he is the antithesis of a socialist. In fact, self-avowed socialists are less than enchanted with Barack Obama and often protest his policies. Contrary to popular belief, few economic systems are truly capitalist or socialist. Most are mixed economies with elements of both private enterprise and public ownership. Socialism is a system wherein the population of a nation controls the means of production, not private individuals. There are many socialist elements in the U.S. including public beaches, public transportation, and public parks. Concomitantly, there are numerous capitalist elements, as evidenced by the millions of active businesses operating in the U.S. An example of a leader who came to office and swung the ideological pendulum toward Socialism was French President Francois Mitterrand who assumed office in 1981. He called his domestic legislative program “the rupture with capitalism.” The altarpiece of the Mitterrand agenda was the nationalization of 38 French banks. Barack Obama has done nothing to move the ideological pendulum in the direction of socialism. In fact, he has been a tribune of private industry, often saving private businesses from bankruptcy. By contrast, Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt, by establishing Social Security in 1933, and Lyndon B. Johnson, by making Medicare the law of the land in 1965, swung the ideological pendulum in the direction of Socialism. In his first year in office, Barack Obama authorized $80 billion from the Troubled Relief Assets Funds to loan to General Motors and Chrysler to keep them out of bankruptcy. The result is that two Fortune 500 companies benefited directly from Obama’s actions. A socialist would have submitted legislation to the U.S. Congress, proposing to nationalize the nation’s automobile industry, putting its ownership into public hands. One could argue that the bailout was “crony capitalism” in that the two automobile companies, endowed with highly compensated lobbyists, received the loan while many other companies went bankrupt. Shoring up private companies is not socialism. In fact, it is the antithesis of socialism. One year later, Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordability Act, a.k.a. Obamacare. The act requires every American to have health insurance. This act does not nationalize the healthcare industry, but instead provides government subsidies to private insurance companies. In effect, the nation’s health care industry received about 31 million new customers courtesy of Uncle Sam. Furthermore, the legislation does not eliminate the partial anti-trust exemption that the industry benefits from. In effect, it allows healthcare organizations to operate similar to monopolies in the area of consolidation. A socialist would have introduced legislation to nationalize the American healthcare industry, effectively eliminating the nation’s private health insurance market. Americans would lose the option of purchasing health insurance on the private market, and Medicare would be extended to every American. All Americans would have full dental and medical insurance provided to them by the federal government. Ironically, Obama’s plan is very similar to the one offered by Republican President Richard M. Nixon in 1974. Nixon’s plan, like Obama’s plan, was a comprehensive Health Insurance Reform Program which would mandate that all Americans have health insurance, with the federal government subsidizing those who could not afford it. Nixon said in his 1974 State of the Union Address: “The time is at hand to bring comprehensive, high quality health care within the reach of every American.” Ironically again, the Democratically controlled U.S. Congress did not move on Nixon’s plan, arguing that it would be a boon to the insurance industry. If Obama were truly a Socialist, one would think that actual Socialists would be singing his praises. In fact, the opposite is true. Brian Patrick Moore was the presidential nominee of the Socialist Party USA in 2008. He proudly wears the Socialist label and gets offended when he hears Obama being called a socialist. For Moore, Obama is “an insult to socialism.” Moore is one of Obama’s most vociferous critics. Moore calls Obama “a corporate lackey owned by interest groups” and says that Obama “supports programs that benefit the status quo and protects the powerful capitalist system.” It is quite evident that private corporations have benefited from the Obama presidency. Alternatively, under a socialist system, these corporations would be nationalized. In reality, Obama’s policies are the antithesis of socialism. If one is insistent on labeling Barack Obama, perhaps former U.S. Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) comes the closest in terms of accuracy. He declares that Obama is not a socialist but a “corporatist.” Paul maintains that Obama takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.” That may be rhetorical hyperbole, but the larger point is that rather than working to nationalize the American economy, Obama has ministered to the needs of private corporations, providing them with support and capital. Not only is Barack Obama not a socialist, he is, in many respects, the antithesis of the ideology of socialism. Keely Shaper Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. Keely Shaper Wow, you copied and pasted something from the Huffington Post, the most liberal news site out there, and you didn’t site your work, which is a felony under Copyright Protection Act. You can’t take work from someone else and pass it off as your own. Your creditability from here on out is nonexistent. Your “comment” can be found here. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rich-rubino/barack-obama-a-socialist-_b_3129376.html BlueCowboy “Graduated with honors” yet you don’t know the difference between “site” and “cite”? dedicated teacher BlueCowboy, Keely Shaper used the homophones correctly. Cite is to give credit to an author or mention something to support your idea. Site is a place for a particular activity, which includes websites. Gregory Reynolds Thats where the so-called socialist you all call him, President Obama steps in. What he’s done is initiated programs that actually make it harder to provide welfare to recipients and put in place programs that the unemployment office offer to train unemployed people for new skills in order to receive limited terms of unemployment. He’s also imposed a penalty/tax on those not getting health insurance coverage (you know most of those are recipients of some kind of assistance) so that buying those plasmas and other things that don’t meet their need will be lessened. Most of you haven’t really paid attention to what is really happening. Most of the policies this administration has passed could be considered conservative but the smoke screen put up by the Tea Party and Faux News keeps you from really paying attention. shivabeach The people you talk about are a very very small minority. Most of the people on assistance work 1 to 3 jobs to make ends meet. I am sorry but that screed may work here, but not in reality Max Casey The poor or anyone else for that matter are not entitled to a job or the product of anyone else for that matter. What they are entitled to is their right to pursue a job, a career, or to produce for themselves. Its fairly simple folks. If you want to not be poor, you have to produce something of value, or be something of value to someone else. If you are working three low paying jobs, its because your skill set can be replaced with ease, not because someone is trying to screw you over necessarily. if there is no opportunity where you live, go where the opportunity is (legally of course), or create an opportunity where you are. Sometimes you just have to pack up your things and take a bus to a new town to pursue opportunity. people get stuck thinking that what they “want” or what they think is “fair” should shape reality and it doesn’t and won’t. shivabeach But they are still people. You remember people right? Fellow Americans? You have no idea how funny you are telling the weakest among us to move along little doggie. Max Casey Should the weakest, or laziest live like kings? What standard should they have? Who should set the standard? Where will the wealth come from to give to the weakest and laziest? And who gets to decide that those who will be sacrificing their wealth or prosperity don’t deserve to keep it? Who is the arbiter of all this “judgement”? The government? The people? Majority rule? If society can dictate and violate a man’s rights for the sake of another then answer me this: “How many men would it take to vote the panties off of an unwilling woman?” shivabeach You are of course allowing your imagination to run amuck. But on the bright side I am glad to see you support gay rights, the right of choice to get an abortion and the non right of the rich to determine the poors future shivabeach You are of course allowing your imagination to run amuck. But on the bright side I am glad to see you support gay rights, the right of choice to get an abortion and the non right of the rich to determine the poors future http://www.rawon10.com/ Lisa Viger is Raw on $10 a Day Often, the weakest and the laziest ARE the kings. And can I just say how creepy and weird your “panties” comment is? Why are guys like you always total pervs? http://www.rawon10.com/ Lisa Viger is Raw on $10 a Day Oh, definitely!! These lazy bums are nothing but low skill “useless eaters!!” They are “life unworthy of life” if they can’t produce something a corporation values! I’m sure MANY illustrious people in history have agreed with you!! I bet you’re a real good Christian, too, Max! I’m sure Jesus wouldn’t feed those nasty poor people either!! Max Casey Feeding poor people out of one’s own volition is one thing. Being forced to do so at the threat of force by a government is entirely a different thing. People like you Lisa are so stuck in a philosophical black hole you can’t even grasp that forcing someone to comply with your beliefs is a violation of their right to hold and form their own values. I never said they are unworthy of life so don’t put words in my mouth. One’s ability to be successful at life is not the responsibility of his or her neighbor. You can’t force someone to live for the sake of another, hell that is the definition of slavery. Its not about “producing” something a corporation values, its about have skills, or producing something of value to another, so that you can trade that skill or item for something of value to you. Its the cornerstone of a free market, of lassez-fair capitalism. Being poor, or not having any skills does not entitle you to jack shit. If people choose to be charitable then that is their choice. Choice is the key here. If one will not take the necessary steps to meet the requirements of life, do they deserve to live? Nature dictates that the individual won’t survive. Who are you to force me to exist that they might live despite their inability to do for themselves? People like you like to think people like me a horrible type. But it is you who are the horrible person. Hiding behind some veil of “morality” while you demand, legislate and force others to sacrifice their lives for the sake of those who have done nothing to deserve it. I cannot think of a more vile or twisted set of values to hold than to believe that a man does not have a right to his own life. If Jesus disagrees with that, then Jesus is an idiot. http://www.rawon10.com/ Lisa Viger is Raw on $10 a Day Yes, Max, you have the exact same mindset as the Nazis who killed disabled children because they weren’t productive.. To which poor child or destitute mother do you think Jesus would have refused food? Especially in a land and time of obscene plenty and abundance? As far as being “forced” to contribute … I suspect you use public roads, not to mention that you benefit many times daily from collectively funded things … And here’s how I feel about that … You can keep all “your” money when you agree to stay on your own private compound, drive no further than your own private road will take you (that would be your driveway), provide your own fire and police protection, furnish your own food, water, telephone, internet, and health care, and school your own children. Because ALL of those things are provided in some way through collective measures. And if you continue to try sponging off the rest of us without paying your fair share, then call yourself what you really are … a no-good freeloader. Jay This is a fallacy in thinking that most people on assistance work 1 to 3 jobs to make ends meet. I grew up in the inner city and found it to be quite the opposite. Many are raised to be entitled and tied to the welfare system. It’s advocated from generation to generation or a result of extremely poor life choices that are repeated. I certainly wish my tax dollars went to the “needy” but the definition of needy in the US is certainly different than the rest of the world. The truly poor and starving here is rare. Are people aligned in different social classes? Sure. If you do not choose secondary education and you choose to work fast food or retail, you will not be able to have the ridiculous celebrity lifestyle that is perpetuated on TV. Living within your means is a concept that many lower class and upper class American’s cannot grasp. The chance to be educated and retain a job in this country is greater than everywhere else in the world. If you are a minority, the opportunity is greatly increased. Which people do not have access to education or the means to obtain education or a skilled trade? shivabeach Fortunately the needy in the suburbs vastly outnumber those in the inner city some of whom seem locked forever in the welfare scheme. It doesn’t matter what the definition between here and there is.The cost of living here makes up for it here. The chances for everyone to be educated and get ahead has been greatly decreased now that corp[orations hire far fewer people and work less people harder. The difference between when I entered the work force 45 years ago and now is extreme today the least. When I graduated practically (1968) the entire graduating class of 350 pple could have went to work for GM. Today, very very few have that chance. Thats an example Jay I agree with you. There does seem to be a perceptual pattern of some areas of our cities that never progress. It’s a complex problem with lots of attention given to it from many city councils but no real resolutions. I have yet to see a large urban area garner success in educating the masses of students who are disadvantaged from birth. I think this warrants a larger discussion but the problem starts and ends at home. There needs to be a strong parental figure that emphasizes education and achievement, not social justice. I agree again on the GM issue. I grew up in a steel town (Middletown, OH) and the local mill, AK Steel (formerly Armco Steel) was the “go-to” place for many who did not attend college and wanted a stable job. Unfortunately, due to state regulations and the overwhelming drug and alcohol problems that plague the citizens of that town, many are just unemployable and AK steel now hires through a government office that requires an extensive process and waiting period. Max Casey Another typical untruth. Socialism is not military, police, or roads or most everything else in your life. Ignorant. Socialism is a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies. AKA the government owns the private property and controls the means of production. You are a product of the system. The dumbing down of society to the point where you don’t even understand the philosophical principles you are defending. shivabeach Well thats excellent. You have just proven we have no socialism here. Thank you. Max Casey You’re welcome. http://www.rawon10.com/ Lisa Viger is Raw on $10 a Day Socialism is where the workers control the means of production. Max Casey Tell you what Webster, why don’t you look at the definition of the term right from where I got it: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism Guest LOL … Can you read? from Merriam-Webster.com b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state ChrisG I love it when people post in absolutes. What is this “moral” judgement you’re placing on homosexuals? Or minorities and females? Is it the bible? If so, that’s a whole other topic. Some of us heretics don’t believe that the bible is more than just an old book with some outlandish stories. As far as the question as to what type of child I would choose to raise: a well-adjusted child who knows that his or her parents don’t care about sexual identity, yet care about his or her ability to be a meaningful contributor to society. BigNatey If you don’t care whether your child is gay or straight, then your genes deserve to be bred out of the human race. We don’t need your kind. Max Casey A gay couple raising a child and a hetero couple raising a child are actually apples and oranges. Anyone who has actually raised a child can tell you that the child pics up the nuances of the different sexes while growing and developing. they learn different aspects of their personality, such as empathy, confidence, logic, etc from the parents as well as a model of behavior and many other things simply by observing the environment. Its simply inaccurate to say that a homosexual couple will present the same environment that a hetero couple would. I’m not saying the homo environment would be bad though, simple that the products of the environment won’t be the same. Time will tell if the differences are destructive or not (the raising of children by homosexual couples is too new and too scarce to measure the impact at this point). On a scale though, I highly doubt the kid raised by a homosexual couple will be more f-ed up than the black child raised alone by his mother because his father was stereotypically absent. In making judgements of such things, we need to divorce our emotions from the choice and let logic rule. Different doesn’t mean bad. http://www.rawon10.com/ Lisa Viger is Raw on $10 a Day Wow, dude … closeted much? Andrew Ryan “Is society better off if we treat homosexuals as if their lifestyle “choice” is socially acceptable, healthy and good?” Yes. Simple answer to your question. apurva And what if a man and a woman are equally suited for a job? The woman is still paid less. Are you really trying to say, for example, that men are inherently better doctors than women? Just because of their gender? Then why do male doctors make $50,000 more [JAMA 2013] than female ones? BigNatey Ambition, assertiveness… other masculine qualities that you’ll never understand. I say this while entirely understanding that you might call yourself a “male” apurva Oh, and another thing: yes, I admit I would want to raise a straight child over a gay one. Why? Because I might not be able to bear seeing my gay child becoming miserable over the idiotic beliefs of the likes of you, who somehow think he or she deserves to be marginalized for a trait that (s)he was born. And yes, society is better off if we treat both gay and straight people as if their respective sexualities are socially acceptable, healthy, and good. Because they both are. And homosexual relationships don’t destroy the integrity of the family unit. You know what does? The divorce rate. So before you target same-sex couples who truly love each other by arguing that they’re destroying the sanctity of marriage, look at heterosexual marriages like those of Kim Kardashian (72 days to divorce) and Britney Spears (55 hours to annulment) and see if you can tell me with a straight face that these “partnerships” conserve the sanctity of marriage more so than having two men or two women who love each other get married. On another note, why do you believe that homosexual relationships destroy the sanctity of marriage? I’m genuinely curious. stimlin And you sir, are just an absolute idiot. GinaLutz I want to specifically address one of your questions: If I could make the choice to raise a straight or gay child – I would choose to raise a CHILD period. Gay, straight, bi, trans, mentally challenged, genius, physically challenged, star athlete, white, black, asian, hispanic, mixed race, CHILD. I choose to raise and guide to adult an INDIVIDUAL. It is not my choice to decide who my child is or who they will become later in life because that is completely up to their genetic makeup and individual preferences. My job as a parent is to support these preferences with unconditional love and acceptance and to teach morality – which in my opinion has nothing to do with being LGBT or straight, but everything to do with treating others with empathy and kindness. SteveS. They’re NOT fighting for the rights of minorities, homosexuals, women, they’re fighting for special privileges for those groups. Please be accurate. Stan the man Equal rights are not special rights. Equal pay for equal work? Marriage equality? Ending discrimination in the workplace and public accommodation based on the color of your skin? How are these special rights? Careful, your bigotry is showing. BigNatey After Obama fucked up, anyone who thinks he’s a bad president is a bigot now. That make everyone a bigot. Your word is meaningless, liberal. More Choices We’re only stuck with a two-party system because the voters have decided that voting for a third party candidate is the same as “throwing their vote away”. If everyone with this fear, and everyone who stayed away from the polls because they didn’t like the Dem or Rep candidate, would pick another party to vote for we would eventually have change. ColquittT No one is taking anything away from minorities or women. Why does one group of perfectly capable people need help? Aren’t we all equal here! I am completely for helping those that physically can’t, but there is no reason to receive help just because you are the minority. In fact I would venture to say that they “receive” more already than the majority does!! I think everyone should earn what they have! Whichever party says that, is the one I’ll be voting for littlepig117 We should be equal but i think this country’s history has proven that we are not Guest The second, the fourth, the first. You might want to do some research before speaking. Yes, they fought for equality with gay rights, but if you do some actually research you’d know that the democratic party was for slavery, and the Jim Crow laws. Keely Shaper 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th. You might want to read the NDAA and HR 347 bill. DB1954 Marriage will vanish as a cultural institution within … I’d say, 20 years. We can thank leftists for that. DB1954 Democrats are taxing the middle class into non-existence, and doing it all in the false claim to be acting to save the middle class. It’s called crony capitalism: a hand full of mega-corporations will own all and employ everyone, and the government will control all of them. The result will be two classes: the mega rich, like George Soros, Barack Obama, and all his cronies on the the political left, and everyone else: the former working and middle classes, who will have nothing and no hope of ever having anything ever again. There’s your demi-god, Obama’s “fundamental transformation.” It’s called what happens when FOOLS like you believe LIARS like B. Hussein Obama, aka, the Marxists and their buhttboys. kccoallday Another stupid birther. Since you clearly believe that Obama is Muslim (clearly evident by your inclusion of his middle name for no other apparent reason), and the fact that you consider anyone to the left of the Tea Party as “Marxists”, you clearly are not someone to be trusted to have an opinion on almost anything. Janet Williams Who knows what’s in his heart. But he was registered in two schools as a Muslim, Prayed at the mosque with his step-father, Found a “church” where the pastor was a “former” Muslim and still BFF with Louis Farrakhan…. DB1954 You’re right, Janet. No one can say what religion Obama really believes in with absolute certainty. In fact, we can’t know what religion ANYONE believes in, since religion is purely a phenomenon of the mind. We can only say what he appears NOT to believe based on his behavior, and his friends and associates. Obama therefore definitely lies when he says he’s a “Christian,” since that church he belonged to some time ago, the Trinity United Church of Christ and its former chief pastor, the “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright definitely aren’t Christian. Or to put the matter somewhat differently, if Wright is a Christian, he’s at best, a heretical Christian. For my part, I think that Obama is in truth, an atheist, since he and the Reverend Wright are both Marxists, and a Marxist is by definition, an atheist. Then again, when I see someone as obviously narcissistic as Obama, I think it’s possible he believes that HE’s God. Janet Williams I’ve read that “REV” Wright is a “former” Nation of Islam. It’s definite that he’s still best buddies with Louis Farrakhan. How the hell could he be a christian AND best buds with farrakhan? DB1954 I’ve also read something to that effect. I think I might have seen it on Breitbart Big Government or the American Thinker. I’ve actually seen a picture of Obama at a Nation of Islam rally. In any case, Wright is what Catholics, orthodox Protestants, and the Orthodox call a “heretic,” and his “liberation theology” is a heretical doctrine if ever there was for more than one reason. In fact, liberation theology is not only a Marxist (and therefore) anti-Christian doctrine, Wright’s version is grossly racist. It’s the greatest heresy since Unitarianism, but in my view, far more damaging to Christianity than any other. I recommend you go to the American Thinker website for more on J. Wright and Obama. You’ll be shocked to learn some of their theories about both. BTW, I just “followed” you on Twitter. kccoallday Even if what you claim is true, so what? What does his religion matter? We are a secular country, you can be any religion you want. Further proof that Christians think that we are a theocracy. DB1954 Birther huh? Sorry to disappoint, but that trite, meaningless, idiotic label, “birther” doesn’t apply to me. I’ve always believed that Obama was born in Hawaii, but since you insist that you know me so well, I don’t suppose it would do any good to tell you that I don’t think Obama is a Muslim either. That’s because he’s a Marxist, just like his mother, father and his American grandparents. If you didn’t know, Marxists are atheists. Belief in monotheism is completely inconsistent with a belief in Allah. In any case, anyone who uses that word “clearly” when he knows absolutely nothing about me, can clearly be said to be ignorant, not only about me, but about Mr. B. Hussein as well. By the way, how’s that “hope and change” working out for you? I suppose you’re doing well now that ACORN is back in business forcing people to sign up for Obombacare. kccoallday 1. If you’re not a birther, stop using his middle name when it isn’t necessary. Everyone on Earth knows who you are referring to if you say “Obama”, “Barack Obama”, or probably even “Barack”. Including his middle name serves no purpose, other than to imply that he is Muslim, even if you deny it. It’s not like George W. Bush, where his middle initial was relevant, considering his father of the same name was once President. 2. Obama is not a Marxist. Stop parroting stupid right-wing propaganda. If you think Obama is a Marxist, then you clearly do not understand what Marxism is. Even IF Obama was an atheist (clearly he is not), so what? We are a secular government that guarantees freedom of religion in the very first amendment to the Constitution. You are attempting to equate atheism and Marxism, which is dishonest. 3. How’s the hope and change working? A lot better than the “hope and change” sought after by the likes of the Tea Party and Mitt Romney. 4. ACORN? Again, another right-wing nonsensical talking point. “Signing up for Obamacare”?? Obamacare is a law. It does many things, including not allowing insurance companies to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, implement lifetime coverage caps, and many other things. It also implemented health exchanges where consumers can compare and purchase insurance through PRIVATE companies, just like always. It simply gives you a way to easily compare and select coverage. It is NOT government healthcare. But clearly you’re only interested in rhetoric, not facts. Jordan lol what?? this doesnt even make any sense.. what taxes?? PPACA doesn’t affect you unless you make over 200K.. What is your definition of middle class (what income levels??) The irony is that the GOP are the ones who wanted the 2009 – 2010 – 2011 tax cuts to end in 2012.. Obama extended the middle class cuts while getting rid of the upper class cuts.. (with the GOP whining the whole way) SO pretty much the opposite of what you are saying lol #getInformed Max Casey The democrats, by their vote for Obamacare, have taken away my right to choose not to purchase a product for one. If you really have to ask what rights they are trying to take away you are an ignorant individual. How about Gun rights for one? Google it. You’ll find Reid, Feinstein, Pelosi, Biden and more demanding we give up rights. How about the 4th amendment? Democrats are eroding that left and right. Minorities groups have no rights. As individuals we all have rights. And if democrats weren’t philosophically fucked up, they would be fighting for individual rights, not the rights of some group of people with common traits. kccoallday Nothing but hyperbolic paranoia and fear coming from you. First, you still have the option to not buy insurance. If you get caught without insurance, you’ll simply pay a tax. That’s it. As it stands, we all already pay for the uninsured who have to use the ER for healthcare and then cannot pay the bills. Everyone will need healthcare at some point in their life. To claim that you don’t need it is ridiculous. We already force people to carry auto insurance to drive, and most people drive. As for gun rights, please. Nobody is trying to ban firearms. What many on the left want to do is simply take measures to decrease the liklihood of mass killings, like expanded background checks or a system to track mental health. Yes, some want to re-institute the assault weapons ban, but even that would not take away anyone’s guns who currently owns them, and certainly falls far short of banning all firearms. The reason that people don’t take you people seriously is because you continually misrepresent the opposition. The Fourth Amendment? Again, just more right-wing claptrap. If you’re referring to NSA spying and such, those programs were in existence under Republican Presidents as well. It’s both sides, not just Democrats. Minorities have no rights? Well, they wouldn’t if people like you had their way. No, they don’t have SPECIAL rights, just equal rights…except the GOP constantly keeps that from occurring. Look no further than marriage equality. No “Democrats” aren’t philosophically wrong. You simply disagree, and so far every one of your “rebuttals” is easily refuted. John Beckwith Minorities have been voting for Liberal Democrats for 50yrs. Why is it they are still poor? They have controlled Congress for nearly ALL of those 50 plus years? Take a history class, the Republicans freed the slaves, gave the USA civil rights legislation and ENDED Jim Crow Laws. The Idiot Liberal Democrats you worship want to take the 1st, 2nd, 4th amendments etc. away with everything they do and propose. I realize that when you stand there with your handout and you are willing to take from others what you have not earned, it is hard to look at the world and base what you see on facts. kccoallday Ah yes, here we go again, another conservative ignorant of history!! First, let’s begin with your claims that the Republicans “freed the slaves, gave us civil rights legislation, and ended Jim Crow laws”. Yes, yes they did. HOWEVER, the two parties underwent a massive shift during said Civil Rights Era. The pre-Civil Rights Era Republican Party was progressive. It’s modern analogue is the Democratic Party. The pre-Civil Rights Era Democratic Party was conservative, and espoused ideas like racism and corporatism. Yes, the KKK was a Democratic organization as well. However, without the proper context, this is all meaningless. What you are doing is attempting to slander the modern Democratic Party by using Democratic positions from a century ago. Clearly all of these positions formerly held by the Democratic Party are today held by…..the GOP!!! Oops. Second, let’s address the issue of minorities voting Democratic. Duh! The Democratic Party best represents their interests. The Democratic Party has fought for equal rights and ending discrimination against minorities. You act like this is a surprise. It would be like feeling shocked that corporations and the filthy rich overwhelmingly vote Republican. Well, no kidding, since the GOP protects their interests. Now, there are many socioeconomic reasons why minorities are still poorer than the general population, and it isn’t just due to “liberal policies”. Every group of immigrants has had to struggle against the established majority in order to survive. Once it was the Germans or Irish or Asians, now it’s hispanics or blacks (who are still only a couple generations removed from the Civil Rights Era). This is nothing new. Next, let’s tackle your typical assertion that liberals are “looking for a handout”. False. I’ve worked full time since I was 15 years old. Even before that, I did jobs like lawn mowing or babysitting. I worked my way through high school and college, earned a Master’s Degree, and am now employed by a Fortune 100 Company. I seek no handouts. However, I realize that part of personal responsibility is social responsibility, which means I’m willing to live on a little less in order to ensure that the less fortunate are able to at least have the basic necessities. It not only keeps people free and out of prison, it is the decent and compassionate thing to do. There will ALWAYS be unemployment, no matter how well the ecomony is doing. It’s not a matter of not wanting to work, it’s a matter of circumstances. Just because a small fraction of people are lazy and will live off the government does not mean we should abandon all others. Finally, your typical right-wing accusations of the erosion of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments. Well, you haven’t provided any detail, but I haven’t seen the government stifling any freedom of press, speech, or religion. I’m assuming you’re going to go on some rant about Christian “persecution”, so just save it because it’s garbage. As for the 2nd amendment, nobody is trying to ban firearms. There are some who have legitimate concerns over certain types of weapons or the process for purchasing firearms, and they should at least be discussed. To claim that the government is trying to take away your right to bear arms is again overreaction and paranoid. Lastly, the 4th Amendment, I assume you’re referring to programs such as the NSA, which of course operated under Republican control as well, so stop trying to blame one party. Now, you were saying about facts? Brandy Thomson In the last election there were at least 5 candidates from all of the major parties in the US. There are not two! Turn off “faux” and look up your own info and stop digging for fights and find the party and suits your values and then you can at least be useful and spew up all their stuff instead of the crap you post! kccoallday Turn off faux? You mean Fox News? LOL, I never turned it on in the first place. Yes, there are primaries. But in the end only a choice between 2. Please clarify how my comments are “crap”. Seems to me based on the voting that more people agree with me than disagree. Paul Wade Considering the Constitution, what is the purpose of two political parties? Isn’t this one nation with a Congress of people who are there simply to represent ‘we the people’? When did the parties become the people? kccoallday The lines were pretty much drawn during the Civil War, and not much has changed politically since then, other than the names Democrat and Republican switching sides. Me The rights for a worker to keep their paycheck that THEY work for and instead distribute our monies to the lazy asses. Democrats weaken minorities by keeping them down w/ handouts and poor education instead of making them strive to rise above the circumstances. kccoallday So are you implying that Democrats don’t work, or that they aren’t also mostly comprised of the middle class? Because I’m fairly certain that people wouldn’t take their own paychecks and distribute them to other people unless it was willingly. Sounds to me like you’re full of rhetoric and hate, fueled by the right-wing media. You act like white people don’t get public assistance. You clearly have something against minorities by singling them out. tim Typical human idiocy. You aren’t stuck with anything. This is a republic. A government for the people, by the people. If you don’t like what your township is doing, gather everyone to sign a petition that taxes will not be paid unless demands a, b, and c are met. What are they going to do? You give the government power through taxes. If you don’t like how something is being done, then why not join those of us who are actively working towards a solution? kccoallday And what is that solution? kccoallday Again, I agree the 2-party system is imperfect, but it’s what we’re basically stuck with for now. Given that…what rights are Democrats trying to take away? They are fighting for the rights of minorities, homosexuals, women. not Kidding I’ll go one better, vote only independents, always. Anyone tied to the established money/power system has incentive to maintain the system status quot. DB1954 I’ll vote for anyone who opposes Obama, and the Democratic Party’s far left agenda. That goes for anyone with or without party affiliation. Paul Wade What they say, and what they do, are two different things, Oline. And that’s both parties. grooooved There is no sane defense for any governmental ‘position’ these days – on anything. Look beyond the talking point distractions and the elite owned lamestream media and you’ll see our (s)elected officials as traitors creeping slowly closer with your shackles in their hands. kccoallday Again, you’re claiming that both parties are essentially the same, which isn’t true. Please research the percentage of donations given by the richest 0.1%. CJWarnke 70% of wall street donations go to democrats. The lowest educated in society vote 90% for democrats. Those paid by governmental institutions also vote almost 90% for democrats. Whats the commonality among all these groups? They are bought and paid for by democrats. They do not promote individuality. Ok, so what rights are Dems taking away? Obamacare is one HUGE violation of our civil rights. Obama’s signature achievement’s whole purpose is to limit choice and mandate behaviors. Or how about labeling all Military as potential domestic terrorists. Or how about racially motivated decisions, thereby favoring one racial subgroup over another I can go on and on about how Obama is clamping done on freedoms. Freedom of thought and opinion, behavior and choices are all being stamped on by our feds and the administration. Ryan Searfoss Ok. Then go on and on about it. On which SPECIFIC “freedoms” is Obama clamping “done?” Show your work. Gregory Reynolds So what racially motivated decisions are we talking about? You are aware that until 1968 most decisions made in this country were racially motivated with the exclusion of people of color in mind? All the social programs that you and others claim minorities are on getting freebies were in fact created for white males and purposely excluded women and people of color. It was only after the parties realized that the political vote of those excluded demographics were important that changes were made to include them. This was one of the primary reasons the Southern Dixiecrats changed parties from the Democrats to the Republicans. They felt that by included those the ability to continue to use cheap labor would be lost. DB1954 You’re preaching false history, Gregory. The Nixon campaign strategy which was called, “the Southern Strategy,” was a plan to derail George Wallace’s 3rd party campaign in the South. The plan was ingeniously simple: it was an appeal to conservative, white, southern voters who otherwise would have voted for George Wallace in 1968. Wallace ran again in 1972, and Nixon revived the Southern Strategy that year as well. Good thing he did, since Wallace was gravely wounded just before the 1972 election, and he got a lot of sympathy vote as as result. Nixon, like most national figures of both parties, believed that Wallace could be portrayed as too extreme on racial issues. 1968 was a crazy year. The assassinations of ML King and Bobby Kennedy as well as the 1967 riots in a number of major American cities had convinced most white voters in the north and the south that “law and order” must be restored and only a national figure, the Republican, Richard Nixon could do that. That was the essence of the “southern strategy.” Nixon promised to restore ORDER in America, and, in fact he did. By the way, Nixon is the President who created “affirmative action,” although he called it, “goals and timetables.” Nixon also kept the funding for inner cities which President Johnson had initiated in the so called “Great Society” programs. That was the ‘carrot’ half of Nixon’s plan. The ‘stick’ was his promise to return “law and order.” Shelly in PA I have. Between Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and Soros it is, by far, the left. Now charitable donations? The reverse. Shelly in PA I have. Between Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and Soros it is, by far, the left. Now charitable donations? The reverse. DB1954 Obama received more money from the mega rich than any candidate in US history in 2008. In large part that was due to the contributions of George Soros, although we’ll never know how much Soros gave to the Obama campaigns in 08 and 12 because he and his organizations are so Byzantine and complex, no auditor on earth could ever find a bottom line to his financial support of Obama over the past 5 years at least. kccoallday First, source? Second, even IF your claims were true, my statement was regarding the overall parties. The GOP receives far more in donations from the top 0.1% than the Democratic Party. Additionally, it is conservatives who helped push through the Citizens United decision, which declared that corporations are people and that money is speech, allowing more money than ever to flow into politics. Keely Shaper the NDAA of 2013 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4310/text HR 347 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr347/text Keely Shaper the NDAA of 2013 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4310/text HR 347 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr347/text Cgw-1991 No this is your defensive argument to someone of another party, because you don’t have enough intelligence to think for yourself. That is why a party thinks for you. kccoallday Nice ad hominem argument and non-reply reply. kccoallday Nice ad hominem argument and non-reply reply. rrgg Legalizing marijuana is not in the Democratic platform either. The White House is supporting private prisons with full force. For example, http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022568681 Shelly in PA Common Core is a bi-partisan issue. These are our kids we’re talking about regardless of party. DB1954 Common core shouldn’t be ANY kind of issue. It should be GONE. Dana As a liberal who was led over here by a liberal who also disapproves of Common Core (yes! we exist!), I have to say there are many in the Democratic Party who support marijuana laws. Have to be, or we couldn’t have had them for as long as we have. The Dems don’t *overall* tend to be as punitive as the Republicans are, but that’s not saying much, since America as a whole is more punitive than other nations at a similar economic stage of development. Also, I laugh at the notion that pretty much *anybody* supports the constitutional republic when the ones bleating loudest about it don’t bother reading the Constitution–they couldn’t, or they would have never argued about where Obama was born–and are happy to sell us out to the highest corporate bidder, since the right to conduct business at any cost and no matter which people you hurt is apparently one of those rights covered under the Tenth Amendment or some junk like that. I mean, it’s not like there’s any use *having* a constitutional republic when most of us are serfs. kccoallday Again, you’re simply forwarding the argument that both parties are essentially the same. They may both be very flawed as you point out, but clearly not the same. You’re basically saying “hey, there are Democrats who support these terrible ideas too, just not as many as Republicans”. DB1954 These issues aren’t directly relevant to that of education, so why are you harping on them? kccoallday Pardon me for replying to a comment that had a tangential argument to the topic at hand. Rich Culligan kc, you may want to check your facts, the orisins are filled because the Unions demand more prisons and the Unions OWN the democrats. kccoallday Yeah, keep dreaming. The prisons are filled because of the “war on drugs” and because conservatives, always claiming moral superiority, prefer putting people in prison than letting people have more personal freedoms. Come on, this is the party that wants to make sodomy illegal. The GOP also supports privitization of most industries, including the prison system. For-profit prisons do better when they have repeat “customers”. Jay This is funny coming from the party who wants to make large soda’s illegal, regulate our food portions in our school systems, and take guns out of the hands of citizens who need to protect themselves from the same animal that end up in prison. Yet, it’s acceptable to kill your child in the womb because you made a bad personal choice or it doesn’t fit your agenda. People don’t go to prison for buying a little weed on the street for themselves. People go to jail for dealing drugs, violent crimes, and white collar crimes. I would hate to see a world with only liberal moral checkpoints. kccoallday Make large sodas illegal? I assume you’re referring to NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg….who is a Republican. D’oh! Looks like you guys are on the wrong side again! Regulate food portions in schools? I’m not sure this is a wholly partisan topic, but you have to admit that obesity, especially childhood obesity in the US, is an epidemic. I fail to see how giving children better nutrition at school is a bad thing. Take guns out of the hands of citizens who need them? Who is doing that? I mean, I know we have laws like where convicted felons can’t get a firearm. So, are you saying convicted felons need firearms? I know that some in the Democratic Party wish to regulate certain TYPES of firearms, but not anywhere near a ban on all guns. Sounds to me like you’re just spreading more fear and hyperbole about gun control. As for abortion…why is every abortion “to rectify a bad personal choice”? You realize that there are good, caring, married couples who get abortions due to catastrophic fetal anomalies, right? You realize that it doesn’t really make sense for the government to decide if a woman’s abortion is legal or not, and to put women in jail if they choose one, right? Besides, once again, the GOP is against abortion, but then is also against all of the programs like SNAP and welfare that would actually help feed children if they aren’t aborted. Oh, and against contraception too, so that the need for an abortion could be avoided in the first place… People do go to jail for petty drug offenses…all the time. Are you kidding? Wake up. White collar crimes? Yeah, they might go to jail…for a couple years. It’s a farce. “Liberal moral checkpoints”? What does this mean? I can only assume that your morals are based on the Bible, a book that condones rape, slavery, and genocide? Paul Wade Sorry, the two parties are like twins, you really can’t tell one from the other except by name. Both parties aided and abetted an illegal candidate to usurp our president’s seat. kccoallday First, while I agree that neither party serves the best interest of “we the people”, claiming that they are equals is dishonest. If you want to say that the Democratic Party is the lesser of two evils, that’s fine, but the parties are not the same. Additionally, who the hell is this “illegal candidate” you refer to? Birther. shivabeach Neither. Keely Shaper Get educated, the democratic party is the longest running party in the US. That being said, we’ve always been a constitutional republic, and that will NEVER change. That doesn’t mean that it’s a republican idea, considering Thomas Jefferson, and others who drafted the Declaration of Independence, were the ones who establish our Republic were apart of the Democratic party. That being said, I’m neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Just b/c a party takes it’s name after our rule of law doesn’t make our rule of law wrong. not Kidding YES…it’s time for non-partisan politics. I Troll Libtards Which political party wants to ever increase the tax burden on the working class to keep paying for lazy people and illegal immigrants? kccoallday Neither. kccoallday Neither. Gabriel Hickey Like the lazy rich? Hmm… DomGoddessPhilly That would e the Republican Party which refuses to raise taxes on Higher income households and Corporations. The two biggest failures of our economy occurred under Republican administrations “Trickle Down Economics” which placed the tax burden on the Middle Class. Then there is “No Child Left Behind” which insured an entire generation of uneducated minions, to be grateful for an $8.00 an hour job, which just enough hours to keep them from getting benefits by their employer. Wal-Mart and McDonald have HR specialist to walk you through applying for welfare. Jay “No Child Left Behind” was a ridiculous initiative and needs to go away. However, what would you suggest teachers do for students who simply refuse to learn and educate themselves. Repeat a grade ten times? Do you think a teacher being overwhelmed with dealing 1-on-1 with difficult students will neglect the students who actively what to learn and participate. Malaprop wtf does that have to do with this kid? Sounds more like the ‘not invented here’ syndrome. kccoallday I was responding to Jonathan’s comment. If his comment was irrelevant to the topic, blame him. Malaprop Bush’s fault? kccoallday Clearly you have no interest in intelligent debate, only nonsensical partisan divisiveness. Austin Ha, “no… intelligent debate, only nonsensical partisan divisiveness”? Have you read your replies in this comment thread, pray tell what part of them are sensible, nonpartisan, or unifying? You don’t have the ability to combat the subject in this video so you have resorted to labels and finger pointing in hopes to feel some control in this matter. Your non-reply reply to the subject at hand “Failures found with Common Core” in reality leaves you in the same position that you came with, close minded to the concerns of the students, parents and teachers within this video. If this replay did not successfully shed light on where your error lies in having topical discussions then go preach your gospel on an open forum. And the rest of you, stop being so easily detoured when it comes to someone espousing labels! All it does is slow the process of making a plan of action until it is to late to do anything about the problem. It’s a form of procrastination you use to defeat your part in making a change. You have an entire world of knowledge right in front of you on a screen, learn how to make your change and GET TO IT! I have and I will. DB1954 You’re only adding to the confusion here. For one thing, you’re smearing a whole group of Americans by painting them with a broad and obviously biased political brush. Besides that, the issues of marijuana legalization and prison reform aren’t relevant to education, unless in this first instance you refer to the harm to young minds that can come from excessive marijuana use. kccoallday First, I’m not painting anything. The GOP supports these things. Sure, not every Republican does, but the party as a whole does. Therefore, I am well within my rights to state such. Secondly, I was responding to the claims regarding the schools being “turned into prisons” and the existence of for-profit prisons. Brandy Thomson That you look for a party to blame means that in your mind they have already won. Its a a bi-partisan screw job on our country and culture and as soon as you stop looking to the Dems or Repubs to save you from the other you will see only we can save ourselves as individuals with the highest freedom we can have, our minds. kccoallday I wasn’t looking for a party to blame. I was responding to this clearly partisan comment in a way that displayed the hypocrisy of the comment. Guy Brarian Darnitt! You’ve exposed the conspiricy. Who showed you the secret handshake? Get off the grid, the teacher mafia (aka Costra Knowstra) is going to hunt you down for exposing that when teachers go into school’s everyday, they secretly collude and come up with new ways to keep kids from thinking and reading. That way they keep collecting those big fat govenment checks and keep their fancy cribs in the most modest of neighborhoods, drive their status symbol Toyota Corollas, and show off thier designer clothes from JC Penny and Target. Be afraid, the next person in polyesther behind you at the grocery store, may be a educational hit man. If they have glasses hanging by a chain, drop your groceries and run!! SNord You clearly haven’t read the standards either, have you? L Blovat If I understand your comment, it sounds as though you are defending CC, SNORD. Read the standards front to back – back to front – 1,000 times! In theory it sounds oh so appealing!! Anyone would be a fool to turn it down. Practical hands on application; load of garbage & it is impossible to get the material taught in elementary school and has completely plummeted to the pits of not even having to think in middle school. That’s what happens Shen government gets TOO BIG. Roger Mukai you mean to say, NOT big enough, NOT well educated enough, and NOT well connected to ITS citizens enough. Roger Mukai Also if you notice this “Common Core” was developed privately and then only adopted by the education board. So MAYBE IF WE INVESTED IN EDUCATION we could have real scientist produce unbiased results and research, we wouldn’t have this issue. Bernardo Stevens Invest in education? We spend more per child than virtually any other country. MAteacher yes we do but as a teacher I can tell you that most of that funding isn’t really going towards actual education and goes more towards testing and bureaucratic paper work so that those above may keep their jobs while i’m still waiting on a new science lab that was promised to the school over a decade ago. It’s not so much we need more money as much as it needs to be spent wisely Bernardo Stevens In NY state, teachers get their earnings up around $100k within a dozen years now. And retire at 55 with a generous pension. As a taxpayer here, with family that work in the schools, I can tell you there is where the money goes. More specifically, it goes to special ed. Speech teachers at $90,000 have to pretend they can teach the unteachable to speak. Math teachers have to pretend they can teach math to the unteachable. I believe the teachers are sincere. But they’re wasting their time and we are paying for it. I’d say too much money also goes to pay for schooling trespassers. Illegals and the children of illegals. Shane Actually they don’t. In a dozen year of teaching in my district I will be making roughly 52,000. 52,000 for a career that I went to school for 7 years for. 52,000 for a career that I have to do tons of professional development for (extra schooling). Yes the pension is nice but don’t most public workers (cops, fireman, road workers, snow plow operators) get a pension as well? I really don’t think 52,000 is that much when you think about it. A pharmacist that went to school again for 7 years and has been working for roughly a dozen years is already in 6 figures, so why are you complaining that we make half of that? Bernardo Stevens You can’t be in NY state. Here’s a site where you can look up the salary of any public servant in NY state. Look up a low-rent district like Ellenville, Kingston or Poughkeepsie or Newburgh. PS – Of course I’m not complaining that a public school teacher after a dozen years earns $50+. But a hundred k? And a $60k pension at 55? The money to pay it doesn’t exist. DomGoddessPhilly Are those educators that are Making 100K Dr’s, I know Dr’s of Education who still don’t make 100K in PA and VT. And you can’t base anything on New York State, where the cost of living is higher than most other states in the US and most salaries are twice the US Average. I Worked in Manhattan and made twice my PA salary. Bernardo Stevens No not PhDs and not administrators. Public school teachers with master’s degrees. Teaching our kids kindergarten, social studies, English…regular stuff. Upstate marginally employed NY state is NOT New York City. Poughkeepsie, Ellenville, Albany, Newburgh, Kingston are not NY city. Shane Sorry never seen a teacher making 100k, administration yes but not teachers. Here is a real salary schedule from my district, and yes I am in NY state. Oh and I was wrong after 12 years its only 48k. And thats 12 years in one district alone. It is obviously the norm for people to spend 12+ years in the same job. Shane Sorry never seen a teacher making 100k, administration yes but not teachers. Oh and I was wrong after 12 years its only 48k. And thats 12 years in one district alone. It is obviously the norm for people to spend 12+ years in the same job. If you can help me post images I can show you the salary schedule. I tried before and it didn’t work. Also from my salary schedule the highest a teacher can make happens after 22 years in the same district and it is $82k, a lot yes but really how many people have spent 22 years in the same job. overitall Yeah, well I am a case manager who works with and “deal” with kids with autism and behavioral issues. I make 27,000 a year and get teachers the help they beg for…..your welcome… Bernardo Stevens You’re not in NY state. My wife works with a school psychologist in an inner-city school. Just turned forty. She’s not too busy much of the time. And do her efforts help anyone really? Cure anyone? Doubtful We pay her $90,000+ for this. By “the help they beg for” do you mean dosing them all? dedicated teacher Shane, can I ask what state you teach in? In Illinois you only have to have a Bachelor’s degree. I had eight years of college, but that is because I didn’t find my calling the first time around. Shane In NY you need to have a masters within 5 years of teaching or you loose your certificate. Bernardo Stevens You’re not in NY State are you? No one here is complaining if a teacher, after 12 years, earns $52,000. In fact, I’m not necessarily complaining if they earn $100k. What I would like is for them to stop complaining and for people to stop pretending that teachers take a vow of poverty. I would also like teachers and administrators to step up and hold the parents responsible. When the kids were allowed to stay up until 1 am and they fall asleep in class the next day, what can the teacher do? When the kids are taught that reading and education are “white” things, what can the teachers do? Instead, they enable them. High School Teacher I don’t teach in the state of New York, so I can’t speak for those teachers. However, I do know that most states do NOT pay teachers anything close to what you’re claiming. I make $34,000 a year. I haven’t been teaching that long, but I have family members who have, and they make roughly $60,000 dollars having every degree just shy of a doctorate and 24 years experience. Bernardo Stevens May I ask if you knew that teachers in NY and I think NJ do get paid that way? Or was this new information for you? Shane Sorry never seen a teacher making 100k, administration yes but not teachers. Oh and I was wrong after 12 years its only 48k. And thats 12 years in one district alone. It is obviously the norm for people to spend 12+ years in the same job. If you can help me post images I can show you the salary schedule. I tried before and it didn’t work. Also from my salary schedule the highest a teacher can make happens after 22 years in the same district and it is $82k, a lot yes but really how many people have spent 22 years in the same job. Shane Or I can email it to you if you would like as well. joe Prove it. Prove your statement about teachers’ salaries. I call bullshit. Bernardo Stevens No problem. Thanks for asking for politely. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/fashion/01generationb.html?_r=0 This article is 4+ years old. They make more now. Also in NY you can look up the salary of any public servant. http://seethroughny.net/ Alissa You are incorrect about ny teachers salaries. City school teachers tend to get paid more than in the suburbs…and here is the ny city teacher pay grid: http://schools.nyc.gov/nr/rdonlyres/eddb658c-be7f-4314-85c0-03f5a00b8a0b/0/salary.pdf Also, you are incredibly hostile in regard to special education teachers (who don’t actually get paid more on average) and their students (my students) as well as illegal immigrants (who are CHILDREN)! Way to be awesome, asshole. Bernardo Stevens Here’s a site where you can look up what any public servant in NY state earns. Their actual real-life earnings. By name. http://seethroughny.net/ Try some low-rent upstate towns like Ellenville, Newburgh or Poughkeepsie, Saugerties, Onteora. In a nearby inner city district they spend $20,000/yr per student. A family of illegals with only three children will than cost their neighbors $700,000+ over 12 years of school. That’s why my school taxes are so high. FYI: It’s easy to be generous with other people’s money, asswipe. learnthefacts Have you read the article that you linked? It clearly states that the woman had been teaching for 22 years before earning that salary and pension, not 12! She is picking up additional duties like summer school and mentoring, so that is not her base salary. Bernardo Stevens That was a while ago. The article is from 2009. And no one said she just hit it yesterday. They hit it sooner now as it’s no longer the top step increase. Anyway, so you’re saying that they struggle along at $90,000 for a while. I’m sure you’re right. Karen Tully “Even teachers in New York City, who have long lagged behind their peers in wealthy suburbs, have made significant progress, with a starting base pay now of $44,500 and climbing to $100,000 after 22 years, said Brian Gibbons, a spokesman for the city teachers’ union.” 22 years not 12. ThyNecromancer In what school district does a public NYS school teacher receive $100k+ after 12 years of service?! .. Not anywhere near where I teach that’s for sure… .. try LESS than HALF that… Bernardo Stevens What state are you in? And how many years do YOU think it takes to hit $100K in NY state? Less than half of what? My son started at over $50k in upstate NY. ThyNecromancer I live and teach in Central NY. Starting salary right out of college (no Masters) is often less than $40k. Master’s degree bumps you up to -slightly- over $40k, give or take depending on district. How many years to hit 100k? I have not seen or heard of a teacher anywhere near where I am making more than mid to high $80k’s at retirement.. and these are the teachers that teach for 25 to 30+ years. Bernardo Stevens If you say so. Around Syracuse? Is that it? Can you give us the names of a couple of nearby districts so we can look it up? ThyNecromancer Further South, Bernardo. I’m referencing the rural districts around Binghamton. Greene, Deposit, Windsor, Hancock, Susquehanna Valley, Harpursville, etc. Larger districts in our area DO make more than the rural districts (Union-Endicott, Johnson City, Binghamton, Vestal, Maine-Endwell…) HOWEVER… nearing 100k is not even conceivable unless you’re an administrator. Anni Kern makin’ 45,000 w/ 13 yrs. of experience. Marley No child is “unteachable”. You clearly are grossly uninformed about education, especially special ed. Keep your ignorant comments to yourself. Bernardo Stevens No child is “unteachable”? Oh. Please. Well, let me back up. Would you say it’s worthwhile for society to pay someone $75,000 a year to teach one child to tie her shoelaces? How about if it takes a couple of years? dedicated teacher I need to move to New York. I will be lucky to break $55K before I retire. Mary This is an interesting comment, “More specifically, it goes to special ed.” as if these teachers make more money than other teachers in the school districts? For the most part special education teachers don’t make more money. They do more and get paid the same. Many spend their “prep” period preparing for IEP meetings, testing, completing documentation that is required to prove to parents that we are helping their child succeed. We modify curriculum to meet the individual needs of each student within the classroom, and yet we don’t get paid for that extra time that is taken later. I’m not saying that general education teachers don’t spend extra time outside of the school day becuase we all know they do, but special educators do have plenty of extra responsibility, don’t get paid for it, and deal with more volitile situations. When do we get hazard pay??? We don’t and never will. Shame on you for saying that we pretend to teach the unteachable! All children can learn. And yes I mean ALL. Holding a pencil correctly is learning. Learning one more letter of the alphabet that they didn’t know 6 weeks ago is learning. Does it take more time, yes. But without us you would have many more illiterate. And many more who are unable to provide for themselves later in life. Bernardo Stevens I didn’t mean that spec ed teachers get paid more. I don’t know that. But they COST us more, as there are only a few students in each special ed class. In my area, we spend about $20,000 per year per student on average. But the spec ed students cost way more than average because of the tiny class sizes. So we’re spending maybe $50k per student so that you can teach them one letter every six weeks? C’mon. They’re going to spend their lives in a group home. Meanwhile, there are a lot less AP classes because there’s no money for that. Those are the kids that will return something to society. productjunkie are you freakin kidding me?? you are the biggest jerk I have ever read on the internet. insensitive. I hope you never have a child with autism because you would probably end up killing him. my son has asburgers, has a very high iq and will not be in any group home when he gets out of school-and I mean graduate school. he is an aspiring scientist. you make it sound like all special need children are idiots who don’t deserve an education. shame on you. I am thankful for the teachers my son has had. their hard work has made my son who he is- a lover of learning. in my opinion they all deserve to be paid more. productjunkie are you freakin kidding me?? you are the biggest jerk I have ever read on the internet. insensitive. I hope you never have a child with autism because you would probably end up killing him. my son has asburgers, has a very high iq and will not be in any group home when he gets out of school-and I mean graduate school. he is an aspiring scientist. you make it sound like all special need children are idiots who don’t deserve an education. shame on you. I am thankful for the teachers my son has had. their hard work has made my son who he is- a lover of learning. in my opinion they all deserve to be paid more. Bernardo Stevens If he has a high IQ and goes to grad school then I don’t buy that he belongs in special ed. I’m also skeptical that you have a child with “asburgers” as you can’t spell it, genius. Try Asperger . productjunkie are you saying that special needs children are unteachable?? how completely insensitive of you. Bernardo Stevens Is the important thing being sensitive, or is the important thing solving these problem? My wife is an RN at an inner-city school in under-employed upstate NY. A lot of “special ed” in her district. Some are retarded. Some may be autistic. Some have just learned to misbehave. Some have been coached by their parents to act in such a way that they’ll be classified as something that gets more services. Are you saying that none are unteachable? If it costs the district taxpayers $100,000 to temporarily teach one kid to tie her shoelaces, is that worth it? Anna Well Bernardo, those “illegals” and “children of illegals” are, whether you like it or not, going to be a part of our community and society- especially children who were born here. What would you prefer- educate them and give them a chance to be a contributing member, or not educate them, let them continue the cycle of poverty, become incarcerated, and have your tax payer dollars paying for them in that form? Next- how DARE you say that those kids are unteachable. I am a special education teacher and see my students making progress daily! They do not learn the same way as others and it is my job to figure out which interventions and methods work for them. Wasting time and money? I think not. ONCE AGAIN- Special Ed. kids are much more likely to become incarcerated and drop out of school. Special Ed. programs are designed to give them a tailored instructional program that gives them the highest chance of being successful. These kids are amazing and the gains they can make are incredible. I pray for you that that beautiful child you have in your picture never required Special ed. services, because after all, he would be “unteachable” and it wouldn’t be worth the time or money!!! You are one of the most ignorant people I’ve come across! Shelly in PA it goes to the unions, special interests, and makes it way to democrat platforms. THAT’S where it goes. Right to work will help with that. Hopefully my state votes FOR it next year. My money my choice. Not theirs. Shelly in PA it goes to the unions, special interests, and makes it way to democrat platforms. THAT’S where it goes. Right to work will help with that. Hopefully my state votes FOR it next year. My money my choice. Not theirs. Damiano You are correct! I am a DOD teacher and this year, I feel like a data queen. I can’t wait to teach and actually meet my students. The children miss me as I sit in the hall testing children one after another. It is only producing information on paper. The students want their teacher to be with them, to teach them and to guide them. Not sit in the hallway doing ridiculous testing as the aide and the parents run the class. I am done. I am thinking of another path after teaching 22 years. I am surely going to quit if these standards ever appear in DODS.!!! SB We might spend the most on education according to this article, http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/ but it’s not being used appropriately. Common Core is not helping because all it is doing is testing children and rating their teachers based on those tests. Well guess what when you teach to test the students don’t learn therefore the amount of money we spend on education is irrelevant if it’s not actually educating those that are there to be educated and all it is doing is testing them to see where they stand. On a side note: do you realize this country we live in spends 3-5 times as much on imprisoning an individual than we do educating them..Check out the chart in this article http://www.money.cnn.com/infographic/economy/education-vs-prison-costs/ that shows how much we spend per child compared to per prisoner. I believe we NEED to invest more in education to keep them out of prison because something is not working. Bernardo Stevens In [almost] all the countries where we’re told education is way way way better than here, they use high-stakes standardized testing. Here’s one difference. They don’t use it to test the teachers. It’s to decide whether the students go to college, trade school, or out the door. kl Well I would like to thank you as a parent and an obvious fool for thinking that my Asperger’s child is capable of learning! What a waste of time I have spent the last 15 years working with him and getting him help and working with Special Ed recently. I could have saved all that money, time and effort. Or I could have saved the time with children I took care of and watched the speech therapists “pretend” to teach. I guess all of their progress was a figment of our imagination. By the way, I’m an Advocate within my community for our Autism Society, the reason I say this is because I’m sure there are a number of children you point out that you believe are unteachable. I will say this, for those of them that are mute, they are still smarter. Many who have tech assistance can speak that way. Your opinion was broad in view but narrow minded in thought. How dare you! Maybe in New York they “pretend” to teach but I have seen results. I PAY for those results and have been a pit bull of a parent in the public school system not only for my child but for others as well. All educational outlets don’t use their funding in the proper places and where it counts. Our teachers make nothing close to the numbers you have come up with and still pay out of pocket for things in their classrooms and resources for the kids. Please think before you speak and at least have facts not opinions that some of our children are throw aways…that is what you are implicating at the very least by calling them unteachable. It takes special teachers to bring it out in them sometimes. On another note, if that is your child in the picture, I can only pray you don’t have to go through what I have and my son isn’t even profound. Bernardo Stevens My wife is an RN in an inner city school. More than once she’s “busted” a kid who is pretending he can’t speak. Why? Parents want him classified as disabled so they can get some more services. Not that the administration or the spec ed teachers care. I don’t know your state. In NY and I think NJ, they get to $100k after 15 years or so. They retire at 55 with lifelong pensions of $50 or $60k. It’s breaking us. Really, the property taxes are killing and it’s all for this. Yuriy Yarovoy We also fall behind countries that spend less in all STEM fields. Why is that? Bernardo Stevens My opinion? Why don’t we just copy what all the countries do? Here’s a start. Almost ALL of the countries that beat us use high-stakes standardized testing. But not to rate the teachers. To decide of a kid goes to college, trade school, or out the door. Problem is, in this country there would be racial implications. Number two, the system we use to teach reading has been rejected long ago by every other country except one. And that country has a big illiteracy problem. It’s a method that’s been proven not to work for decades. And we, and one other country, insist on using it. Shelly in PA you think it’s bad now? wait until this is fully implemented. Yuriy Yarovoy We also fall behind countries that spend less in all STEM fields. Why is that? kfred we spend more on prison than we do on children – it was pathetic that no one took an interest in my son after 8 years of standardized testing that was supposed to be three times in a student’s “career” – elementary, middle, and as a REQUIREMENT to graduate – that turned into a yearly event. convicts can get masters degrees and my son had to get a GED because school bored him, literally, to sleep. then the wonderful 7 day rule failed every grade for him. he couldn’t be bored at school because the assumption is drugs and he couldn’t be promoted because they sent him home for being bored. do you actually have any children in public school? or can you afford private school, thus eliminating the need for government funding and mandatory tests? Shelly in PA As a teacher, yes…I have. As a teacher, I agree with this kid. As a teacher, I don’t know how much longer ethically I’ll be able to do my job if something doesn’t stop this. Shelly in PA As a teacher, yes…I have. As a teacher, I agree with this kid. As a teacher, I don’t know how much longer ethically I’ll be able to do my job if something doesn’t stop this. ltf young people like him give me hope for the future…well said young man and lets all stand up and fight for what is right in every instance. Educate yourself and the people around you. Hooah Angel Inspiring! As a homeschool mom, I am glad my children are not subjected to Common Core. I briefly used a program that was aligned with it. The kids had the most difficulty with that program than any other they had used. It’s a poorly constructed educational model and the sooner the school districts take our children into consideration and see them as children and not dollar signs, all the better. Denise I have one kid home schooled, and 2 in public. We’re in Ohio. Let me tell you, the CC for math is utterly atrocious. My 4th grader is learning 4-5 different methods to do multiplication and 4-5 methods to do division, all within 1-2 weeks. The kids are then tested on all these different methods after having only spent a few days on each one with little practice. Some parents I know have said their kids are having panic attacks because of the ‘big tests’. Others get the steps in each method mixed up and confused and in so end up failing. Some kids understand one method, but not the other 3 or 4, and end up with an A on one paper, low grades on the other 3-4, and average out at a C. My 1st grader isn’t being taught 7+8= 15, he’s being taught ‘7+7+1=15′ and ‘subtract 2 from 7 to make 10, then ad the 5 remaining from the 7 to the 10 to get 15′. In every way, the math alone is adding 2-3 steps to work equations. My kids are getting confused and stressed out every night with their homework. While I’m considering pulling them from public to escape all the unnecessary confusion and madness, I’ve also heard that the CC collective has their next target aimed at the ACT and SAT tests, to recreate them according to CC standards. In this way, it would then force even home schoolers to learn this ridiculous stuff in order to get an acceptable grade on the big tests to get into college. Kathy Nardo-George We do have hope for the future of this country!! GO YOUNG MAN!!! Reddkl Common core teaches to the lowest common denominator. Sadly, teachers are no longer allowed to teach and people have the nerve to complain. You can’t have kids memorize facts and then ask them to think. I’m out of teaching now because it’s nothing more than flash-card curriculum with low results and promoting kids who don’t deserve it. No child left behind is a joke, as is common core. SNord What you say here reflect zero understanding of the common core standards. Good thing you’re out of the game. Bernardo Stevens You keep saying that. Did someone tell you it means something? Reddkl I respectfully submit that you are wrong. When a student can give you a date of historical importance and not know how to tie their own shoes, this country is in big trouble. Monkeys can memorize. Dogs can be trained to fetch a bone. A human who can’t think beyond their nose to solve a simple problem or make a decent decision is a failure. PSU72lec If you know so much about Common Core, then please tell all where we are wrong? Explain, in detail why it is good for America. Explain it point by point. Game on. Reddkl I’ll only give you one example. Problem: Money budget $50 per week. The students buy 10 gal of milk, 3 jars of PB and 4 jars of jam. They buy 5 lbs of rice. The point is this. They come up to the $50 per week and never bought one loaf of bread. They added the figures correctly. Now, PS – just how many meals are they going to get from their purchases? Do you now understand? Scary as far as I’m concerned. I Troll Libtards Wrong, SNord. Reddkl is 100% correct. CC will absolutely not work because it doesn’t address the main reason for failing schools: student/parent accountability. Bernardo Stevens That’s what my son the teacher says. And my wife the school nurse. Chuck Knicely I know when i was student teaching in the early 80’s it was much more open to teachers to delve deeper in to a given subject and you would have to .latitude to give a larger story around events. fast forward centralized schools bus kids hours and teachers teach to standardize tests. I say that because as a proctor and also a teacher starting my second round of teaching in 2003 my students including honor students in the classes didn’t have proper study skills like we had learn the generation before. I am 52 and I remember well the background information we got in school and frustrated with no child left behind I just quit teaching. it was a somewhat tough class i will admit but to have all the tradition students quit and complain i asked to much of them and yet all my non traditional student pass the course with no one getting below a B+ makes this argument true in my experience. I may not agree with the kid on anything else but he is saying what I have been saying for 30 years. Oline Wright yeah I can relate to that I was asked to remove my disabled son from high school as he was unable to physically be in school as much as they felt he should and he was costing the school money. Bernardo Stevens Huh? That ain’t legal in this country. Was this in the seventies? Oline Wright yeah I can relate to that I was asked to remove my disabled son from high school as he was unable to physically be in school as much as they felt he should and he was costing the school money. Rob Michael The problem with Common Core is that it it tries to quantify things that can’t be quantified such as critical thinking skills rather than pushing children to learn the basics to a competent understanding and build upon them. Instead we think by teaching children high level coursework at a lower level than ever before, they will succeed without knowing the basics. It also does nothing to address the current mess of a schedule forced on children. We teach them for nine months straight and then let their minds sit and do nothing for three. Ever study shows that the children lose at least a month being retaught what they have forgotten because of this gap. This is a massive waste of time and money. Summers need to be shortened and breaks need to be placed throughout the year. Not only will this allow students to retain more and learn faster but it will also allow their minds to come back refreshed more often due to more frequent breaks. ChromaKelly Yes! That’s the problem I’m having with it. It’s not that I’m tinfoil hat and think the gov’t is trying to control my kids or that it’s dumbing down (people who say that have NO experience with CC). Babs I love your summary and agree with you except on the summer issue. My kids go to a district that really does not venture children out on field trips to learn beyond the classroom. Not all children sit and do nothing over that summer break.-here it is just about 8 or 9 weeks. Parents can help with “summer slump” -which does not affect all kids-by using a public library, a zoo, a local landmark, here this big place is Fort Niagara or the Erie Canal ,to keep minds active. They can also TALK to their kids about current events, civics, citizenship, and so many other things that are now kept out of curriculum. Children do not need to sit at a desk to learn. And those dotted breaks through out a the year seem to be even more unproductive. Here we just send the kids back to school in January and then give them another week off in February. Pointless, senseless and the kids are given practice tests to do at home over the break. Keep them in school and TEACH them. We are all wanting the same for our kids-a good education. And in response to the government not approving it, I am ok with that. I would rather education professionals do that. Not consultants, not high paid professionals, but the people who are in the trenches actually teaching the curriculum. Part of the problem is the government involvement because they simply do know what a good curriculum should look like. Let the people who do this every day handle it.. Jefferson I am a 17 year-old from Michigan who has just written a book on America’s decline called Sic Semper Res Publica, and I can honestly say that this kid is a hero, and that most of the political spectrum is untied against more teacher testing, state standards, and national control. Put education back in the hand of localities where Thomas Jefferson put it with the Northwest Ordinance, stop the continuing education for teachers scam, and quit interfering with our curriculum! For those who don’t think that this is dumbing down, you obviously don’t have any experience with a school that is trying to change its purpose from creating enlightened minds to creating minds capable of passing the SAT or ACT. I am conservative, constitutionalist, and pro-education. Tennessee has long been my favorite state because of the Smoky Mountains, and this kid is just one more reason. Give ‘em heckfire Ethan! CE wow..so impressed with this young scholar. Too bad most school systems will continue with this Common Core crap! My kids hate this change and I do not see how it will have them any more ready for college or the real world!! Mark I’m so proud of this kid! 1) Because he presented himself like public speaking is his hobby, and 2) He represents Knoxville and Tennessee in the best possible light. I hope he runs for office one day on the same principle of freedom of mind and character that he spoke of here. Nicely done, sir!! Ruth This is hear say, but I heard that someone at Alcoa, TN say that one of the best high schools in the state will be dumbed down by using Common Core. What good does that do anyone? casey It makes the teachers/kids in bad schools look better. Jill Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! We need our voices to sing loudly as one across our nation giving this message to those making decisions about education who have no clue! http://www.amazon.com/Children-Left-Behind-Jill-Lemons/dp/0615839797/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377053623&sr=1-1&keywords=jill+lemons+doty A link to my message….an educational memoir with the same message as this brave young man!!! locomotize This “Kid” sums up the summing up of education in 5 minutes…It took 40 years of decent to get it where it is…well done son…Clearly he has the right parents…those who care, what a reflection on them as well. rhetorical If there’s one issue that people on the far left (like me) and the far right (I assume most of you) can agree upon, it’s that the Common Core “state” $tandard$ are a REALLY bad idea. Of that Race to the Top money, how much has gone to schools for school stuff, and how much has gone to testing companies like ETS to hire consultants and purchase tests, test prep and to Microsoft to purchase computers so that each student will have a convenient testing device readily available? We’re getting robbed and jobbed. Bernardo Stevens Lefty/libs are against testing. We on the right are against the injection of propaganda using Common Core. MAteacher i’d say most people wouldn’t be against testing if was used to a lower extent. There is at least a week and a half of testing each year for most of the grades in high school. It takes them out of the class for a long time which as a teacher I hate, I enjoy working with my students. By having the results being so tied to funding, there is rarely time to spend on some of the more interesting topics I know the kids enjoy and actually learn a lot about. I feel like i’m always playing catch up to make sure I cover everything. The tests themselves are not a bad thing if we didn’t make them such an incredibly high priority. Funding should not be limited if a school is doing poorly on tests. They should be used as a diagnostic tool for districts and the state if need be can come in and see if there are ways they can improve but cutting funding only spirals the school in a downwards motion. I work in one of the lower paying districts of MA. This year alone at least five very highly recommended, highly qualified teachers turned down positions at the high school alone because we simply can’t pay them enough. Once a school has no funding, getting the right people in there to fix it becomes almost impossible. I love teaching but it’s not a charity. I work hard for my money (and I’m not going to complain about my salary because I do NOT work all year like most) but since as a new teacher, i’m scraping to get by I can completely understand people turning down positions here for higher paying districts Bernardo Stevens Come to NY. Teachers here get to $100k in about fifteen years. On the subject of testing, the problem is, I think, that the tests are used to rate the teachers. That is wrong, wrong wrong. The test rates the student’s effort and ability. Youareuninformed Teachers in NYC get $100k after 22 years (not 15) and only if they have earned a doctorate degree or masters + 60 additional credits. Bernardo Stevens 1. OK. If it’s 22 years, the point is the same. Teachers in NY state do pretty well. 2. OK if they need a masters the point is the same. Teachers in NY state do pretty damn well. 3. OK, if they don’t hit $100k until 22 years that means they’re struggling along at $95,000 for a while first, right? The point is, the old story about starving teachers is false. At least in NY state and New Jersey. Karen Tully Teachers in NYC, not NYS do well by another state or city standards of living, but in NYC, the cost of living is substantially higher than almost anywhere else. So let’s take that teacher’s salary after 22 years of 100K, Now subtract the average rent for an apartment in NYC in any of the boroughs (except Staten Island) and you are paying $3,107 a month. After Federal, State AND City tax withholdings, the teacher is netting about $5800 a month, so his or her disposable income after 2600 – but lest we forget, the monthly costs of utilities (which are higher than just about anywhere in the country), car insurance, highest in the country, groceries, and the fact that all teachers in NYC cannot get the supplies they need to teach their students, so they have to buy out of their own pocket, classroom supplies, amounting to about $1000 a school year, not to mention the great educators who buy school supplies for children in their classes whose parents are unable to afford, even pens and pencils. Now for newer teachers, who don’t get 100k (which is only for those with a BS and MS and 30 extra credits of education) …How do they survive in NYC? Bernardo Stevens Only NYC and not the rest of NY state? Sorry. I haven’t explored the whole state. But within 150 miles of the city the pay scales are as I said. Westchester, Putnam, all of Long Island, Rockland, Ulster, Orange, Sullivan, Greene and the Capital District all pay on the high scale. MAteacher i’d say most people wouldn’t be against testing if was used to a lower extent. There is at least a week and a half of testing each year for most of the grades in high school. It takes them out of the class for a long time which as a teacher I hate, I enjoy working with my students. By having the results being so tied to funding, there is rarely time to spend on some of the more interesting topics I know the kids enjoy and actually learn a lot about. I feel like i’m always playing catch up to make sure I cover everything. The tests themselves are not a bad thing if we didn’t make them such an incredibly high priority. Funding should not be limited if a school is doing poorly on tests. They should be used as a diagnostic tool for districts and the state if need be can come in and see if there are ways they can improve but cutting funding only spirals the school in a downwards motion. I work in one of the lower paying districts of MA. This year alone at least five very highly recommended, highly qualified teachers turned down positions at the high school alone because we simply can’t pay them enough. Once a school has no funding, getting the right people in there to fix it becomes almost impossible. I love teaching but it’s not a charity. I work hard for my money (and I’m not going to complain about my salary because I do NOT work all year like most) but since as a new teacher, i’m scraping to get by I can completely understand people turning down positions here for higher paying districts dt and thats where the conservatives (and I am one) go off the reservation. Its so easy to dismiss that “propaganda” comment, that the rest of the criticism that is well thought out, like the speaker in the video, can also be dismissed. Lets stick to thought out fact, we’ll be taken much more seriously. Bernardo Stevens Why would you dismiss the idea of “propaganda” I can give you an example of the “propaganda” right now. In a grammar lesson for elementary school, the following sentences were used: -it is the President’s job to make everything fair -the people must obey the commands of government officials -the individual’s wants are less important than the nation’s well-being. These are communist themes and beliefs. Would you like the links? dt yes Bernardo Stevens http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/10/common-core-lessons-blasted-for-sneaking-politics-into-elementary-classrooms/ dt even though it was a fox link I followed it anyway…and read that the questions you quote have been in use in the cited worksheet since 2007. Your objection is with Pearson education publishing, not the common core. Bernardo Stevens If no one with a conscience noticed it for the first few years the point is still valid. Do you want your children indoctrinated with these beliefs? Hell, maybe you do. -it is the President’s job to make everything fair -the people must obey the commands of government officials -the individual’s wants are less important than the nation’s well-being. dt your point was that the common core was propaganda, my point was that that buzzword makes your criticism easily dismissed. The fact that your quoted questions have been used since the Bush administration makes the common core criticism invalid. Of course no one wants their kid swallowing that crap. But to blame the common core for it is simply unfounded. There are a lot of things to criticize the common core for, like the fact that it was put into place before any school was ready for it because all the schools did was chase the “race to the top $$$”. Schools are scrambling on the fly to initiate it, writing curriculum as they go. That’s no way to teach. But propaganda? No, its unfounded and makes the case against common core easily dismissed. As I said, if we stick to more thought out fact, we’ll be taken much more seriously. Bernardo Stevens You’re saying propaganda has to be original for you to object to it? Also, the other issue is that back then it wasn’t required nation wide by the Federal govt, was it? Bernardo Stevens You’re saying propaganda has to be original for you to object to it? Also, the other issue is that back then it wasn’t required nation wide by the Federal govt, was it? Janet Williams You’re saying the propaganda is only objectionable if it’s original? Oline Wright The problem lies in the connection of teacher pay and job security to the testing scores of the students. There are some people who have difficulty taking tests. My middle son for instance would score in the 75-80 percentile in the CAT or whatever the tests in Kansas were while my other two would score in the 90+ percentile. However the middle boy would frequently have higher grades. He had motor skills problems which made testing to time problematical at best. rhetorical I’m against narrowing curricula because that narrows minds. That the testing doesn’t measure anything is the reason I oppose it, but I’m mostly concerned with ascribing a cookie cutter approach to what an “educated” person will be able to do. Bernardo Stevens All but one of the countries that beat us in education us high stakes standardized testing to rate the students. learnthefacts FYI, China is one of those countries that is always ahead when it comes to high stakes testing. Education officials in China are now leaning towards a switch to a more American like model of education because they are realizing that while their students can memorize facts to answer questions, they cannot think critically. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/03/science/chinese-educators-look-to-american-classrooms.html BuckThurman This kid belongs in jail ! Kaz Nakamura Dafuq? I really hope this is a troll account Jenny JAIL!!! For what??? Oh I think I know. For thinking outside of the box that educators have put him. Jefferson What does he belong in jail for? Being too enlightened? If this kid should go to jail, I think that the clink might not be so bad. Maybe we could start an Ayn Rand reading club and design science experiments while the rest of the world collapses. No matter your political affiliation, you have to respect the fact that Ethan researched, spoke with courage, and stood up for what he felt was right. By the way, I do believe that he would be protected by a little thing called the First Amendment, and maybe he’s not the only kid between 16 and 20 that is fired up about liberty and founding principles. Efd70 *Some* good points, but he’s throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Should we accept a core built without meaningful consensus of academic content experts–no. Does that mean never do a common core? No, it means dont do a half-ass job making it. Are the teaching standards they’ve picked the right ones? Nope, many miss the point. Does that mean teaching is not quantifiable and there should be no standards? Far from it. Teaching techniques are taught to and learned by teachers. Subject matter expertise is required and measurable. Use of teaching techniques in a classroom is something that is mastered and that proficiency is measurable. No standards for teaching? Been there, had to suffer through classes with teachers who should never have been retained. Many others were excellent, but the few poor ones were never dealt with. Pick better standards and enforce them. http://ashleybrooke24.wordpress.com/ HGSE2014 I disagree. As someone who had phenomenal teachers who would be poorly rated under these evaluation metrics, I do not believe that quality teaching can, or should, be wholly quantified. The standards themselves are not the problem as they do not propose anything new, radical, or even all that challenging depending on the context of the school and background composition of the students. However, I have watched robotic, monotonous teachers score highly on these compulsory rubrics while engaging, innovative, thoughtful practitioners were asked to alter their methods to better fit the norm. Excellence cannot be quantified, and therefore, evaluators are afraid of it. Without data, how can we ever know if someone is good? The truth is, under these evaluation methods, we are training a nation full of mediocrity to continue in that mediocrity, and we will lose the few truly excellent teachers we have. Evaluating teachers on standardized test scores without taking into account the myriad other factors affecting them forces educators to conform to rote, basic skills lesson planning and delivery. When teachers are evaluated on checklists on top of test scores, they cannot push their students to engage in deeper discourse or grapple with challenging concepts for fear of looking like they do not have control of their classroom. When the appearance of success trumps actual success, we have not achieved anything. Acing standardized tests in classrooms where teachers learn to follow rubrics rather than engaging their students to think will only create individuals fit for an assembly line. This is not the road to progress in an increasingly diverse and ever changing global economy. Concerned You whoever you are EFD&) ,you are wrong. Learning is about learning how to think for yourself. How to take in information and question it and roll it around in your head until you understand the root. It’s not just spouting out stuff shoved in our head. It isn’t the Teachers who must be measured but the parents participation in their child’s education and behavior. That seems to be the real problem behind having an academic success. The teachers today have no way to control or correct a problem student that disrupts the class and the learning of the other students in that classroom, do they!. Government get out of the way and return the teaching system curriculum to those who know what to teach not the government. Particularly the current government decision makers. mitch27 Among the 7 liberals on the school board, 5 were treated for extreme eye-damage from rolling their eyes, and the other 2 are still asleep. beadstallcup Bravo! Good lad! EJ Fair teacher evaluation systems are built on students showing growth from where they started the year. Creative and innovative teachers who are using their abilities to teach content do move their students on these tests. If anything, common core gets teachers out of following a textbook and going section by section. Isn’t that what we want? Also, Common Core testing doesn’t begin until 2013-2014 in states using the PARCC assessment. Tough to judge a system that hasn’t even completed an entire cycle yet. Concerned No common core takes away creativity of any teacher. Its from a government who doesn’t know what they are doing forcing a controlled education. You don’t know what Common Core really means. EJ Creativity in the classroom should be about how you teach a concept, not which concepts to teach. I don’t want math teachers deciding what concepts are important and which aren’t. I want them bringing a standard to life and using interesting ways to motivate the students to learn about it and remember it long term. Common Core does not suffocate creativity in teaching. It suffocates creativity in which standards to teach, which I consider a good thing. Babs Actually it started here in New York last year. And yes, you can absolutely squash creativity when there is no room for it. EJ PARCC Timeline 2010-11 School Year: Launch and design phase 2011-12 School Year: Development begins 2012-13 School Year: Item research and tryouts, and related research and data collection 2013-14 School Year: Field testing and related research and data collection 2014-15 School Year: Full operational administration of PARCC assessments Summer 2015: Set achievement levels, including college- and career-ready performance levels EJ Fair teacher evaluation systems are built on students showing growth from where they started the year. Creative and innovative teachers who are using their abilities to teach content do move their students on these tests. If anything, common core gets teachers out of following a textbook and going section by section. Isn’t that what we want? Also, Common Core testing doesn’t begin until 2013-2014 in states using the PARCC assessment. Tough to judge a system that hasn’t even completed an entire cycle yet. Michelle Province “…manufacture robots”…? Yes, that’s exactly what the illuminati want, they are trying very hard for that… Monsanto, geoengineering, vaccines, programming… veteran222 01100001 01110111 01100101 01110011 01101111 01101101 01100101 kccoallday Uh…Monsanto and geoengineering are supported by conservatives…. As for vaccines…you’re beyond stupid if you don’t vaccinate. Kids are being stricken with diseases like measles and pertussis at raising rates because of asshats not vaccinating their kids. handgunnar Commie Core….dedicated to raising a generation of docile sheep and acquiescent serfs. kccoallday As opposed to religion, which isn’t indoctrination at all. Which of course is why kids are raised in church before they can even walk or talk and Jesus himself refers to his followers as sheep… handgunnar That must explain why the big government types are so afraid of Christians. They’ll blindly follow a fascist dictator just like the rest of Obama’s idol worshiping fools, right? Sam I have worked with a large number of young adults from many different geographic areas in a managerial role. You would be absolutely dumbfounded at the level of education some people receive. Probably half can’t spell. MOST cannot even perform the simplest math. Punctuation and grammar- forget it! Surely you see some of if on FB, even with auto-correct. There has to be some standard to hold teachers accountable to because a lot of them are producing young adults that will work at dead-end jobs their whole lives. If I were a teacher who actually taught my students, I would welcome the opportunity to be appraised using a quantifiable metric, rather than how I am perceived, the same way most of the rest of the world is appraised at work. Jamie teachers can only do so much. If a child is not motivated to learn, or they have a home life that makes it difficult for them to involve themselves in learning or does not encourage and REINFORCE concepts learned in school, they will not do well in school or in life. People need to stop blaming teachers. Responsible parenting and strong community and familial support is also needed for students to invest in their own education. Ted Oliver hopefully Ethan can and will see this! Thank you Ethan. You have opened up many eyes, especially my own. I am writing a paper for one of my college classes right now and I WILL be using this. My paper is about how education in America is topped by so many other cuntries and why. Nancy Well said! So happy that people are really waking up to what is going on! LisaM11463 Oh I love this young man!!! I completely lost hope that any of today’s kids had anything besides air between their ears. This young man is actually going to do something with his life to help humanity. He won’t be one of the “robots” out there who go to school, get married, have kids, work the 40 year plan and then retire. CallingOutNonsense Can you pick winning lottery numbers or predict the weather too? I’m so glad you have the gift of prophesy. mike claiborne Fantastic speaker who will undoubtedly far but his message is mostly wrong. I wish the anti-CCSS conservatives invest the time to learn what the CCSS are and how they are an improvement over current standards. Have any of the criticizers read the standards and understand that they *do* call for creative, analytical thinking? It just seems like a stirred up bunch of crazies arguing about something they can cite facts about but don’t really understand. Concerned Seriously? Jefferson Yes, seriously. Jefferson These standards encourage the practice of “critical thinking,” which is merely another way of saying, “leave out actual content to try to teach a thinking process.” Critical thinking cannot be taught; lots of content can be taught just like Mr. Young said. Along with that content, the connections to other material and improvements in the thinking process will come naturally. This whole craze in education about emphasizing how to “arrive at an answer” is a bunch of nonsense that will hurt kids in the long run. I’ll tell you how you arrive at an answer: you learn it from a teacher! The non-stop pre-testing, data collecting, and post-testing does nothing but decrease the amount of content taught, increase the number of bureaucrats that we need at the DOE to keep this nonsense up while they only provide 5% of what local schools actually need for supplies, and drive key scores down, perpetuating the cycle. These standards may be improvements over the draconian threats of NCLB, but having a limb amputated is better than dying of bubonic plague too! I am a 17 year-old student in the Michigan public schools that is conservative but highly pro-teacher and pro-public school. I’d really appreciate it if the feds would get out of the way with their “standards.” This kid has the right idea, not to mention that he used Benjamin Franklin quotes just like I would have. Keep fighting the good fight! mike claiborne It’s fantastic that you are so involved in an important issue at 17; I was clueless at that age. But again, it sounds like you are repeating what you’ve read on blogs and that you don’t really grasp what you are talking about. I would suggest you read the standards, including the very important introductory material. Note that the standards don’t say *how* something should be taught; they let districts determine that and *what content* to use in teaching it. They standards only describe the skills that students should achieve by a particular grade level. For example, at your age: “Cite strong and thorough textual evidence to support analysis of what the text says explicitly as well as inferences drawn from the text, including determining where the text leaves matters uncertain.” College students need to be able to do that in order to read & learn independently and professionals also need to be able to do that. In fact, citizens need to be able to do that do manage their lives and participate in a democracy. Do you not think that American citizens should be able to do that? Jefferson I do think Americans should be able to do that, but you obviously don’t know what you are talking about, with all due respect. I am not sure if you are a bureaucrat, an outsider, or an interested by-stander, but you aren’t living with the ramifications of this plan. It may be true that schools can choose how to prepare students for testing, but that does not mean that more schools will not “teach to the test” in desperation. That is what is happening with the ACT in Michigan now. Content; raw content, such as who was the general leading the Tet Offensive or which political party did Thomas Jefferson belong to, gets cut back big-time in the name of critical thinking and drawing inferences from the text. As for the rigor, it is increased testing rigor, more rigorous for teachers trying to support their family and not get fired because they didn’t do the mandatory amount of test prep, but it is most certainly not more rigorous as far as content goes. In a democracy, we need a grasp of history and the natural world to stay free, and decision-making and basic reading skills shouldn’t weigh everybody else down if some students didn’t get it by about the sixth grade. rwagg Exactly. As a teacher, I actually understand common core. It does MORE rigor, not less. fanciladi WOW………..one smart young man……… Armando Perez So 1 of 2 things is going to happen to this kid. 1 he will be arrested and tried as a terrorist. or 2 he will end up dead and the “evidence” will point to him “over dosing on drugs”. The government will not stand to be exposed as the frauds they are. kccoallday As much as you want to believe that we live in Soviet Russia, we simply do not… Ryan Smart kid, but he lost me at “the jobs will come naturally.” He’s too young to realize that that simply isn’t the case. guest People need to realize that “Common Core ” is a United Nations project intended to indoctrinate our youth the the one world order way to thought. Roger Mukai by far one of the most ridiculous, and generalized statements I have ever herd. If you’re doing to make a statement (aka Hypothesis), first think about what you’re trying to accomplish and then think about how you are going to support said hypothesis. I am in know way saying that you can’t think that, but if you’re going to throw a Hypothesis out here in support of what this gentleman said, you should think about what he just said. Furthermore to rebuttal your overreaching statement. I would like to make the case that it is not the United Nations it’s self, but it’s the privet interest of the oligarchic American-Political class, whom forms the laws in relation to the privet interest groups. Sadly it appears to have been ourselves over the last 50-60 years that has really crippled our society’s ability to think. Thats due to three things: 1) the natural tendency to not care, so we look the other way when something is happening, because it dose not directly effect us. (2) Is we don’t like to be responsible and don’t really want to have anymore responsibilities add to our all ready existing ones. This intern is evident by the fact that we don’t want to learn how the economy work, or how the plumbing works in a city or your house, so we call a plumber or an economist to fix the problem. and we will ALL WAYS find a way to blame something or someone els if it doesn’t workout. This is also know as or referred to as escapism. (3) Our nature to follow the crowed… This is generally occurs because we don’t stop and take a second to look past our neighbors wooly bum to see where we’re headed, and those who do, do get hurt because thats what happens when some stops in a crowed in a rush to get out of the door. Thus in conclusion, it would be evident that it doesn’t take a shepherd for the sheep to get loss, or as in concept a “Evil” group of people pulling the strings. It takes one person to say “Hey! if you follow me this way, There is some amazing grass to eat!!” and we follow and then some els says the same thing but the other direction and then we go that way… and then before we even know it “we” are all lost and pointing fingers at anyone who may have pointed in any direction. That being said, I would implore you to read your enemies doctrines, Maybe then you will find a way to defeat them. And remember if you want free will and freedom it comes with a price. “Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.” ~ James Madison kccoallday I see you buy your tin foil at Sam’s Club Brian Nothing that he said matters. All Common Core amounts to is a set of standards. A teacher takes those standards and does what he or she wants to with them. Just like it’s always been. He’s rambling on about typical teaching problems that have nothing to do with Common Core. Justin Fujka What a foolish statement! The standards are the problem! They force teachers to make sure that kids pass tests so they can keep their jobs! Standards used to be set by parents, but now, parents don’t want to participate in their students education, and THAT IS THE PROBLEM! I used to teach an extra curricular musical ensemble at a school. We had 25 students in the group, which at one point, placed as high as seventh in the world at the finals competition two years in a row. About five years later, we had 8 members end up academically ineligible to participate just a few weeks before the championships. I held a meeting with the parents to discuss our need to withdrawal it is not possible to re-work the show in that amount of time………… the parents of the failing students berated me for not making sure that their kids were doing their homework and passing classes. They would not accept responsibility. This, above all, is the problem. Oline Wright I had a son who was always bringing home work from school because he didn’t complete it in class. This was while he was in the third grade. I did my best to get him to do the work at home even making him sit in an area where he would have little to distract him until the work was done. his teacher that year kept giving him passing grades because she knew he knew the work he just wasn’t putting it on paper. Having done something similar myself in eighth grade English class because our teacher was having us do problems out of the book in class with little actual teaching being done I got bored with the work and didn’t do it I could understand what was happening. His teacher the next year managed to get him to do his class work by rewarding finished work with time in the library playing a computer game he like which worked well until the Librarian decided it didn’t challenge him enough or some such thing and would not allow him to play the game he wanted to play. http://ashleybrooke24.wordpress.com/ HGSE2014 His issue is actually more with the testing and evaluation systems in place than the standards themselves. As Tennessee just adopted the Common Core, he is attributing the testing and evaluation to that, although it all came as part of Race to the Top’s shiny carrot package. MAteacher Teachers really can’t do what they want with them. From experience, they are trying more and more to make our tests the same in every class that teaches the same thing. And they keep adding more and more to the standards that we have less and less time to focus on each. So I’m still getting through all of the standards by the end but they havent absorbed half of it. It kills me because I want my students to succeed but I just can’t get enough extra days to really cover things. I can’t tell you how many hours are wasted during “professional development days” working on aligning our classes to the common core. And by aligning I dont mean planning out lessons around the common core I mean filling out paperwork to show we are rather than being trusted to finish this myself. There are bad teachers yes. But there are bad workers in ANY field. S. E Haley, MD Preach on, Brother! They’re doing to US now! BWilliams I can not form words right now…AWESOMENESS… BRAVO!!! Ryan I agree with this young man. I am in my fourth year of teaching high school social studies. The only positive I see in Common Core is that is does encourage applied writing ability. Outside of that, it doesn’t address the NUMBER ONE issue facing schools in the United States: MOTIVATION……. Rhonda I agree, and it doesn’t address the problem of lack of parental support by over half of the student population. Also, teachers have no control over what a student has or does not have at home. There are too many parents out there who do not parent, and they do not monitor their children’s learning. ecr I’m happy the kid had the gumption to step up and voice his opinions but he has not been thorough in his thoughts and conclusions… 1)Fewer standards mean that teachers have more freedom to create their own classrooms. Fewer standards allows teachers to be creative without having to constantly racing to check off the next standard. 2) You can not be so close minded to think that having standards and expectations as a bad thing. Standards show that there is a plan in place and that students will be prepared for the next levels. Ellen i would vote for him for senator. Anonymous Agenda 21 Obama This kid wasn’t part of common core and look how well done that argument was presented Dan Smith you could tell which winches in the background were in the pocket, couldn’t you? Peggy Tiner I expect to hear many good things about this man in the future. I am on the teachers’ side. Being a good teacher is a hard job and does not pay anything near what it is worth. I do wish, though, that all teachers were required to be able to speak standard English. Most do, I’m sure, but in this part of the country many still speak sub-standard. Salvatore Tardio Impressive and well beyond what I’ve become accustomed to expect of young people today. It’s so refreshing to see and hear someone thinking these thoughts and expressing them so well. It give me hope that they will run this country so much better than those in power now. Tina Hite Radtke Common Core is “dumbing down” education ONLY because we have lazy teachers that refuse to embrace it and actually teach. Teachers and schools who are actually implementing Common Core correctly are seeing huge gains in students comprehension on many levels. CC is meant to specifically designed to teach students at a deeper level of understanding instead of cramming shallow facts into their heads just to get through the test. Common Core was not implemented in TN high schools until THIS YEAR. Congratulations, he’s experienced CC for a whole 4 months. That’s plenty of time to make a correct and complete analysis of a program. Common Core is not a curriculum. It allows teachers to finally TEACH, if they will, without so many guidelines and restrictions as before. With CC, teachers are more free to bring in outside resources (especially the arts) to help students understand concepts instead of just drilling them into textbooks. Several others have commented that CC is: to indoctrinate our youth the the one world order way to thought; teachers are no longer allowed to teach, Common core takes away creativity of any teacher… WAKE UP people!! Those things you are saying is exactly what CC is fighting against!! We’ve been teaching kids to make 7 meaningful connections, CC wants THIRTEEN! And finally an education system includes the Arts as a valid way of learning instead of shoving them all into the back hallway. CC recognizes that an answer to a problem can be reached many different ways and strives to teach kids to find the best way to get to that answer for them! TCAP testing is leaving, PARCC testing begins this year. How many CC bashers have read questions from the PARCC test? I’m willing to bet most have not, nor do they know what the CC standards actually are. “…this kid is going places, and it’s not because of Common Core.” You’re right Joshua Riddle, it’s not because of CC because he has only had 4 months of it. Perhaps if he were younger and had a chance to truly be educated through the CC system, he’d be able to think for himself instead of regurgitate opinions pulled from blogs and others sites, which have been written by people who have not been in a classroom in years. Learners do not learn the same way, Teachers do not teach the same way. We each have our strengths and weaknesses and CC is finally allowing students and teachers to use individual’s strengths instead of trying to force everyone into a single mold. veteran222 wow, have you ever been to a doctor? They used labs to diagnose and to preventively get ahead of a future illness. He is doing the same and is not waiting for a crisis of cancer to emerge. Tina Hite Radtke You’re right. Doctor’s use tested methods to evaluate potential problems and are then able to make educated decisions on the best course of action to to take. Has CC been tested? No. Our education system is dying in a “crisis of cancer” and you don’t want to give a new solution a chance? If you take Tylenol for your headache and it doesn’t get rid of your headache do you keep taking Tylenol or do you try something different? As for your cancer reference, I’m a female with a family history of cancer. Should I go have my perfectly healthy breasts removed because I MIGHT get breast cancer or should I wait, give them a chance, have them tested, and then make a decision? veteran222 have them checked. I do preventive care and it’s best to spot things early on, and yes, it is your decision what you do following the results of the test. Tina Hite Radtke My point was – I’m not going to go have them removed because they may potentially harm me without having them tested and weighing my options. Just as I don’t think people should shove CC off the cliff before it has a chance to be tested. – and thank you for being sweet about the preventative care. veteran222 cool MAteacher Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. CC is the most hypocritical crap ever. In your last paragraph you say two true things. Learners don’t learn the same and that teachers don’t teach the same. This is true and something that any good teacher would work on regardless of CC or not. CC itself RUINS individuality and people’s possible strengths and weaknesses by funneling all the different types of learning and teaching into a standardized test. So in the end none of it matters. Tina Hite Radtke Our current education system is what funnels all types into a standardized test…. the PARCC is totally different. The answers are no longer a simple A, B, C, or D choice. Part of my job is to go into schools to teach teachers how to teach the Common Core THROUGH the Arts. If you have direct examples from CC on how it ruins individuality, I would love for you to share them. I have read the entire thing multiple times and have seen the PARCC test and what you are claiming is far from true. In fact, it’s so far from true that it is the total opposite. Babs Are you certified to teach? Have you spent any time in a classroom teaching? ( not as a volunteer) If the answer to either one of those questions is yes, you may weigh in. Tina Hite Radtke M. Ed. in 2007. I’ve taught in Elementary, Middle and High School classrooms. Babs I’m very surprised by some your response-that is why I asked. I just cannot put all my eggs in Common Core. I have no problem with A common core-just not this how this one is being implemented. I also do believe in standardized tests-but not to the extent they are used here in NY state. NY state has a solid education system. CC is tearing it apart. You make some valid points and some changes do need to be made-I am just not sure this is the way to go about it. Too much is being pushed aside-especially in my district and quite honestly, I am not thrilled that my kids are being used in testing out this program. They will succeed, but I will not credit their success to CC Snord Nothing substantial was said that reflects he really understands the content of the common core standards. Read them yourself. He just has vulgar political motivations. Roger Mukai To any conspiracy theorist, or anyone who is planning on pointing fingers this is what I say to you. ” by far one of the most ridiculous, and generalized statements I have ever herd. If you’re doing to make a statement (aka Hypothesis), first think about what you’re trying to accomplish and then think about how you are going to support said hypothesis. I am in know way saying that you can’t think that, but if you’re going to throw a Hypothesis out here in support of what this gentleman said, you should think about what he just said. Furthermore to rebuttal your overreaching statement. I would like to make the case that it is not the United Nations it’s self, but it’s the privet interest of the oligarchic American-Political class, whom forms the laws in relation to the privet interest groups. Sadly it appears to have been ourselves over the last 50-60 years that has really crippled our society’s ability to think. Thats due to three things: 1) the natural tendency to not care, so we look the other way when something is happening, because it dose not directly effect us. (2) Is we don’t like to be responsible and don’t really want to have anymore responsibilities add to our all ready existing ones. This intern is evident by the fact that we don’t want to learn how the economy work, or how the plumbing works in a city or your house, so we call a plumber or an economist to fix the problem. and we will ALL WAYS find a way to blame something or someone els if it doesn’t workout. This is also know as or referred to as escapism. (3) Our nature to follow the crowed… This is generally occurs because we don’t stop and take a second to look past our neighbors wooly bum to see where we’re headed, and those who do, do get hurt because thats what happens when some stops in a crowed in a rush to get out of the door. Thus in conclusion, it would be evident that it doesn’t take a shepherd for the sheep to get loss, or as in concept a “Evil” group of people pulling the strings. It takes one person to say “Hey! if you follow me this way, There is some amazing grass to eat!!” and we follow and then some els says the same thing but the other direction and then we go that way… and then before we even know it “we” are all lost and pointing fingers at anyone who may have pointed in any direction. That being said, I would implore you to read your enemies doctrines, Maybe then you will find a way to defeat them. And remember if you want free will and freedom it comes with a price. “Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.” ~ James Madison” RCB I have ever heard, not herd. Roger Mukai Good catch! thats the worst thing about writing in the internet, it’s all ways the first draft! JHMorgan0951 Brains and Guts. This young man and many more like him need to be the future of America! Armand Let’s impeach Obama and put this kid in there! kccoallday After this comment, I don’t want to hear the phrase “community organizer” ever again… afioaebfssoanwf He’s learned nothing quantifiable? Really? CindyF In Maryland he would have been forcefully removed from the room the minute he opened his mouth! jimnjcil Obamacare for education-ignore research and professional educators and what works and put education in the hands of incompetent government hacks. Ethan Young for Commissioner of Education. SkippyFlipjack Obamacare is going to result in a lot more kids having proper healthcare. You might know that if you cared more about kids than political whining. ajmingram The inordinate amount of testing is the reason why I dislike CC. My daughter was accepted last year into the gifted program at school and I am so thankful for that. If it was for those few hours a week we would not have the opportunity to think creatively, problem solve or dive deeper into subjects. We love her regular class teacher – she tries as best she can to reach the students while still following orders. But there is little room for true learning in a classroom today. JFun The common Core is not testing. Testing students is a requirement of the No Child Left Behind Act, the reauthorization by GW Bush of the Elementary and Secondary Schools Act, in 2001… a full 9 years prior to the Common Core. http://ashleybrooke24.wordpress.com/ HGSE2014 And Common Core was implemented in Tennessee as part of Race to the Top, which incorporates testing mandates on the CCSS and teacher evaluations tied to the results of the tests. It is all one big happy package. JFun The common Core is not testing. Testing students is a requirement of the No Child Left Behind Act, the reauthorization by GW Bush of the Elementary and Secondary Schools Act, in 2001… a full 9 years prior to the Common Core. Teri Owen Blame blame blame… Each state independently made the decision to adopt the Common Core State Standards, beginning in 2010. The federal government was NOT involved in the development of the standards. Local teachers, principals, and superintendents lead the implementation of the Common Core. BejeweledOne Superb Message! Now if only the authors of the presented article would learn what Decimate means. He more than decimated common core. If you don’t know, Decimate means to reduce by 1/10. Joslyn Rohrscheib It can also mean: to destroy a great number or proportion of (this connotation came about in the 19th century, so not exactly new) exact fractions and percentages are rarely used now. Adam Mitchell The kid doesn’t understand shit, he’s just a kid. He doesn’t understand enough about the process to change anything. Sadly, it takes money to hire teachers who are knowledgeable enough to inspire creativity. Kuddos to the kid for thinking independently and standing up with vigor, but politicians do the same every day. If you have no clue how to fix the problem, don’t convince yourself into believing your the only one that see’s the problem. But again, he’s just a kid so kuddos. Kaydie Wall Smart, thoughtful kid opposed to Common Core and “bureaucratic convenience.” This kid’s a liberal. Kaydie Wall Smart, thoughtful kid opposed to Common Core and “bureaucratic convenience.” This kid’s a liberal. Peter John Aquino OUTSTANDING!! Tenrocks It’s too bad this page has inappropriate advertisements on it. I’m sure it’s not of this webpage’s owner beliefs and are not put them by them (him). eric I think if we paid all teachers 1million dollars a year they would instantly become the best teachers in the world Joseph Brown ‘If everything I have learned is measurable, then I have learned nothing’ Utter fail. Your competence at Reading, Writing, & Arithmetic certainly can be measured — and these subjects are not worthless. The US does indeed teach to free minds, to inspire, to inculcate a love and respect for learning — but we also teach to guarantee a certain minimum competence. Literacy, numeracy, and rationality are key, core, indispensable — without them all of the inspiration, creativity, and any other fluffy concepts you might care to pile on are worthless, impotent, incapable of being communicated, and useless as a basis for invention. Saying that a teachers ability to teach can never be measured? How very post-modern of you — and more utter fail. Do measurements of a teachers performance need to include the aptitude of the students? Sure. Is such a measurement likely to be imperfect and imprecise? Sure; but any measurement is better than no measurement at all, because once you have the initial measurements you can find ways to get better measurements. Simply giving up with the claim that no measurement is ever possible is a nihilistic abdication of responsibility of the highest order. Is CCSS the end-all-be-all solution? No; we also need a lot more teachers-per-student & less teachers-union, more schools and less school-administrators, but — we also need to have a way to reward high-performing teachers, identify lower-performing teachers (so they can receive additional encouragement & training), and remove the very worst teachers. The United States spends quite a lot of money per student, and gets shamefully bad results for that money. To improve we need to know where we currently stand; that means measuring performance. If you have ideas and suggestions on how to do that, then please contribute — but if your claim is that all measurements are worthless, then you are not part of the solution. Joseph Brown ‘If everything I have learned is measurable, then I have learned nothing’ Utter fail. Your competence at Reading, Writing, & Arithmetic certainly can be measured — and these subjects are not worthless. The US does indeed teach to free minds, to inspire, to inculcate a love and respect for learning — but we also teach to guarantee a certain minimum competence. Literacy, numeracy, and rationality are key, core, indispensable — without them all of the inspiration, creativity, and any other fluffy concepts you might care to pile on are worthless, impotent, incapable of being communicated, and useless as a basis for invention. Saying that a teachers ability to teach can never be measured? How very post-modern of you — and more utter fail. Do measurements of a teachers performance need to include the aptitude of the students? Sure. Is such a measurement likely to be imperfect and imprecise? Sure; but any measurement is better than no measurement at all, because once you have the initial measurements you can find ways to get better measurements. Simply giving up with the claim that no measurement is ever possible is a nihilistic abdication of responsibility of the highest order. Is CCSS the end-all-be-all solution? No; we also need a lot more teachers-per-student & less teachers-union, more schools and less school-administrators, but — we also need to have a way to reward high-performing teachers, identify lower-performing teachers (so they can receive additional encouragement & training), and remove the very worst teachers. The United States spends quite a lot of money per student, and gets shamefully bad results for that money. To improve we need to know where we currently stand; that means measuring performance. If you have ideas and suggestions on how to do that, then please contribute — but if your claim is that all measurements are worthless, then you are not part of the solution. SDLR WOW, WOW, and WOW! Ethan is an articulate young man with a great future ahead of him. He has internalized what every educator whose test scores are tied to teacher competancy has been saying. Commisiner Gist (RI), pay attention to what has been said. You have it all wrong, and your desire to make your mark so you can move up the chain of command is going to be your undoing. Someone still needs to explain to me why special needs students are tested at their GRADE level and not at their INSTRUCTIONAL level, which are completely SDLRdifferent from one another. Explain that to me and I will drop the subject. Special needs students traditionally have not been exposed to to grade level curriculum because they are not ready for it, and that is one reason why some school test scores are low…not fair to children, not fair to teachers. Richard for Jesus He can think for himself. This is the type of person the government hates. Ann Bravo! As a teacher, I agree with you completely. Common Core and any other state-organized “measurable objective” is crap. Our job is to open minds and lead students to find themselves, their interests and their opinions on their own, not to teach them to bubble the correct answer and parrot back the theories and ideas of others. mikestill As long as there are states that put Creationism in textbooks, yeah, we will fight for standards. “Haven’t we gone too far with data?” Nope. Archangel This should have nothing to do with politicians! They are a bunch of fools doing a comedy act, at our expense, every day. Are you laughing? I’m not. We should leave the education of our children to educators, not self proclaimed experts who can’t find their own asses with both hands and a roadmap. Just my humble opinion. sandtrap99 would have been much more impressive if he spoke a little slowly Stuart The biggest problem with Common Core and all other great governmental education ideas is they think the way the government does – one size fits all. News flash, not only are all kids NOT going to college, not all kids CAN. There’s no shame in that. Not everyone is academically inclined. We NEED mechanics, electricians, carpenters, but thanks to this “You must go to college” mentality, these very valuable and necessary trades are looked down upon. If we want to teach children effectively we need to keep in mind that all children, like us adults, are all different, with different interests and CAPABILITIES. I don’t care what some pompous politician says, I can’t be a rocket scientist, I’m simply not smart enough, I never was. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I also can’t fix my car on my own, hence the need for a mechanic. In an effort to include every one, we’ve left out a good number of students, having them hang on the ends making “adequate progress” instead of listening to them and directing them towards something else they could be great at and, God forbid, actually enjoy! I have read the Common Core Standards, and they’re crap. It’s not a matter of implementing them. I’m a teacher in a CCSS state, and I ignore the standards. I ignore them because my job is not to make sure that my students have made “adequate yearly progress” or that they can find the right answer in a mesh of nonsense, or that they are undergoing “rigorous learning” (what the hell does that mean, anyway?). I ignore them because my job is to TEACH. Until the government stops threatening to punish teachers and starts listening to those of us down in the trenches, none of their grand ideas are gonna be worth a damn. And they’re going to keep chasing away more and more qualified teachers who have simply had enough of this garbage, leaving us with sub-par and minimally experienced teachers, until they too realize they can make more money and endure less stress in the private sector. Elizabeth For someone who is going to school for Elementary Education and has been taught nothing but Common Core for Math and English Language Arts, I believe it is a good thing. The only couple of problems that I see with it is the teachers having to change their lesson plans and children having to pick up a little extra slack because of where the previous benchmarks left off before. I’m not sure about other states, but the benchmarks in Mississippi are missing some of the things that Common Core now requires students to know. If you listened to this kid, then you would realize he is saying that all standards are bad. What do you think that the states had before Common Core? Benchmarks. These are standards too. Common Core just gives the teacher more freedom to teach students the certain topics that they need to know. Until you have a degree for education and have to teach using Common Core, there isn’t much you can say that would make me think that you have any idea what you’re talking about. Any educator that I have talked to have loved Common Core. Parents are the ones making such a fuss over it. Jon Mortensen I love what I do, but I’m so thankful that I’ll be retired by the time data driven teacher evaluations become a reality. Every time I think that the pendulum can swing to the right no further, it does. Jonathan Matthew Dill You wrong about one one thing, the system that fails education you speak of also fails every other system you mentioned, from nuclear reactors by Nixon, to the industry we so love. What’s sad is I have to teach my daughter that this a industry based world and you will not make it if you don’t learn to offer the industry something, Stuart “industry based” is a great way to put it. One of the problems with CCSS is that in order to ensure all students can reach the benchmark is we make allowances (IEPs) for kids who can’t live up to the same expectations as others to ensure that they can pass on to the next grade and, theoretically, get into college. Academically, not a bad idea,but realistically a disaster. What we achieve by doing this is teaching those students that have mild learning disabilities that they don’t have to do what everyone else does, that they’re “special” and the world will accommodate them. Problem being that this “industry based” world couldn’t give a damn what your learning disabilities are, either you can do to the job or you can’t. If you can’t, there’s the door. Teacher this isn’t a conservative objection….it’s an educated objection. these same arguments (made by liberals) have been made for years….it’s about education. Full stop. though I do find it heartening that this is now showing up in conservative spaces too….this is beyond partisonship (FYI, this number based system is drawn from business thinking of the late 80s and early 90s). codyac This is less of a criticism of Common Core and more of a criticism of how we are trying to implant 20th century education in 21st century life. A minimum standard isn’t the issue, its how we want to quantify it. Public schools have immense pressure to prove themselves in order to justify public spending. Yes new ways of teaching should be developed to catch those who don’t want to learn or have trouble learning but in no way should we take corporations interests over “the freeing of minds.” Jobs are important but that shouldn’t he the only goal. One of the main reasons my generation can’t find work is because they get worthless LAS degrees or an over saturated business degree. They are ridiculed of this because they do what they desire but can’t obtain a job. Called freeloaders and entitled. This seema to strengthen the calls for verifiable teaching rather than acknowledging the real fact. The 21st century is much different than 20 years ago. Knowledge is power and no one should be ridicules for obtaining knowledge but not being able to show anything for it. Both the left, right and corps are at fault. codyac This is less of a criticism of Common Core and more of a criticism of how we are trying to implant 20th century education in 21st century life. A minimum standard isn’t the issue, its how we want to quantify it. Public schools have immense pressure to prove themselves in order to justify public spending. Yes new ways of teaching should be developed to catch those who don’t want to learn or have trouble learning but in no way should we take corporations interests over “the freeing of minds.” Jobs are important but that shouldn’t he the only goal. One of the main reasons my generation can’t find work is because they get worthless LAS degrees or an over saturated business degree. They are ridiculed of this because they do what they desire but can’t obtain a job. Called freeloaders and entitled. This seema to strengthen the calls for verifiable teaching rather than acknowledging the real fact. The 21st century is much different than 20 years ago. Knowledge is power and no one should be ridicules for obtaining knowledge but not being able to show anything for it. Both the left, right and corps are at fault. codyac Also, liberals don’t like this obsession with testing either. So if we are is such stark agreement, why do we continually have this revolving door? ….My answer is money in politics. Companies like Pearson have a monopoly on Ed. Get money out of politics and real solutions and trial and error can ocurr. codyac Also, liberals don’t like this obsession with testing either. So if we are is such stark agreement, why do we continually have this revolving door? ….My answer is money in politics. Companies like Pearson have a monopoly on Ed. Get money out of politics and real solutions and trial and error can ocurr. overitall Not bashing teachers, but just because you are a teachers doesn’t mean you deserve 60,70 or 80k. Yes, you are needed, but lets face it, our kids aren’t getting educated well at all. NOT ALL TEACHERS are guilty of this, but enough are, as are many people in other professions (before all you teachers freak out about this post) Vincent While it may be true that creativity can’t be taught, it’s also true that an artist can’t paint without a paintbrush. I can tell you first hand that creativity is absolutely required when trying to develop original work in higher level physics and engineering. Unfortunately, analogous to the artists tool, a rigorous understanding of mathematics is necessary to first understand a problem let alone solve it. The only way to learn math is through practice, practice that opens so many doors. Common Core aims above all to establish higher standards and bring us up to international speed. Sure teachers shouldn’t be rated in the manner Common Core dictates, but why all the fuss? The teaching job has fundamentally changed if we consider these new standards as permanent, so isn’t this an opportunity to stand out? I really do understand a students performance may be a direct reflection of their home-life. Many have parents that wish they were never born and probably let them know that in between doing drugs and not feeding them. These kids need people that care about them and teachers need to be creative in finding ways to let them know they do care, helping them in as structured a way as possible. Ask yourself, where would you be today if no one cared about you? If not a single person were there to help you with anything? I’m hopeful that Common Core will accentuate the difficulty of teaching and that less people become teachers because of that revealed emphasis. Right now it’s way to easy to become a teacher and be responsible for growing the minds of children. With a deficit of teachers, demand (salary) for the job will have to increase. Only then it will become more difficult to become a teacher and unfortunately only then will we have a nationally functioning educational system competitive with the rest of the world on all fronts. PiC Common Core removes creativity in destructive ways. It teaches revisionist history, and eliminates much American history. It teaches math concepts in ways that children struggle to understand, and prohibits time tested ones. There is very little that is good about Common Core. If there were anything good about it, they would not have had to sneak it in the back way without the input of actual educators.. Nicole Schulman I totally agree with everything this young man has said- but isn’t all this at odds with the for-profit students-as-robots conservative agenda? It’s conservatives who are pushing the high stakes testing and corporate charter schools who place the needs of shareholders before student’s needs and respect for the brutally hard work teachers have. https://www.facebook.com/notes/todd-higgins/comment/600798166644511 todd THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WAY THINGS ARE. Unsafe streets , extreme poverty , mass shootings , bombings , children molested , schools drained , but hey …..congress is rich , gays are prioritized ,and corporations are protected and find ways around paying taxes. Good job America lots to be proud of. currently we have blind leaders supported by a nation of masterdebaters. The government is acting like a sixteen year old kid that thinks it knows everything. “If there isn’t justice for the people let there be no peace for the government.” Doing the same thing over and over is insane. Fix America First. Prioritize. Recycle America ,turn things around. The Government should fear the people, opposite of how it is now. the government should protect people and regulate corporations not protect corporations and regulate people. We need to Build a good foundation then rebuild. Reinstate common sense. Create Accountability and most of all treat our cancers greed , ignorance and self-entitlement. Our society runs the way it does because it is designed that way for the rich by the rich. There are many common sense simple ways to change things to make a better world to live in. Until we can prioritize correctly , have accountability , and worry about the American instead of the American dollar things will remain perverted. Anyone can find fault — it’s not a sign of anything other than moderate brain activity. It’s much harder to offer creative criticism that actually improves the situation for everyone involved. UNITED we stand divided we fall…there is only one race the HUMAN RACE all the divisions of political parties and skin color have demoralized this country into a sewage plant of lying stealing ignorant greedy self-entitled hypocritical idiots the government has had too much money power and time with too little results actions speak louder than words. Being successful doesn’t necessarily make you great. What makes you great is when you reach back and help somebody else become great. unfortunately no one cares. no one with power anyway. enlightenment finally after watching Swipe yo EBT (It’s Free) on you tube everything fell into place. now that the middle class has been eradicated the united states are truly united once again now we are left with the rich and the poor that equally agree on greed ignorance and self-entitlement. both parties the rich and the poor demand something for nothing are good for nothing have no morals and only care about themselves. actions speak louder than words. If Being smart enough to do the job replaced being rich enough or politically correct enough then we would have a chance. playing the blame game masterdebating and spending other peoples money is all our government is capable of ( actions speak louder than words ) . NOTE TO THE MASTERDEBATERS: morals priorities accountability and education was my point but people only hear what they want to hear. Both sides are half correct and half @ fault if each side would stop using their correct points as a shield to cover and hide the problems they have then everyone will continue to live in an unsafe world. prioritize what’s important , Hold people and corporations and politicians accountable for their actions and invest more into our education system than into our prisons politicians and every other entity that has taken away from our children and our schools. I understand the Rich cant see that there are issues because they are protected from most of what’s unfair and are filled with lies and lawyers and politicians that ease their uneducated minds and the poor people are phukd because they are poor and no one cares or listens. can’t run for president without being rich…not all rich are bad not all poor are bad but for the most part……generally speaking……..the rich can afford to do something but don’t and sometimes the guilty ones are the ones that stand by and do nothing. what part of lack of accountability lack of priorities greed ignorance and self-entitlement makes you think im bashing the rich? follow closely phuctards. lack of accountability lack of priorities greed ignorance and self-entitlement are the problems I have issues with. the government closed down and the world ended right. the world cannot get by without people like Bernie Madoff and his $65.0-billion scheme. so we depend on scams and scandals to survive right. 1. Savings-and-loan fiasco Although it was nearly three decades ago, the savings-and-loan scandal that swept five U.S. senators into an ethics probe and sent Charles H Keating Jr. to prison is still a vivid memory for many longtime Arizonans. It cost taxpayers billions of dollars and left tens of thousands of people holding worthless bonds. Some lost their life savings. Keating, a prominent Phoenix developer, bought Lincoln Savings of Irvine, Calif., in 1984. He built the Phoenician resort and started Dobson Ranch in Mesa and Estrella Mountain Ranch in Goodyear. In 1989, federal regulators seized control of the savings-and-loan company and Keating’s other holdings, alleging that he looted the federally backed Lincoln Savings and Loan at taxpayer expense, sunk money into risky ventures and cheated the company’s investors. Keating went to prison for fraud, eventually pleading guilty to three counts of wire fraud and a one count of bankruptcy fraud. Sen. John McCain, Sen. Dennis DeConcini and three senators from other states were accused of improperly intervening with federal regulators on behalf of Keating. They were nicknamed the Keating Five. The Senate Ethics Committee determined that DeConcini, Sen. Alan Cranston, D-Calif., and Sen. Donald Riegle, D-Mich., had interfered with the investigation. The committee issued a formal reprimand to Cranston and determined that DeConcini’s “aggressive conduct” on behalf of Keating was “inappropriate.” The committee concluded that McCain and Sen. John Glenn, D-Ohio, had shown “poor judgment” in meeting with the regulators. Some thought the scandal would end McCain’s political career. It didn’t. Every savings-and-loan institution in Arizona eventually failed. 2. AzScam: In 1991, an undercover agent passed out bribes and other incentives to state lawmakers in exchange for support of state legislation to legalize casino gambling during a political sting operation nicknamed “AzScam.” 3. Impeachment of Evan Mecham: Evan Mecham served as Arizona’s governor for 15 months. He was elected in 1986, impeached and ousted by the Senate in 1988. Mecham was indicted by a state grand jury on allegations that he tried to conceal a loan from a developer, but he was later acquitted of criminal charges. 4. Bishop Thomas J. O’Brien’s auto collision: Thomas J. O’Brien served as bishop of the Catholic Diocese of Phoenix for 21 years before his career abruptly ended in 2003. O’Brien acknowledged protecting priests who had molested children. In the midst of the controversy, O’Brien fatally struck pedestrian Jim Reed near the intersection of 19th and Glendale avenues. 5. Fife Symington fraud conviction: Fife Symington served as governor from 1991 to 1997. He resigned in 1997 after being convicted by a federal jury of bank and wire fraud. His conviction was overturned on appeal in 1999, and President Bill Clinton pardoned him in 2001. 6. Fiesta Bowl campaign contributions: A 2010 Arizona Republic investigation revealed that Fiesta Bowl employees were reimbursed for making campaign contributions. The U.S. Attorney’s Office is investigating, while the FBI and the Internal Revenue Service work with federal prosecutors. 7. Ned Warren, the kingpin of Arizona land fraud: Nicknamed the “kingpin of Arizona land fraud,” Ned Warren was convicted in 1978 of 20 counts of land fraud. In some cases, the same parcel of land was sold to multiple buyers. Tens of thousands of investors lost tens of millions of dollars. 8. The Phoenix memo: In July 2001, two months before planes hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Phoenix FBI Agent Ken Williams drafted a memo warning that Osama bin Laden’s followers might be enrolling in Arizona flight schools in preparation for an attack on the United States. 9. Alt fuel: A 2000 law was supposed to cost the state $10million, but in the end, costs topped $200million. The program gave tax breaks of up to $18,000 to Arizonans who bought an alternative-fuel vehicle. But drivers were only required to have a few gallons of natural gas in a supplemental tank to get the windfall. 10. Martin Luther King Jr. holiday: The uproar began in 1987 when newly elected Gov. Evan Mecham rescinded an order creating a paid state holiday in honor of slain civil-rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. Mecham said the holiday was created illegally and called for a voter referendum. Voters failed to pass a state holiday in 1990. Arizona made national headlines for its actions. In 1992, voters passed the holiday. im amazed how many are programmed to think we are dependent on the governments follies. THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WAY THINGS ARE. misappropriation of funds, embezzlement , scandals and frauds people like Bernie Madoff and his 65 billion dollar fraud Symington and Keating and Clinton that pardoned 200 Convicted Criminals. lawyers and politicians Bankers corporate bone-us legal fiction and fine print do more damage than the unemployed American that lost his job because of scandalous employed people. Ignorance contributes to the delinquency of our society. Who holds our government accountable absolute power is absolute corruption. And for the insanely ignorant commenter that will say its the people who votes that is the problem The Fact is Money is power. Money elects our officials and if you disagree you either don’t have the facts or are misinformed or are ignorant. If you think one man is responsible for our problems than your an extra special programmed idiot Obama isn’t the problem he is the only person that holds enough power to undo the way things are and that scares people. people don’t want to hear the truth it will destroy their delusions. if Obama knew the way out of sodomy and gonorrhea our current state of affairs, he could make it happen but he wont because he cant because he is not wise enough (actions speak louder than words). Because he is our president He deserves respect. soon he will pass the torch to next politically correct masterdebater and then all the chitstorm can begin again until history repeats itself. the only thing constant in this universe is change so either for the good or the bad its gonna change so get use to it folks. the simple answer would be to elect a person that is smart enough to make the morally correct changes for the morally correct reasons. Joseph K. These types of practices were in motion in the early 80’s even. There the seed took root. I was a student who was well above the course studies, teachers were frustrated on how to deal with me and administrators didn’t give a hoot. The Board of Education mandated certain rules that changed my life forever because of the “Cookie Cutter” system we have lived in far too long and not just in academia but also socially and culturally. I was not a perfectly shaped kid. I was the kid who studied the course over the weekend, showed up on Monday to get any information on the studies in each class, would then stay home very often Tuesday, Wed, Thursday. I would come in Friday, ACE each test and I was failed two years in a row because they had a rule for every 7 days missed from school you were dropped one grade level. So all my A’s turned to F’s. I was bored and felt no need to listen for 4 days what I understood in 2 days of individual study and Monday questions regarding my tasks. I do understand the proverbial thought of 90% of life being about ‘showing up’ but even in the workforce as an adult, I saw what ‘just showing up’ did for the companies I worked with and for. I suffered because of others failure to find a place for me and teacher’s hands were tied in offering me a specialized course of study that would engage me. Instead, I fell through the cracks in in my Fresh, Soph and Junior years of High School kept a consistent 4.0+ only to quit 2 semester of my Junior year being told by the vice-principal there were no options for me to graduate early when there were many programs available or should’ve been created to accommodate some who are gifted and some who fall short of the line of expectation. That leaves the majority of us out in the cold. I understand this young man’s speech centered on one major issue but I felt I had to comment about the degradation of U.S. education for decades and we wonder why we are outsourcing and recruiting from outside the States for jobs we don’t have qualified people to fill such jobs. Hey, Politicos, Leave My Teacher Alone (Pink Floyd twist). I always had the best time and stayed engaged with teachers who stepped outside the lines of what the B of E thought best for ‘the children’. I did go on to get my GED but I should’ve received a diploma instead via some program, or curriculum that fit my specific needs. Many might say this would overburden the system, this apparently has been the problem all along so it couldn’t have hurt to try and there is still time. Engage our children and let teachers inspire without being menaced by bureaucracy and oafs who know nothing about inspiring children to learn and continue to learn beyond school and books. IMHO. Melissa Naeimi I haven’t taught for 9 years. I began subbing again this year. I could not believe, when I walked into a 1st grade classroom, that the teacher left plans for the kids to write on their own papers, 120-1, 100+1, and so on. These kids did not understand place value whatsoever. It was a dog and pony show to please who? The test makers. They were not using mainpulatives! 6 year olds! omg Dave Weighing in on teacher salaries, I have 24 years experience and earn $51,000. I have one more pay step increase of about $2, 000. Haven’t received a raise in nearly 10 years. My retirement will be under $35, 000. JHL This brave testament speaks to the very essence of the teaching-learning experience. He is gracious enough not to attack the single-most negative expression of the Common Core, that is, RTI “schools” which seek to reify data collection (exclusively via computers) and report dissemination (which barely rise above propaganda), all for the meager undertaking of grubbing for government funding. Such vehicles leave individuals who have learned little and taught nothing in charge of evaluating experienced teachers and time-tested curricula, with their sole administrative by-product being the DIScouragement of accomplished academians, and the ENcouragement of a global attitude of disrespect for anything not readily reducible to binary code– in short the total abandonment of curiosity– most especially in pursuit of answers to those very universal questions which have driven humankind for millennia. For the quality of education dispensed, most schools could operate on 4/10ths of their current budgets; yet, the “sheeple” remain entranced with the absurd notion that “60% of the jobs of the future have not yet been invented” while the rampant confusion and lack of (any) “core” to the educational delivery-system is overlooked. Kudos to an articulate young man for seeing (and saying) that the “Emperor has no Clothes!” mary He’s got it. Can’t treat students like machines, nor can you treat teachers like machines. The whole thing forgets about the human factor. Need an Industrial Engineer in the mix to consider the human factor if they are going this route, they would soon tell them that this is not right. Ask any of them. wohlgemuth Wow this young man is right on the mark and as a teacher I whole agree. The only thing I would not characterize him as is conservative, let’s just call him a good citizen who supports teachers and education, for most of the “conservatives” in NC are definitely not like this kid. wohlgemuth Wow did he do a great job and I totally agree with this young man. As a teacher we are more concerned with growth on tests than actual learning. We pile kids into crowded rooms because of teacher cuts and then move them along to make sure they graduate. We preach differentiation and then give them all the same test. In NC we are telling our colleges to teach for jobs and not learning. I sympathize with our administrators who are given this to implement. They have to say don’t teach to the test, but then they have to turn to the data to see how we did. With that I would not characterize this young man as conservative. He sounds like a good citizen who supports kids, teachers, and education. He sounds like he supports the idea of an educated populace; the whole populace. Here in NC that is definitely not the definition of “conservative.” http://alittleitchy.blogspot.com/ brista So what are your suggestions? How do we ensure that every single child receives a quality education? kfred having had an introverted, highly intelligent son in a school system that took away everything non-core, i found it completely frustrating and offensive that someone that scored in the small high percentage and was even core evaluated at a college reading level in Grade 6 was placed in remedial English freshman year because the principal would not change his mind. he didn’t even take 10 minutes to talk to me after i jumped through hoops for 3 months to get his schedule changed. this same principal made my son a sophomore with .5 credits so that he could take the mandatory standardized test. in elementary school my son asked why he had to learn about cretaceous rocks AGAIN for the third year – because that was what the teachers were told to do – anything for the students to pass these tests! he is now 20 and school is not one of his favorite places which is sad because he loves to learn – he has learned more from research on the internet then he did from his schooling because when he was done with one topic, he was allowed to move on. it doesn’t matter which state or which grade, it effects all students and teachers everywhere. standardized testing is the downfall of teaching and learning. i also do not blame the teachers, i blame the politicians and the bureaucrats for placing a dollar figure on test scores. Keely Shaper Well said, and I totally agree with you 100% Karen Tully We should be teaching our children critical thinking skills, not memorization! Karen Tully The political party that imposed Common Core is also the party who benefits most from low information voters. Babs If you want to take that angle….the political party before this that implemented NCLB is also responsible for catering to the lowest rung on the ladder instead of running with the best and the brightest. This is not a political issue-this impacts everyone. Pat His speech was spot on but the woman behind him was so distracting with her open-mouth gum chomping. Disgusting. krispino Wow, this is a story about a student pointing out that the school system is not working and the comments are about people fighting over personal beliefs. It’s it any wonder why this country is in such a mess? A country that fails to be united is easily defeated. Props to this young man. He sees clearly. Guy Brarian If you actually take the time to check this kid’s research, you’ll find he’s selectively left out quite a bit. I’ll give him his due, he makes a very strong argument against No Child Left Behind. As for Common Core Standards? He actually makes the case FOR the common core, esp. in his conclusion (the PARCC test gives points based on how the student approached the problem, not so much for the “correct answer ” — as even in math, some problems have more than one kind of answer — It rewards individual creative problem solving, and it gives the lowest scores for formula or paint by number responses). And while he finds tracking data oh so pesky, here’s a fun data point: Tennessee ranks 42nd in the US for the amount of money it invests in public education. Previous rankings have noted this being a major contributor for low national rankings in math and language arts scores. Nonetheless, since common core was introduced, Tennessee has improved their math and reading scores on the old test. It will be interesting to see how they rank on PARCC. Daniel I am a student and I think this young man is a fool. We need more things like common core, not less. Every school across the nation should be teaching the same thing. He is ignorant. Education is all about training young minds to be good employees and good citizens. The creativity and other such things are byproducts that are mostly a irrelevant anyway. Darlene Lelle This young man, Ethan Young sees the true value of education! Respect of Teachers and Students as a viable force not to be turned into data and sold out by dollars! Michael Angelo I don’t even see this as partisan. I think this can be agreed upon from the left and the right. As a progressive I have made this same argument to many people before. Abby Vaile Bravo Ethan. I have researched these topics for several years and I can tell he’s done his homework. We are on the wrong road with education reform, as we disregard the problem that lead most to education failure, poverty. The money we have spent on high stakes testing that is not able to be correlated has been a waste. Common Core is no better, just a lot more expensive. Billy Baroo Ambitious, but NOT legit. Many fundamental inaccuracies with this speech. “Testing was implemented by No Child Left Behind NOT Race to the Top. Congress made that choice in 2001 and only Congress can fix it. President Obama has given many states waivers on their AYP. R2T2 is funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and has nothing to do with NCLB. Adopting Common Core is a voluntary choice decided by your Governor. Parents may not like changes, and yes more than half of the charter schools are no better than the ‘failing’ schools they replaced, but listen to the teachers if anyone. From my research, the vast majority of teachers support a curriculum as the best way forward. You can look back to A Nation at Risk for 30 year old evidence that curriculum, not choice, is the best foundation for our schools.” Billy Baroo Isn’t it ironic that a young man’s impassioned speech about being “properly educated” contains so many major inaccuracies? WRONG: Testing was implemented by No Child Left Behind NOT Race to the Top. WRONG: Congress made that choice in 2001 and only Congress can fix it. President Obama has given many states waivers on their AYP. WRONG: Race to the Top is funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and has nothing to do with NCLB. WRONG: Adopting Common Core is a voluntary choice decided by your Governor. Parents may not like changes, and yes more than half of the charter schools are no better than the ‘failing’ schools they replaced, but from some research the vast majority of teachers support a curriculum as the best way forward. Look back to “A Nation at Risk” for 30 year old evidence that curriculum, not choice, may be the best foundation for our schools. Billy Baroo Isn’t it ironic that a young man’s impassioned speech about being “properly educated” contains so many major inaccuracies? WRONG: Testing was implemented by No Child Left Behind NOT Race to the Top. WRONG: Congress made that choice in 2001 and only Congress can fix it. President Obama has given many states waivers on their AYP. WRONG: Race to the Top is funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and has nothing to do with NCLB. WRONG: Adopting Common Core is a voluntary choice decided by your Governor. Parents may not like changes, and yes more than half of the charter schools are no better than the ‘failing’ schools they replaced, but from some research the vast majority of teachers support a curriculum as the best way forward. Look back to “A Nation at Risk” for 30 year old evidence that curriculum, not choice, may be the best foundation for our schools. Billy Baroo Watch the original youtube video for objective comments from both sides of this discussion. willbucks Regardless of the he said she said. The point is he is right. No one is asking the teachers who are the experts and I think he was spot on in his findings and observations. Yearsatthis I hope Arne Duncan gets to look at this. PatrickinCT He was doing okay until he started complaining about teacher evaluations. You can argue about what kind of evaluation to use, but teachers generally don’t want anything at all. He recovers after that unfortunate detour. Discouraged Teacher I WOULD SHARE THIS 100 TIMES IF I COULD… THANK YOU… THANK YOU… THANK YOU!!!! http://www.facebook.com/mcdowdy Derek Anthony McDow Adorable. AmandaBerry Buzz words, buzz words, buzz words… *yawn* …using superfluous, loquacious speak leaves nothing but a thesaurus-driven cesspool that has zero merit and zero meaning. Anyone that buys into this bullshit “speech” lacks a firm grasp on the English language. ztom6 This is a very left wing critique of education reform trends… why is this being promoted on young cons then? He’s basically serving up the teachers unions’ arguments against teacher evaluations. Not that some of the criticisms aren’t valid, I just don’t understand the framing here. Danny http://highercorestandards.org/myth-vs-fact/ Andrew Ryan Decimate classically means to destroy 10% of something. The headline’s use of the word doesn’t read well to my eyes. Shaya Rome is burnng and All you Nero’s are fiddling. This is a report regarding the failed and illegitmate Common Core Standards of which BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE GUILTY and the comments have digressed into non-related political barbs between each other. If there any reasonable people still left out there something needs to be done. Michael Fun fact…Nero…was historically probably nowhere near Rome when it was burning…his detractors would later spread that story…but I’m sure you knew that jan He made a good and truthful speech. Too bad those who should listen and hear what he is saying will ignore him and things will go on the way it has been. After all their excuse is “he’s just a kid” and doesn’t understand. For those who have brought the political parties into this just remember we do have more than one party. It’s just people have chosen to continue with two failed ones we have. Maybe people should rethink their opinion and look into the Independent party. It couldn’t hurt anymore than the “other two” have for years. Just saying! Joe i want to remember his name, Ethan Young, because he might a future president,,,,at least I hope so dedicated teacher Shane, Thanks for the information. In Illinois right now it hinders you if you are looking for a job and have a Master’s. Our state finances are the second worst in the union with California only having more debt than us. So schools have not been receiving their state aid. Schools have cut jobs in record numbers and when they do hire they look for those without higher education. It is really sad since it means the students are receiving less education as before. I don’t believe throwing money at the situation will fix things, but the fact is having 20 students in class versus 35 students makes for a better learning environment. Those who need the extra help are not getting it. Kudos on New York on expecting high standards for educational training. Although from your other comments it seems that teachers are not earning a large amount more than teachers do in Illinois. ztom6 it’s like that everywhere. It’s in the contract that if you have a master’s degree they are required to pay you at a higher rate, so you can’t get even get a job at the lower rate if you wanted to. dedicated teacher Would I be crucified on this site if I admitted that I think my teacher has gotten better since the inception of Common Core. Some of the things I do now in my lesson I think “why wasn’t I doing this before?” For instance, my students have to support their answers with concrete evidence from the text, before they just had to answer the questions about the reading. The standards are harder and so I am focusing on three specific skills and drilling until they get it before moving on. I also like the idea of having the same standards across states. When my parents moved from Illinois to Arizona I was in the eighth grade. I had to go to the sixth grade math class since Illinois was two years behind Arizona. It was humiliating. Common Core should help with this. I have read the standards extensively and compared to the Illinois State Standards I do not see what the big deal is about. They are more extensive and build on skills from year to year. As far as teaching to build workers, well what is the job of school if it isn’t to prepare students for the workforce? Pecos_Drifter I love watching you idiots throw feces at each other on line….warms my heart and backs up my opinion that America is a dead rotting animal……. DOMiller All of his objections pertain more to the past 10 years of standardized testing, not to the Common Core per se. In fact, the point of the Common Core is to build the critical reading skills which would have helped him to see that education cannot be run like a business. Teachers are not small businesspeople in competition with each other over a product–which is the failed paradigm of the right that he references. The fear and discomfort of his teachers comes from the sense that they will be judged as they were previously, but this is not true. The point of Common Core is that students learn more than what a teacher teaches–that has always been true–when a teacher teaches more than a series of “standardized” facts. Dave As a principal in a public school in NC, I applaud this young man! It is time that parents and students take a stand for their teachers now because we are only allowed to do so much without losing our jobs! Our biggest advocates are our students and their parents! It’s time to fight this Common Core crap! Guest In certain cities, like Chicago, 75 cents for every dollar spent on education is spent on teachers’ salaries and benefits. It’s been statistically proven that children in broken families (those where one of the parents is just not there) do much more poorly than those from equally divorced or two, married parents. In many cities, counties and states DRock1986 In certain cities, like Chicago, 75 cents for every dollar spent on education is spent on teachers’ salaries and benefits. It’s been statistically proven that children in broken homes (those where one of the parents is just not there) do much more poorly than those from equally divorced or intact families. In many cities, counties, and states, school choice is not an option leaving a student potentially in an environment that does not allow them to achieve. Teacher unions have stipulations in contracts that even if a teacher has outstanding student and supervisor evaluations, works hard, and achieves more with his or her students, if she/he is the last hired, she/he is the first fired. But yes, bureaucrats, testing industry, and Common Core, tell me how it’s the curriculum that’s the problem. Taylor I’m from the same generation, young man. I understand what your saying. But you said nothing meaningful, or different. What’s your plan? Randy Tennessee’s educational downfall isn’t Common Core. It’s a different CC: Christian Creationism. Why would we assume that people in Tennessee don’t need to know the same science anybody else does? Why would we assume that math is different or less important in one state than another? Allowing religion and the ignorance of the locals to determine educational standards (even when it’s in direct contradiction of the US Constitution) is the primary source of educational lag in America. A national CURRICULUM, rather than merely a national academic achievement standard, is what will ultimately result in America regaining its place in the world educational community. In a country where a huge swath of its citizens think everything we know about geology, astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, botany, zoology, oceanography, volcanology, paleontology, and archaeology is wrong, why not start with what actually causes this ridiculous and laughingstock-worthy attitude toward education? areid This students reminds me of my first decade of teaching. When we beat the Soviet Union and still inspired other students to contribute to store house of knowledge. I regret that we created the quacks that are now setting up the standard for education. Our only hope is that the sane member of the states takes on the fosters of the common core. Wendy Kaufman Joshua, decimate means “take 10%”, hence the “dec”. I think you meant devastate. Etta Mae What an amazing young man; how articulate and thoughtful. My own education began back in the 50s, and I’m grateful for having been born at a time when teachers owned their classrooms, the education was comprehensive, and my teachers through persistence and dedication sent me out into the world with all the tools I needed for success, however I chose to define it. High school students today are graduating with hollow certificates because the curriculum has been so eroded over the years by academics whose goals in education I can only guess at. They certainly haven’t made critical thinking or a love of reading or the encouragement of creativity a priority. These kids can’t spell, can’t add, can’t read, don’t know the history of this country let alone the world, have never read a classic, and never pick up a newspaper or magazine other than Teen Beat or Entertainment Weekly. Certainly not all, but many of these kids have had their futures stolen from them by a failed education system. It’s time to turn things around. BRinehart Kudos to you Mr. Young for speaking the truth. Education has suffered greatly due to common core. Thank you for revealing the origin of the push. ALEC is another “think tank” organization attempting (rather successfully) to shape the future of education into what corporations want it to be. They wine and dine state legislators and amazingly laws end up being passed quite similiar to new ones on the books in other states. Those laws have also been harsh on teachers and public education. I have fought, fought, and fought some more. I am one tired teacher. I am committed to helping students. I never thought that would involve taking on half the world. Thank you to others who are also committed to America’s children and refuse to let them be educated like a stamp on a conveyer belt. Dr JB Excellent logical explanation for the school board for why their current approach is not working and not going to work, with a little bit of humor thrown in to keep their attention to the topic. His sincerity was evident, so I do hope that they take him seriously, though I suspect that because he told them that he learned “nothing” during his high school tenure, it is unlikely that they will take his remarks all that seriously. However, at this point, it is no longer relevant to him, as he is graduating, and hopefully moving along to college, where he can apply his intellect to a new set of challenges, which he will find are not dissimilar to those he faced in high school. Somewhere along the way, I hope that a mentor for this young man comes along, puts his arm around his shoulder and tells him that he will go a lot farther in making criticism of any system if he does so without making enemies along the way. Should he have made his concerns clear without being so critical of the school system, he might have gone a lot further in his quest to shake them up and get their attention. But when you push their backs against the wall, all that you have accomplished is to push them into a defensive position, which causes them to become rigid and unresponsive to anything that you say. I think that this is exactly what he accomplished here with his speech, though it was clear that he had many supporters in the audience. nikki I want to compliment Ethan Young for standing up. Teachers need to stand up all across America. Pres. Obama needs to wake up and fire Arne Duncan. Parents need to stand up against testing. America needs to stop bothering teachers and stop trying to get rid of unions. The Common Core Standards, these new observations and the new standardized test that students will be taking on the computer next year is a way of companies making millions of dollars off of the educational system. Education in America has become a profit making industry. Why would the Gates Foundation have anything to do with the Common Core Standards? Th newest standardized test is computer based. Peopl need to leave education to educators. Let teachers teach and let students learn. Everybody else stay out and take your stupid words, rigorous, effective and ineffective with you. regguls864 The problem with his argument is that it is not based on facts. Here is the Commissioner of Education of Tennessee’s report card for 2013 and it is a study of the impact of Race to the Top. Improvements in all categories. Appointed by a Republican governor. Tennessee is the fast improving state https://www.tn.gov/education/tcap/index.shtml and https://www.tn.gov/education/index.shtml Mary Maxfield This great speech was posted by a young conservative, but it has been embraced by young and old of all political persuasions. Let’s find common ground on such critical topics. CallingOutNonsense This kid is a political hack. Common, universal standards are essential to ensure that an American education has similarities in LA and NY and CA and AZ etc. etc. and children in any state are entitled to quality and equality. Everything he learned may not be quantifiable but basic core elements are. Mathematics, Science and Reading do NOT vary by geography but it certainly appears proficiency does. If it’s not a Federal Objective to standardize education, the Conservative Status quo remains and that simply is not good enough in a challenging world. Ethan give a good old Conservative yell but his argument is shallow and nonsensical. I imagine either he or a sibling has tested very poorly and resultantly, he’s not the genius he thought he was by his teachers rankings. Victoria Darby He was wonderful! The blond behind him, however, was very distracting as she chomped on her gum. I hope she was not a teacher. If she was, she needs to take note! The kids need to understand that this also reflects poorly in public. Alida Barbieri Ethan Young, with time constraints, numerous important comments, and perhaps a few nerves, you presented a heartening response to Common Core. In my 41st year as an educator, I am amazed at the lack of actual knowledge lawmakers have of child development, teaching, and education. Perhaps, if lawmakers directly involved frontline teachers and staff, meaningful, realistic reform would be created. Perhaps, if lawmakers wish to shape educational reform, they should begin by reforming their unlimited terms, greed, special perks and general unattractive lack of morals, ethics and values before micromanaging other professions. Thank you Ethan Young! Heather Reyda 1. i am so impressed with his research and concept of education. 2. his points are valid and spot on 3. i am embarrassed, that as an adult of two high school students in knox county, that this high school senior knows way more about common core than i know 4. i am floored by this student that knox county schools has helped educate, mold, and produce. 5. i would wage high that this kid knows way more about common core than the majority of people attempting to implement CC. and lastly 6. where are his parents? they need to be commended for raising such a kid that is already concerned for the education of children and he has not even graduated high school yet. Even in Australia You are amazing. Your respect and admiration for teachers is beautiful and I’m sure is reciprocated. And if this speech owes anything to them, your respect and admiration is clearly deserved. You are right – teachers, not tests, are at the core of learning. Ally L What scares me the most is that the educational system in the US has any “Young Conservatives”! It is a sure sign that we aren’t teaching any AMERICAN history! A real teacher This young man demonstrates so eloquently why we need Common Core State Standards and the testing which goes along with it. Surely he did not pass the persuasive essay assessment at school. He “learned” public speaking from certain TV programming which emphasizes passion in lieu of facts, emotion instead of reason, and conjecture rather than reality. Brandy Thomson Way to go kid! I love how you use your humor and sarcasm to gain support and make your point. You have my support 100% on anyway you find to fix this! I hope any children I have are taught by you or some of your teachers. pupsncats WoW! Where did he go to school? It should be the model of all schools if it produced such astonishingly intelligent and articulate young people such as him. Eddie frOly Awesome! To bad when this kid gets to college he’s going to have his keen intellect crushed by all the liberal jargon that the instructors can cram down his throat. He’s going to have his mind turned into liberal mush. peerdark I certainly hope that he does not sell out and become a lawyer,a journalist or a politician. I would hate to see him sell out his direction and mind to these people who have lost their soul and direction Holly Morgan This kid rocks my socks off! I wish teachers and education had more people like him fighting for us! KUDOS ETHAN YOUNG! John Lamberth Nice job… you misused the word “decimates” in the title. Vance Decker How did they misuse it? John Lamberth Unless he reduced Common Core by 10%, then the word is improperly used. But then, we seem to mangle and re-define words all of the time. Better word choices: annihilate or demolish. Common Core is crap, but it helps when people attacking Common Core exhibit that they have a better education than what Common Core provides. Vance Decker Your using a vary narrow historical and outdated definition dude. dec·i·mate ˈdesəˌmāt/ verb verb: decimate; 3rd person present: decimates; past tense: decimated; past participle: decimated; gerund or present participle: decimating 1. kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage or part of. 2. historical kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers or others) as a punishment for the whole group. Vance Decker Wait a minute?! Does this blog have any consistency whatsoever!? I was just reading about how brave bill gates was going against the minimum wage, http://www.youngcons.com/msnbc-tries-getting-bill-gates-to-admit-raising-minimum-wage-is-a-good-thing-fails-miserably/ …and now we have Bill Gates as villain? Get it together people. http://www.marktraina.webs.com Mark N Starla Traina GATES BILL GATES COMMON CORE GATES BILL COMMON CORE GATES BILLIONAIRE COMMON COREGATES http://www.youngcons.com/legit-tennessee-high-school-senior-decimates-common-core/ NAAWP – 2014 amour2sourire I have been doing math like this my ENTIRE life since I can remember. This is NOT new. I love math. It is my favorite subject, and I am very confident in my basic math skills. Nobody ever taught me “the common core” method. I figured it out on my own. This is NOT “dumbing” down America. I am usually so against what we are doing in the education system here in America. But this is something I can actually agree with. Memorization works with English and Grammar. But math is not just simply memorizing and moving on. This is a good method to actually teach kids because they are actually teaching a fundamental lesson that will benefit them in the long run! I think that only people with mathematical minds would understand. Everyone learns things differently also which is why the school systems do not work! Some kids would greatly benefit from this, and others just won’t. I wish I could explain this better. I think we need a Ted Talk!