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Gilbert Sr. I just watched a few minutes of Nancy Pelosi being questioned by Charlie Rose, and every time he mentioned something negative that is already known, she would stammer and try to “explain” why he was wrong…she obviously still doesn’t get it; she keeps saying that 95% of the people will have no problem – she’s even believing the same lies that Obama is…or maybe he’s believing her lies! Either way, the ACA is still a trainwreck! Charlie Nancy Pelosi wrote the ACA so I’m pretty sure she can set Charlie Rose straight on misinformation about it. (Were you aware that she was one of the main authors? Maybe not, I think.) Could it be that you’re too busy spending too much time on “tell-me-what-I-already-think-I-know” information to actually sit through the Charlie Rose interview and listen to what she had to say? Shogun American A senator named Max Baucus wrote it with a handful of insurance representatives. Neihn Shogun is correct. The ACA was written by Max Baucus and a woman by the name of Liz Fowler. She was a bigwig at WellPoint the nations second leading health insurance company and now works at Johnson & Johnson. Pelosi did nothing with the other bill other then vote on it. If she had “wrote” it as you claimed why did she say the senate needed to pass it so they could see what was in it? I mean if she wrote it she would have already known, right? glen Wrong and wrong. Ezekiel Emanuel was the architect of the ACA. Politicians were the transcribers of his plan… WarriorPitbull You say Nanci wrote it and can set Charlie straight on ‘misinformation’, but she didn’t write it and you’re spreading misinformation. Maybe you should shut your trap and get educated on the subject material before you spread more misinformation, unless of course, your intent is to spread misinformation, in which case, you are a traitor and a sheep incapable of making decisions well enough to vote in our country. It’s due to low-information voters that we’re in this situation in the first place. Daniel Davis Obama lied; next up, people died. Conservative Granny Obama lied; health care died! sanantongent Is anyone, besides me, sick of Lies, deceit, half-truths, bait n switch, deceptive trade, and no responsibility by anyone out of this white house? For the first time in my life I feel as if I am under attack by my own government. What does it take to get a recall on Barack Hussein Obama? Jeane Thompson Yes, I am very fed up. I have listened to the lies, deceit, half-truths, and bait & switch tactics of the Republican Party, the Koch Brothers, President Reagan’s administration, Rupert Murdoch’s biased, and untruthful, news agencies, for the past 30-35 years. The JBS, parroting Joe McCarthy, has infiltrated our political system to the point where our laws have been changed to profit the wealthy business owners and the corporations. The average U.S. citizen does not even understand how much their life is controlled by the banks, insurance companies and corporations. At Will & Right to Work laws, and Tort Reforms do not benefit the average person or the small business owner. Instead they allow the large corporations to circumvent finance laws, employment discrimination laws, and basic moral and ethical practices in the medical insurance companies! As a hospital RN, I witnessed, beginning in the late 1980s, when the Reagan Administration policies and deregulations allowed the mentally ill to be released from institutions, with no funding and no place for them to go – except the streets, and the insurance companies began their ‘death panels’ by denying patients the needed medical care to extend their lives. How many Americans understand that they can no longer, as individuals, take their credit card companies to court? By using your card, you agree to this provison, which is in your small print contracts – those notices you receive every year on the anniversary of opening your account(s). To me, the Republican Party is no longer the proud party of Presidents Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower! Glacier Every thing you just wrote is a lie.. Reagan’s policies and deregulation didnt cause the release of the mentally ill. The ACLU sued the Federal and State Govt’s The SCOTUS ruled that the mentally ill had the right to live free… State Mental institutions were forced to release them if they wanted to leave. This is a matter of record and is beyond dispute. Joe Mccarthy maybe maligned and hated but he was right. The Federal and State govt’s were infiltrated by communists and socialists. (the fall of the soviet union and the opening of the the kremlin archives showed this to be true. So everything you just claimed is a lie.. Lookeehere Oh, my lord. Could you be anymore of an automaton? ‘nuf’ Obama lied; America cried Jonathan Bilodeau Typical, trying to blow up the thing that is actually working. For the first time in my working life, my insurance premiums stayed the same! If Obamacare isn’t working, it sure as hell is working for me. I work for a company that provides insurance, my insurance has gone up every year I have been employed here, sometimes by double digits. This is the first time it has stayed the same. I for one truly believe the healthcare industry is trying to sabotage the ACA because it literally makes them less money because of the safety nets built in. No lifetime caps, no pre-existing denials, cheaper insurance for people who are using the marketplace, overall, there literally is nothing negative about this bill. Our current system was broken. People were getting rich off people dying, this helps stop that problem. We ultimately should be in a single payer system. The competitive marketplace is a scam, insurance companies are in cahoots and they get rich of people dieing and denying claims to patients. Wake up people, we needed a change! If you don’t like it, propose something better, all conservatives can do is try to demolish it without proposing something better. A lot of conservatives actually believe the healthcare system we had was working!! Seriously, no first world country pays more than America per person for healthcare than we do!! Newhere Seriously Jonathan!? So your argument boils down to “I don’t care that 10 – 15 million people will be negatively impacted, so long as mine stays the same it must be working…” Nice Jonathan… How liberal of ya. Nigradomaus Newhere, I can honestly say that conservatives are just as bad about making sure their, figuratively speaking, safehouse isn’t sabotaged by the same problems as the common citizen. Jonathan Bilodeau 10-15 people will lose their insurance because THEIR CURRENT INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER ANYTHING! The ONLY reason those people will lose their plans is because they don’t fill the minimum requirements. Requirements put in place to protect people from bankruptcy. To help take the burden off the taxpayer when someone purchases a healthcare plan and is denied coverage because they didn’t read their policy. People are irresponsible and don’t care. They get sick, oh well, hospitals have to treat them. If that’s the case, then under insured / uninsured people should be allowed to die. Do you think that’s moral? I personally believe in the social responsibility to make sure people don’t die. Call me a socialist, but I believe in the fact that the government has a responsibility to make sure its population is healthy. If you don’t believe in that, you are nothing more than a dictator, perhaps you look up to Adolf Hitler? He to chose who would live and who would die. SAMinPA As a middle-aged, postmenopausal empty-nester, how can you say that my not being willing to pay for coverage I don’t need (abortafacients, birth control, prenatal and pediatric care) means my policy is substandard and I should die? HOW DARE YOU. What I’d like to know is who the hell these self appointed experts think they are to tell me they know better than I what’s in my best interest. Jonathan Bilodeau How do you think you are paying for prenatal / birth control?? You have no clue how health insurance works do you? First off, if you are employed, your premiums are usually based on how many claims your company had, or, if you go through a middle man, a group of companies had. You are not “paying” for birth control, that is part of the prescription policies. You aren’t paying anymore for that than you do for cholesterol medication or blood pressure medication. You are paying for a plan, a plan that gives you blanket coverage. People who are losing their insurance are losing it because it didn’t pay. A lot of these plans had $100,000 lifetime caps meaning, one serious illness and your entire family lost healthcare. Do you think that’s right? You know what happens then? These families go to the hospital with no insurance, can’t pay their bill, then what? We taxpayers and people who have health insurance foot the bill. The ONLY way a privatized health insurance system works is if you are allowed to deny care to those who are not insured. Since, by law, hospitals can’t deny coverage, the ONLY way a healthcare system will work is if EVERYONE has healthcare. Hannah That’s funny, because my insurance covered EVERYTHING. Literally everything. Ya know, except maternity care and birth control for men…because somewhere once upon a time, someone with a brain decided men didn’t need birth control, so why should they have to pay for it? Now, my insurance that covered everything, still covers everything…..only I’m paying $642/month for it instead of the $150 I was before. I have several friends who are either low income or un-employed. They couldn’t afford insurance before and guess what, they can’t afford it now. Only now, since they can’t afford it, they’re getting fined….which they also can’t afford. Seems like some awesome change to me. You have quite obviously never been subject to a single payer, government mandated health care system. I have, for 7 years in the UK. Several members of my family, including my grandparents do, in Canada. The system sucks. People will end up dying, waiting years for treatments that could save them, like my uncle who waited 6 YEARS to get surgery on a brain aneurysm…..and died when it finally burst. We’re all so happy it’s working for you now…..give it another year or two. And ignore the fact that millions of people are now getting worse healthcare or foregoing healthcare period because under Obama’s scam of a healthcare system they can no longer afford the care that was actually helping them. You sir, are a self-centered moron. sickof it Well said Hannah!!! Geez! It seems like common sense, but doesn’t seem to get through to some people. Jonathan Bilodeau I almost guarantee its because the lifetime caps were lifted on your policy. Your health insurance may have covered everything but, tell me, what was your lifetime maximum? Also, if you can’t afford healthcare and don’t qualify for subsidies, you very bad with money. If these so called people can’t afford insurance, it will be subsidized so they can. My state, for one, has shown huge gains in health insurance coverage because of these subsidies. I also don’t believe your claims of the single-payer system not working. OVERWHELMINGLY its been proven to work. There are horror stories with every system, but, countries with single payer systems have higher health rates, higher life expediencies, and cheaper per person healthcare. If your uncle was at risk, he would have had treatment….period. You are put on a waiting list for elective and non life threatening illnesses. I have also spoken to many people from Australia, my uncle for one lives there, and everyone of them absolutely LOVE the system. RachelinPA Get an education. Hitler was a Socialist. Our government, according to our Constitution, does NOT have the right or responsibility to make sure we are healthy. It exists solely to protect our liberties, both home at home and from outside threats. How do you define ‘Healthy’? Does that mean we should all be vegetarians who don’t smoke, rarely drink, and no one uses any illegal drugs, sugar, fat, etc. and exercises a minimum (cardiovascular, of course) of 20 minutes, 5 times a week? I have personally experienced ‘healthcare’ in four countries on three continents. Ours is by far the best system. dizymeup not anymore RachelinPA Sadly, ours is STILL better than any of those I have experienced in Europe and in Africa – where the ER I had to visit was better than ANY ER I was in in Europe. snez Uh, actually, Hitler was facsist. there’s a difference. And no, we’re rated next to SLOVAKIA on health insurance. Canada, UK, France… they have the best system. Maybe you should stop drinking the Fox News koolaid Jonathan Bilodeau How do I define healthy? Hmmmm….maybe the idea that if you have a life threatening illness you don’t have to worry about getting treatment. You don’t have to comb through your policy to figure out if cancer treatment is covered. How about that? Because pre ACA, there were millions of cases of bankruptcy due to lifetime caps. How about the cold hard fact that the US has one of the lowest life expectancy rates, one of the lowest overall health rates, and the #1 highest price for healthcare per person among first world countries. If our system is so “great” as you claim, then why do we pay more than any other country in the world for substandard policies that drive people to bankruptcy….sounds like a winner to me! dizymeup How the hell do you know what 15 million peoples policy cover?….my sons insurance covered everything he and his wife needed, if it didn’t they would have changed policies on their own….yes….most people are actually smart enough to know how to take care of themselves and don’t need liberals telling us what we do and do not need……….Get your liberal head out of the sand and read about what OTHER people are going through instead of just thinking of yourself….what a jackass. Jonathan Bilodeau So, what were their lifetime caps then. These policies are not being cancelled for no reason. They are being cancelled to protect people from bankruptcy. To protect people from choosing to let loved ones die because their lifetime caps have kicked in. To protect tax payers from uninsured people using the emergency room as their own personal health insurance without being held responsible for the full bill. You act like the current system was working fine. Again, I will continue to state this. America ranks #1 in highest cost per person for healthcare in the world, and they are among the lowest in life expectancy and overall health among first world nations. Get your head out of the sand, the healthcare industry in America is a for profit industry. People are getting rich off other people getting sick and dieing. That is not the world I want to live in. Obama Sucks Keep drinking the kool-aid Jonathan Jonathan Bilodeau I will, believe me, I will. You keep drinking your tea. joan As a self-employed family of four, my husband and I chose…you hear that? We CHOSE the individual market insurance policy that worked for my family. We chose a policy with a premium we could afford ($350/month) with a deductible WE could handle if something catastrophic happened ($7,000) with 100% coverage after the deductible. I did my research and chose a plan that works…not a junk plan…a plan where I was in control of the choices I made. I shopped for the best prescription prices before I bought; I called urgent cares to check their prices before I took my child there in an emergency. I called new doctors to make sure they were in my network. You generalize that “people are irresponsible and don’t care.” I sir, or perhaps I shouldn’t call you sir, am responsible. The government DECIDED for ME that my policy wasn’t “good enough.” So the government put ME in a policy with nearly triple the premiums ($900/month) and a $12,600 deducible with only 60/40 coverage. Guess what? I CANNOT afford an almost $13,000 deductible and STILL have to pay 40% if something catastrophic happens. Guess where I will go then? To you, the taxpayers to bail me out when 30 days ago, I handled my own life, my own family and my own expenses! sickof it I applaud your response. I have been saying this almost verbatim for months! Jonathan Bilodeau I feel bad for you, I truly do, but you are one of a very select few who pay attention. If everyone were more like you, then great, take the ACA away. The problem is, people are naive. They don’t think ahead, they don’t plan. The majority of people who buy insurance have no clue what it even covers. Then, when something happens, we are left footing the bill for them. I also don’t believe your claim that your policy was that good for that cheap and now your policy covers far less for far more. I call BS. There is no way the ACA would have reduced your coverage and tripled your premium while increasing your deductible.. It wasn’t designed to do that, that isn’t what the law actually does. If you lost your plan its because of your health insurance provider, NOT the ACA. Guest Okay. You’re a socialist. Jonathan Bilodeau Call me what you want. If being a socialist means I believe the government should keep its citizens protected, healthy, and provide infrastructure to help build their economy, then hell yes, I am a socialist. People act like the government is telling you what to do. What they are really doing is protecting their citizens. This bill does more good then harm. Does it do some harm, sure it does, but no more harm than what was already being done. #1 reason for personal bankruptcy in america…..healthcare. top country in the world for most expensive health insurance per person. Ok, fine, then we must be the healthiest country and have the highest life expectancy right? Wrong, one of the lowest among first world countries. Sure sounds like our current system is working great. Lookeehere Oh, and you also have no idea what you’re talking about. At all. Jonathan Bilodeau Keep thinking that, I’ll keep putting fourth the stats….. #1 reason for personal bankruptcy in america…..healthcare. top country in the world for most expensive health insurance per person. Ok, fine, then we must be the healthiest country and have the highest life expectancy right? Wrong, one of the lowest among first world countries. Sure sounds like our current system is working great. Lookeehere Okay. You’re a socialist. dizymeup Good answer Newhere……Jonathan is a typical liberal…gimmme gimmme…what’s yours is mine….My son and his wife lost their insurance and the newer better Obama policy will cost a young married couple in their early 20’s $1313.00 per month with a $3,000.00 deductible each.(that’s a 500.00 increase per monthly premium)…yea Jonathan…..how very liberal of you…..enjoy my hard earned cash because I know I won’t be able to….I’ll be spending my older years helping my kids pay for their health insurance in addition to my own… HatesSocialism If youa would get your head out of lamestream media, you might have heard the news that there are several Republican plans. You’re falling for the lies, AND being very selfish. Let’s see how you feel if this continues long enough for the employer mandate to kick in and see how that works for YOUR plan. Here’s one of the alternative plans (not the only one but do your own homework if you’re capable) #ABetterWay American Healthcare Reform Act (AHRA) is only 200 pages in length and written in language so simple even a cub reporter can understand it the first week on the job. http://www.etbj.com/roeplan/ Jonathan Bilodeau There is no Republican sponsored plan other than status quo. I don’t watch the media, I get it straight from the horses mouth on CSPAN by watching the house and senate hearings. The Republicans have not offered ANY alternative to the ACA. Bob Lob Law I got my cancellation letter on oct. 25. I will go without insurance now. For the first time in 40 years I am insurance-less. However, Ive decided I have a better chance for cheaper prices for health care going to the ER WITHOUT insurance, then taking the price the hospital will “settle” on when I tell them I don’t have insurance. Just do as the illegals do. It works for them….and they even use ambulances for transportation to the hospital when they have the flu. Why can’t I do the same? I’m ready for EQUAL opportunity across the board. I want free healthcare too….just not Obama’s way….the illegal’s way. It works for them, it’ll work for me too. Jonathan Bilodeau You are part of the problem. Your insurance plan is being cancelled BECAUSE IT DIDN’T COVER ANYTHING. My taxes to go footing the bill for you “choice” to have others pay. How about you do the responsible thing and actually purchase a healthcare plan that covers you when you are sick? If you say you can’t “afford it”, you are completely lying. There are HUGE subsidies for people who don’t make alot. It all comes down to social responsibility and all you give a damn about is greed. You are part of the problem. The only reason plans are being cancelled is because they don’t meet the minimum standards that were changed. Minimum standards which are designed to protect people from bankruptcy if they get sick. SAMinPA You do realize your taxes are providing the subsidies for all these policies, right? So what’s the difference – paying for an ER trip or a lifetime of someone else’s coverage? SHinSF The difference is that if I subsidize someone’s coverage, it’s because they don’t make much income. If I subsidize their ER trip, it’s because they decided to gamble the system. I have no problem with paying a little more since I make more. My insurance went up – big deal. But for my diabetic mother, who is recently widowed at the age of 57 and as such no longer covered by my dad’s company’s insurance (she’s on COBRA for now), who works for a company with less than 50 employees that does *not* offer her health insurance, I think the ACA is a step in the right direction. Imperfect and poorly executed? Agree there. (The Europeans think we’re crazy, by the way.. before and after this damn thing was rolled out.) Jonathan Bilodeau We pay for them anyway as it is via Medicaid / Medicare. Its a step closer to single-payer. Do you know what the #1 cause for personal bankruptcy in the US is…..healthcare. Gee, that’s odd, the “best” country in the world and in terms of first world countries, we have one of the lowest life expediencies, one of the lowest in overall health, and the #1 country for cost per person for healthcare….seems like the current system is working great! buddyholly and soon we will be just like all the rest of the countries that have a pathetic excuse of a healthcare system. Because according to Obama we evil capitalist Americans should be no better than anyone else, no excepetualism here not at all. There should be competition in the marketplace which drives prices down. Besides the ACA isn’t about healthcare at all, it is about control of the people. There should be minimum regulations placed on the ins industry to keep them in line. and the people should not be unconstitutionally forced to buy into a govt ins system, faced with penalties fines jail property confiscation etc. undertakers make a mint off people dying so are we going to outlaw them or allow the govt to get into the business of undertaking? There are a lot of problems out there that can be solved very easily in the private sector, anything the govt gets involved in turns to failure, because if those in govt can not lead how can they be successful on anything else?Obamacare is the biggest govt or otherwise Ponzi scheme the world has ever known. Let it go on for as little as 5 years then tell us all how much you love it.the aca isn’t affordable,isnt care and yes it is a act, a act by the govt to drain you dry of your money, to kill your full time job, to get you on welfare drawing those soon to be nonexistent foodstamps,that will lead you to a early grave because of delays in getting critical care when needed, but due to the overwhelming doctor shortages and rationing coming up real quick you will die from waiting too long or getting inferior medicine/treatment. Where are you going to go for superior health treatment? Mexico? Canada? Overseas?, a freaking witchdoctor? so seriously johnthan, I know where your head is at, pull it out and look at the reality of this thing. When the elite in DC get the advantage over the rest of us then something is really wrong. I get a great deal on ins from my employer, for a very reasonable rate and very low deductible for me and my young son I pay 54 bucks bi-weekly and this is supposed to make me think that the systems is broken? uh no the govt is broken, it needs to fix first itself before it dives into the public sector, it needs to perform a consistent track record of success before it becomes the expert of anything, everything this president has done has been punitive in form and measure, wise up and check your facts for your own sake yeah I went on the govt site and did a comparison check they would have charged me over 800 bucks a month with a 13000 dollar deductible, which would make your last statement true no person in the world would pay more than that. Tell me if that is fair. right. Buster Do you not understand that the system pre-ACA is dependent upon private corporations to a) decide that their workers are worthy to received healthcare benefits in the first place and b) what the insurance will choose to cover and not cover? All your rhetoric about privatization “doing it better” than the government is what we see in our world TODAY. The reason healthcare costs have only grown — private insurance companies without regulation — that’s not competitive pricing, that’s price fixing. If you honestly believe unregulated corporations will act in the best interest of their customers above their bottom line you’ve probably had a brain injury that made you forget the major bank failures and the real estate debacle form the last few years. Insurance companies and employers WEREN’T going to offer better coverage or more coverage of their own accord and I don’t know anybody who was going to “negotiate” a better deal on insurance before ACA. If it’s not perfect, it can be adjusted, but don’t pretend the system now is good or even passably acceptable. SAMinPA Every issue you raise is directly due to government overinterference in the market. If the government would stop the tax credit for companies providing coverage, there would be more money in wages that the individual could buy a policy tailored to his/her specific needs. As for the banking and housing crises, look no further than the repeal of Glass Steagel and the ramping up of the Community Reinvestment Act. Every time government sticks its weenie in the soup it renders the product rancid. DanaC Buddyholly you’ve obviously not lived in another country and experienced universal healthcare. I’m from the US and I am THRILLED with the NHS in the UK. I have never waited for critical care of any kind. In fact I’ve received it far faster than I ever did in the US. I love you Americans who speak like you actually know what you are talking about. As the Brits say: what a load of bullocks. Guest1117777 If NHS in the UK is so great, why was it that when Meredith Vierra developed a serious infection in her hand while broadcasting during the London Olympics she was taken by her UK hosts to a private doctor? And why, when she asked them why not the NHS, they said “Umm…no”? RachelinPA Wow. I hated using the NHS. I was offered a hysterectomy instead of medication; my daughter, with fever of 106 F was refused treatment at her registered GP office; my son, who needed stitches, had his head ‘glued’ shut multiple times a week for three MONTHS instead of calling a surgeon for half a dozen stitches; my son, who broke his arm, was told to COME BACK TO THE HOSPITAL FIVE DAYS LATER for their BONE CLINIC instead of setting the fracture immediately…I can go on and on. And do you read the news in the UK about care rationing, the wait times for routine surgeries, the infections, and the low standard of care by nurses? Having said that, the NHS is the best system in Europe… And as for the new policies in the USA, these ‘Obamacare ready policies’ with higher premiums and high deductibles cover NOTHING. Users/Buyers have to pay MORE for premiums, with a high copay and deductible – nothing will be covered until their $4k or $6K or $8K deductible is met. They will still have massive debt at the same time they have ‘healthcare’ and ‘access.’ Jonathan Bilodeau You sound like a conspiracy theorist. You say other countries healthcare systems suck eh? How about the fact that every first world country in the world that uses some form of government healthcare has higher life expediencies and higher overall health than America? Corporate America has you brain washed. You will not have your house foreclosed on if you don’t buy insurance, you will have to pay a fine, which I believe is fair. Its people that don’t have insurance and choose to use the emergency room that screws us. Who do you think pays for uninsured people? Americans via taxes and reimbursements to hospitals from the government. Wake up, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Australia, Germany, Britain, Canada, France…..everyone of those countries has a healthier population and higher life expediencies than the good ole USA. Maybe the ACA isn’t the perfect answer, I’m not saying it is. I do applaud the administration for at least doing SOMETHING. Our current system was not working, if you claim it was, then you must work in the industry. We pay more per person for healthcare than any country in the world. Also, you claim to have a great plan……wait till you or your son get cancer or heart disease or some life threatening issue. The insurance company will stop paying and you will go bankrupt. You are blind to how the insurance system currently works. As it is, health insurance companies will go to any length to not pay a claim, they will even go as far as taking you to court and spending more than they would have paid out to set a precedent for future claims. Wake up, the health insurance companies aren’t there to serve you, they are there to serve their stock holders. Liliana Rawks How about the fact that in Canada the average wait time to see a doctor is 18 weeks? Then, to see a specialist that the doc refers you to is another 8 weeks. That is HALF A YEAR to be treated for something that may be life threatening. Like most clueless liberals you bring up other countries. If their health systems are so great, why do they come HERE for treatment? Canadian Human Resources Minister Belinda Stronach come here for breast cancer treatment? When Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi needed heart surgery he came to the U.S. Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams came to the U.S. to have heart valve replacement. WHY? If healthcare is so great in all those other countries why didn’t any of these people choose to have it done in one of those countries? Jonathan Bilodeau Completely not true. Life threatening illness are top of the list. I know MANY people from Canada, not just acquaintances either. Every single one of them prefer their healthcare system and have absolutely no problems with it. Some of them have had life threatening surgeries, did they wait? Nope. You hear horror stories when people fall through the cracks. You don’t judge a systems performance on individual cases, you judge them on the overall effect and, their systems far out perform ours, its a clear cut fact. Also, whats the overwhelming similarity with your examples of people coming here…..wealth. Middle class people and poor people DO NOT come to America for healthcare, rich people do. You are absolutely right, if you are wealthy, America has the best healthcare in the world. If you are middle class or poor its one of the worst in the world. Where is more of the population situated, yup, you got it, middle class and poor. Mrs. Stoner The employer mandate does not take affect for another year. When it does take affect, your premiums will go up or your company may not be able to provide medical insurance. Right now you are only being protected from everything because the employer mandate has not started. Jonathan Bilodeau The employer mandate only affects companies with 50 or more employees who do not offer health care currently. This will not affect me since, all that mandate does, is force companies to offer insurance. That will actually drive insurance premiums down because there will be more people in the system. Senior Citizen Be careful…. you might end up a part timer sir. Jonathan Bilodeau Those are horrors stories that are the exception. Very very few companies are cutting their employees to part time other than retail and, if you work retail, I feel bad for you. Retail is not a career path unless you are in the upper echelon where you are salaried and full-time / part-time don’t exist. Liliana Rawks Jonathan, again, you are wrong.The employer mandate also affects employers that offer coverage currently. If even just ONE of their full-time employees enrolls in the exchange and gets a tax credit, the employer will be fined $3,000 for that employee and every other one that decides to go to the exchanges. When a company has hundreds of employees, you think they want to gamble on that? Heck no, dump insurance. Either that, or cut everyone’s hours to part-time. WarriorPitbull Wrong, our company has -30 employees and some have already been let go due to the impending employer mandate. Stop lying to people. Jonathan Bilodeau That is false. If they told you that, they are lying to you. Mandate only affects employers that have 50 or more full time employees. You should read about it sometime. “The mandate has gotten lots of attention, but nationwide it will apply to very few businesses. That’s because 96 percent of all businesses have fewer than 50 employees, says David Chase, an outreach director at Small Business Majority, a lobbying group that supports health-care reform. “Of the 4 percent who’ll be mandated to offer insurance, 96 percent of those companies already offer it. So it’s 4 percent of the 4 percent that will be affected by the mandate.”” Direct quote from Business Week. WarriorPitbull Hilarious, I’m telling you what happened at my job, and you’re telling me it didn’t. LOL Keeping your lie alive whatever it takes. Jonathan Bilodeau No, you are telling me what your company told you, which is absolutely NOT the truth. Either that or you have more than 50 employees. Otherwise, its a complete lie. Donna Marie Smith Look ahead man.. Employers got a one year pass.. Next year it’s your turn.. Get your head out of the sand. I am a 61 year old, well past child bearing age, woman with no chronic health problems.. Why should I pay for pediatric dentistry and well baby care? WAKE UP! Jonathan Bilodeau Are you smoking something. Do you have healthcare right now, before Obamacare? If yes, THEN YOU HELP PAY FOR THAT TODAY. Have you read your policy, all those things you mention are baked into your policy TODAY. The ACA has absolutely 0 affect on that. For instance, my girlfriend, when she was on birth control, had it covered under her insurance which was the company standard PPO plan. There was no additional policy for prenatal or birth control BEFORE THE ACA. Liliana Rawks Do you seriously think the insurers aren’t making money off of this? Jonathan, use your head. They released their third quarter earnings which economists are calling “windfall profits.” They’ve revised upward their fourth quarter projections. Your rates WILL go up Jonathan. When all that sign up are the sick and poor your rates will explode. Jonathan Bilodeau The fact remains…..my rates DIDN’T go up for the first time in my professional life. Is that just a coincidence then? Why has my plan gone up every single year of my adult life yet, the year the ACA starts to go into affect, my rates stay the same, please, explain that to me. And might I add, my plan didn’t change for the negative at all this year and my coverage actually got slightly better. My employer costs also did not go up as my employer shares this information with their employees. Kristin I want to watch this but I can’t the overblown music is really annoying. Peter Hansen Watch it anyway. It’s worth it. Liliana Rawks The music is compelling. Watch it. Rob Wastman I got the cancelation letter from my insurance provider yesterday. Bob Lob Law I got mine letter on oct. 25. I will go without insurance now. For the first time in 40 years I am insurance-less. However, Ive decided I have a better chance for cheaper prices for health care going to the ER WITHOUT insurance, then taking the price the hospital will “settle” on when I tell them I don’t have insurance. Just do as the illegals do. It works for them….and they even use ambulances for transportation to the hospital when they have the flu. Why can’t I do the same? I’m ready for EQUAL opportunity across the board. I want free healthcare too….just not Obama’s way….the illegal’s way. Liliana Rawks I’ve been uninsured for the past six or seven years, since I went into business for myself. I have found that doctors — even specialists — give deep discounts to cash patients. Even the emergency room negotiated my bill because I agreed to pay cash. Those who’ve been dropped from insurance might want to take what they used to pay and put it in an account to be used only for medical. I am willing to wager you’ll spend less money annually paying cash than you would’ve paid with insurance. sneeze You’re so stupid if you think the illegals have it easy. Please, go ahead and give up your citizenship. I’d love to hear how easy it is from someone who obviously knows so much. Lookeehere I see it firsthand here in California. “Undocumented? No problem! Step right up and get your free stuff here!” Lookeehere Love your handle, btw! Bob Lob Law Hey! Thanks. I’m assuming you’re an A.D. fan. Did you catch the reunion season, on hulu? Bob Lob Law Hey, all you haters. C’mon!! Can’t you take sarcasm??? Did you seriously think that what I wrote was REAL??? Put your brains on. Why would I want to live the life of an illegal? But no, I really did LOSE my insurance bc of Obummer. However, This is all part of his master plan to create panic and chaos, and I for one am not subscribing to his plan. So, he can go suck it. Proud to say that I did NOT vote for Obamanation. snez I’m happy that the cancelation letter came. Now I can sign up for an insurance company that won’t deny me medicine that I need to survive, and now my mother who was without insurance, won’t have to deal with so many hospital bills from her blood disease. If you’re complaining, you’ve never suffered. Faith Will Really?? I am upset PRECISELY because I have suffered and people I love have suffered to provide for THEMSELVES. Because you did not do the same, others who did are supposed to suffer to service your needs? Why would you not assist your elderly mother, assuring that she does not burden others? Moreover, why did she not make the proper decisions to keep her out of her situation? No one wishes to see another suffer, but forced charity on the backs of the overly taxed middle class is tyranny. I hope you sleep well at night knowing someone else had to lose their insurance just to provide for yours. Rob Wastman Your happy my insurance was cancelled so you can get yours? Sonny J Thank you for your time and work towards this side of a complex issue. Regardless of which side people chose to be on, it is obvious to me that our elected officials have a difficult time with honesty. I have lost faith in the majority of them and think a major change is in order. Misslabeled Even if it were true, it’s a small price to pay for the personal freedoms the “other side” wants to take away–marry who you love, dictate your own family size instead of godtards doing it… Those things are priceless. I’ve seen a bunch of cons yammering that it would have been better to give each American a million dollars rather than spend the 400 million on Obamacare. But that would have been socialized medicine! Oh the horror of it all! Those people are a joke. I’ll die for my freedom through taxation before I acquiesce to government thought and behavior control. John I say tell them to shove the ACA and the taxes right up their ……I’m tired of it all. Do a search for Karen Hudes world bank whistle blower and learn whats really going on. Liliana Rawks A small price to pay. Having our liberty torn from us is a “small price to pay” for gay marriage and abortion. My God. . .America is dying. Misslabeled You hit the nail on the head: YOUR god is not mine, and YOUR religious stupidity should not dictate my actions. It says so in the First Amendment. Dan I lost my 100% coverage insurance from it. I have decided to risk my health and refuse to buy his product as a matter of civil disobedience. Everyone should too. We can fiscally collapse this trainwreck of a law by not cooperating with this mandate. Write to your representative and senators and ask them to protect you from the IRS backlash. keithsmustache I just did the same thing. Exactly my intention. Buck Ofama. Ann Shideler Hope you don’t get cancer or get in a car accident. Who do you think developed this video? The 1% did. They don’t really care whether you get sick and die. Just because POTUS is black does not make him evil. Why would billionaires wish for you to stay healthy? The don’t. Tracy Higdon He is not evil because he is black, he is evil because he is more concerned with his twisted agenda than he is the people of this country. He is evil because he is a lying lowlife who would cheat his mother to get his way. he is evil because he does not give a shit about the people of this country, he only cares bougetng his way. Should I go on? It has absolutely nothing to do withhis kn color. You are an idiot! And a racist jackass Ann. Tracy Higdon He is not evil because he is black, he is evil because he is more concerned with his twisted agenda than he is the people of this country. He is evil because he is a lying lowlife who would cheat his mother to get his way. he is evil because he does not give a shit about the people of this country, he only cares bougetng his way. Should I go on? It has absolutely nothing to do withhis kn color. You are an idiot! And a racist jackass Ann. Ann Shideler IQ 140 here. “Lying low life” is code for the n-word in case you wish to change the insults you use. Leave out lazy, Kenyan, slow, and un-American while you are at it. “He would cheat his mother” is not racist. What race am I against? Use your adult words, Tracy. Tracy Higdon Ann Lying lowlife is code for lying lowlife you idiot, I dont give a damn what your IQ is, if your an obama fan your an idiot. I find that people who start quoting their IQ are usually first class losers to detached from reality to accomplish anything on their own. obama does not give a damn about you and your health all he wants is control and you are a fool if you think otherwise. I would much rather deal with a for profit insurance company than some federal death panel when it comes time to fight for health care. Guest you’re* If you’re going to try to pretend to be intelligent by any means, you should learn the right cases of you’re and your. Tracy Higdon Stick it Bozo! Did I get that correct? dizymeup LOL….Good job Tracy but after going down this list of comments, Ann and people like “guest” are not intelligent enough to even try and talk to. dizymeup Ya know….(can i use “ya” instead of you?) people make typos and don’t see them till(until) after they post….you’ve added nothing of substance to this conversation…..the point is Tracys arguments make sense….maybe she was typing in anger at the stupidity of Ann Shideler….go call the grammar police…they will be the only ones who care about the you’re and your difference. john oh tracy. i am sure your brother and sister, i mean father and mother are proud of your ignorant mouth. hahaha. you are just inbred stupidity at it finest. dizymeup wow….ANOTHER Ann….when you have nothing of substance to say you just resort to gibberish…throw in a fact on occasion and maybe someone will take you seriously. Ann Shideler I am not an idiot, lowlife, stupid, or commie. I gave my IQ after being called stupid. You all were taught to say such things by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Now Limbaugh is against the Pope for saying that we should feed the hungry and house the homeless. The Pope has said that trickle down economics does not work. I agree with him. Please sit down and think for yourselves. Be nice to others. Calling me stupid because I disagree with you is redefining the word stupid. We disagree. Making me the evil one allows you to avoid compromise. I am an American who disagrees with you. What should you do with me? Compromise or shoot me? dizymeup And consensus here is you are STILL stupid. Ann Shideler Ow! robertdavidhummel “SHOOT FIRST, ask QUESTIONS if The IDIOUT SURVIVES”…PERIOD. Psst: I KNOW aLOT of REALLY INTELLIGENT persons, that cal Unriddle Calculus, …But…Have extreme DIFFICULTY,Bathing and Tying their shoes. …PERIOD. Karen Stasiak IQ measurements mainly point out what you are capable of, not what knowledge you possess. I must have missed the updated dictionaries which state “Lying low life” is synonymous for the n-word, are there any other terms that signify racism in your addled 140 brain, Ann? keithsmustache Usually Kenyans are black. If that’s code for n-word then it must be the code liberals use because conservatives don’t think like that. Droidzilla I wouldn’t walk around bragging about a 140 IQ. Ann Shideler This is why the billionaires sponsor videos like this one. dizymeup ANN …we know already….you’ve learned to post photos that others have printed words on. You really must have that 140 IQ ! How awesome for you. General Wrath cool story bro tell it again Guest So you show us the story of ONE guy who benefited from the “affordable” healthcare act (A.K.A Obama Care)? So, this one guy compensates for all the millions of Americans that lost their insurance and their CHOICE? Ann Shideler So, all you have to do to win is get about 5 million more people to change their minds. That’s about how many more votes Obama got. I am one of the majority now. Convince me to see things your way…oh, calling me stupid won’t work. Think about compromise. Democrats are willing to do that. You all have to give a little. No? Robert Todd Levin show one person that lost good insurance and only have worse options and they will be on the front page of the paper. plenty of people have benefited. including you. you have benefited a lot. larrybud Nothing was preventing him from buying insurance previously. Ann Shideler I now get insurance. I have enough revenue from investments to live a simple life but one serious illness would have wiped me out. My insurance premiums go to BC/BS and not the government. Thank you, President Obama! hmmm…I should be getting banned from here soon, but I do promise that I won’t post unless you respond to my posts. I am tired of letting you pontificate over here. I think that I’ll donate $25 to Wendy Davis or another good cause for every response I make here from now on. Someone better kick me out! Drew Anyone with a self-proclaimed IQ of 140 should be able to think for themselves and convey those thoughts through words instead of posting pictures like this one, which was produced by “occupydemocrats.com” as shown. Do us all a favor, Ann, and stop trying to show us all how “intelligent” you are by talking about your IQ. You are the epitome of a modern day liberal. If someone has a difference in opinion to your own, you automatically try to discredit their opinion by throwing around words like “racist” and telling people they are idiots for playing in to the 1%. When, in fact ma’am, you are the idiot for playing into the Obama Administrations countless lies and record of deception of the American People. If you truly had an IQ of 140 and truly are a graduate of the esteemed Harvard University, then you would be able to see that the Obama Administration has done nothing to help everyday Americans. Also, if you think that anyone on here is part of the 1%, I would say you are, once again, showing pure ignorance. I understand that it is impossible to speak sensibly with any liberal, but please, look in the mirror and realize that people like you are the ones that are further discouraging bipartisanship. Ann Shideler $25 to Wendy Davis for Texas Governor. dizymeup and guess what ann….my son who is only 28 and his wife will have a premium of 22,000 a year for insurance…so wake up…we have no winners here. Ann Shideler What a whopper! This article is a little old, but I don’t see a monthly premium of $1833.33. Did he go through healthcare.gov or his state site. He can get help. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/health/NATL-ACA-328-Average-Monthly-Health-Insurance-Cost-Under-the-Affordable-Care-Act–225324422.html Jon S. I guess with that 140 IQ that you can’t add up that there’s more cost than just the “monthly” premium. What about deductibles / out of pocket max? Robert Todd Levin The maximum out-of-pocket cost limit for any individual Marketplace plan for 2014 can be no more than $6,350 for an individual plan and $12,700 for a family plan. Robert Todd Levin no they don’t. not unless he makes over 230,000 a year. math is easy Ann Shideler https://www.facebook.com/elaine.vazquez2/posts/564742950270859?notif_t=mention dizymeup You are just so totally ignorant it isn’t even funny…it’s just plain sad…. Dave Ann- obvious proof that IQ means nothing, assuming you are telling the truth which it is fair to assume you are not, being a liberal sycophant and all. The conscience that justifies the murder of unborn babies can justify *anything*. You disqualify yourself from the start by supporting such a barbaric practice. Yes, @ “140” you are truly enlightened. No doubt many of those in the Nazi Party had equal levels of IQ all the while butchering millions of people. Bill Clevlen No, he’s evil because he’s a dumb ass. The race stuff is beyond “old”. Knock it off. Grow up. Ann Shideler Harvard graduate…a dumb ass. OH. Do you dislike the death of Bin Laden? Do you dislike the way Obama is dealing with Iran and Syria? What is your basis for calling him dumb? Just because I call you on it does not mean I am incorrect. Racist is as racist does. Bill Clevlen And you’ve just proven “stupid is as stupid does”.I could argue with you – but people that use the race card have zero logic or brains to speak of. When you can’t win an argument… you scream “racist”. Lame. Pitiful. You’re a loser. Ann Shideler Racist is as racist does. Stop waving Confederate flags at Tea Party protests…just a suggestion. Jeffrey Prokopowicz “Dumb” is lacking common sense no matter the IQ number. An apt description of Barack Obama is “literate idiot”. Ann Shideler You are playing into the 1%’s game. They have convinced you to benefit themselves. Stanimal032 As opposed to you, who believes the 1%, most of whom are democrats, actually cares and is looking out for your best interests. This law benefits big insurance and big pharma who pump money into the government to get laws like this passed. More people under insurance = more pharmaceuticals covered under insurance = more customers! Meanwhile this bill does absolutely nothing to take care of the actual problem in our healthcare system, and that is that people think they can disregard their own health because someone will invent a magical pill that will undo it all! Ann Shideler The increase in medical costs have slowed significantly in the last 3 years. I get insurance now even though I have a pre-existing condition. The cost is comparable to my COBRA payments since I have significant income from stocks and other investments. I don’t have to work every few years now just to get health insurance. Hmmm…the 1% sort of look like the 99% as far as politics. However, they are all experts at holding onto their money at the expense of the poor. http://www.gallup.com/poll/151310/u.s.-republican-not-conservative.aspx cancanjody And how about ur cancer treatment centers…ooops. Ann Shideler I do love all of the free preventative care. It is new in American health care. Free mammograms (did you cringe?), free birth control (do you object on “religious” grounds), free annual physicals for all insured (well they aren’t really free because we pay monthly premiums, but this will reduce illness in America). Now go out and run or walk or stop smoking/drinking. You have a part to play in your health. Stanimal032 I agree on the free preventative care. That is much needed and has been a long-time coming. Free mammograms are great. Free birth control is great (saves us money, my wife is on it), free physicals are great for early detection. I don’t have a problem with anything you are stating here. I do exercise 4-5 days/week and I don’t smoke or drink and I eat a paleo diet We have the MAJOR part to play in our health, not just a part. This is what I hope to pass to my patients. dizymeup This is where you are mistaken..IT’S NOT FREE…NONE OF IT….Someone is paying for it…..apparently it just isn’t you….and if you can’t afford birth control keep your legs closed…OR use a birth control that doesn’t cost a lousy 10 dollars a month. I had a plan before Obamacare….my mammograms were free AND I didn’t have to pay for your birth control. How about being responsible for your own well being and I’ll be responsible for mine….How’s your free phone working out?….do you have a job? ….People like you make me sick gimmme, gimmee, gimmee…guess what…we don’t all got it, got it. got it. meofcourse definitely NOT free, I’m paying over $150 each and every week for these supposedly ‘free’ items. But Ann has told us she doesn’t have to work and now she gets free care as well Robert Todd Levin you make over $82,000 a year. what are you complaining about? Ann Shideler I pay a monthly premium to my private insurance company and co-pays for doctor’s visits and prescriptions just as I did with COBRA insurance, Oh, and it is gratifying that Republicans are willing to participate in ACA fixes now. Thanks, Republicans! http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/04/07/republicans-agree-to-small-fix-to-obamacare-outrage-ensues/ Robert Todd Levin free with purchase of insurance. no co-pay. Ann Shideler You need to look up the definition of insurance, Guest. I was talking about preventive care. Preventive care does not require a co-pay. It is included in my monthly premium. Romney did this first in MA. It is to encourage people to go to the doctor to help prevent disease. ??? I don’t have t have a free phone. LOWEST RISE IN MEDICAL COSTS IN 50 YEARS! http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/free/20130729white-house-health-care-costs.html badswing how is it free? Robert Todd Levin free with purchase of insurance Robert Todd Levin free preventative care included in all insurance plans. looks like your particular problem was addressed Jeffrey Prokopowicz Nope, stupid is as stupid does. Nice Alinsky propaganda list. Just reverse the colors, or ascribe everything Obama says to his “enemies”. dizymeup you really think you make a good point because you were able to insert a photo here from “The Lib Nerd”….you better just go get some info on how to take really good care of yourself because our present government isn’t going to. Guest I am just batting at flies…usually do not do that. My main purpose is to focus on 2014. dizymeup Now that’s the the truth……and remember the people that are all for abortion are already born….. Robert Todd Levin anti-semitism. that will get your point across without giving the impression you are a neo-nazi Ann Shideler $25 to AANA thanks to you. Dave Not a single item is true on your little list; 100% the opposite as a matter of fact. Ironic, however, that those who you blindly trust in these matters are all themselves part of the “1%”. wes interesting Dave.. we both noticed the same thing.. if anything…racial tensions are far worse since Obama took office.. AmericanbyChoice The world is NOT buying the racist crap Obomination is spewing. We don’t care about color we care about people. He is just using this as a ploy like a magician … look over here while he is keeping you occupied and they are doing things much worse while we all pay attention to the wrong hand Ann Shideler I agree with that. A lot of Americans are really pissed that we have a slow, Kenyan, Hitler-like black guy as President. Re: Hitler, Obama is way behind in his quota of killing Jews and gypsies and has yet to start a war to take over the world. He should work harder to be like Hitler, I guess. Ann Shideler Oh the 1% have you convinced to help them get their next billion… corporate subsidies galore, 55 bills passed this year…the lowest ever, no help for veterans, no help for the hungry or the homeless (you know them as “moochers”), limited government except when it comes to women and their bodies, religion as long as it is your religion. America is better than you. Mongo Ann, can you stop jumping all over the place and stay in focus? Let’s talk about Obamacare. I’ll start IT SUCKS! Real people are really getting screwed over this, this information is out there for the taking, look it up if you really want to come back with a good argument. Ann Shideler I love my Blue Cross Blue Shield private insurance I got through the ACA. My monthly check does not go to the federal government. It goes to the private insurance company. It looks as if there will be even more options via the ACA next year. Be well. http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/health-insurers-obamacare-105676.html cancanjody THAT ^^^ is what Atheists do….. Ann Shideler $25 to the Wichita clinic for women. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/08/what-was-that-about-obamacare-being-bad-for-the-economy-203000-jobs-added-in-november/ Robert Todd Levin reality has a liberal bias rusureuwant2know We don’t have a broken immigration system. We have an illegal alien problem. It’s not the government’s job to create jobs. The civil rights problem is that we give privileged status to certain groups, while others are allowed to be discriminated against on the basis of the color of their skin. Jobs, college admission, etc., should all be based on merit, not color, gender or race. Robert Todd Levin sounds like someone who doesn’t have any merit complaining that he lost to an “inferior” rusureuwant2know If you’re responding to my comment, I didn’t “lose” – I scored better than they did. They got the job because they were automatically given a 5 point advantage. Robert Todd Levin Five point advantage? When I get 97 and you get 68 those five points I get for being a vet seem insignificant. Loser rusureuwant2know Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I scored BETTER than the “privileged” class. BTW, I’ve always said that if someone who served gets the same score, they should give the job to the vet. But they shouldn’t favor anyone by giving them an automatic 5 point advantage. You are the loser when they do. The idiots get the jobs. JBluen Simple question, Ann. Isn’t it true that Obamacare forces the entire country to subsidize Big Insurance, i.e. the 1% you claim to hate so much? Now go sit in the corner and think about your corporatist sins for a while. Ann Shideler We all benefit. More Americans get insurance so we are more like the rest of the modern world. The insurance companies get more business which makes them happy (the insurance is from private American companies and not the government). We individuals get lower prices because of the increased number of people insured. People don’t have to lose their homes and possessions simply because they get cancer. If you choose not to get insurance, Americans will still have to subsidize your minimal health coverage in the ER. You might die earlier. I hope you have insurance. Our huge (HUGE…look it up) infant mortality rate is sure to go down to…I love that those babies won’t die now…how about you? I bet you pictured black babies. dizymeup more Americans have LOST their insurance to Obamacare and will be unable to get it again because it’s too EXPENSIVE…I’m betting you’re on medicaid or you wouldn’t be claiming to be getting so much for “free” Your welcome….because I’m one of the people that has to pay for YOUR healthcare at the expense of my own. John smith People prices have gone WAY up because of Obama care.. My prices have increased x10 it’s crazy to see how ignorant people are.. And Imfant mortality would go way down without abortion Robert Todd Levin lying makes you look foolish cancanjody Oh you care about THOSE babies dying……huh. Robert Todd Levin insurance companies now have to spend 80% of the money they get on patient care. before they tried to spend as little as possible and that was far below 80% wes LIAR>> you got this from Obamas PR firm.. I wish that the liberals would practice what they preach.. I don’t see anything on this list that the liberals have accomplished… more BS.. drink your kool aid like a good little lemming Ann. Robert Todd Levin can’t accomplish much when the republicans filibuster everything Dave3240 Point by point, in order: DEMOCRATS enacted & enforced Jim Crow laws & opposed the CRA. DEMOCRATS back unions & raise taxes, forcing jobs overseas. DEMOCRATS love to harp about education, falsely equating $ per student with quality results. The truth is that while $ per student has skyrocketed, test scores have plummeted. DEMOCRATS refuse to allow drilling & new refineries here in the US. DEMOCRATS founded the KKK to terrorize freed slaves & Republicans. They hanged and burned those who dared to stand for their rights, both black & white. DEMOCRATS’ policies drive jobs and affordable housing out of minority areas: look @ Detroit, a city that has been under Democrat rule for 60+ years. DEMOCRATS falsely label ‘abortion’ as ‘women’s rights’ in order to play on emotions…but half of all babies aborted in the US are female, and 45% are minorities. War on Women, indeed. DEMOCRATS refuse to enforce immigration laws and/or the border. 30M illegals here; 30M unemployed Americans. Simple math. Send the illegals home & instantly fix unemployment: it worked for Eisenhower; see Operation Wetback. DEMOCRATS passed Obamacare over the objections of the majority of Americans. Now the HC system is even worse, even more expensive, and no one is signing up for the ACA. DEMOCRATS insult and neglect our veterans at every turn. Returning vets from the Af-Pak war now have to wait an average of 14 months to receive the benefits they earned. Meanwhile, a pregnant illegal can drop a baby on the N side of the border and receive instant access to benefits paid for by American citizens. DEMOCRATS are the party of Treason, Subversion, Economic Ruin & Racism. Robert Todd Levin Dave, dixiecrats switched over to the republican party a long time ago. robertdavidhummel Ms. Ann Shidler, …Good Day and ….. On reviewing all of your RANTS and INACCURACIES, YOU and OBAMAGHZI fit the same IDIOUCIES,…What ever the DEMONRATS are PAYING YOU, …”YOU should Tke the MONEY and RUN, …to the nearest socialist Country that will take you, SOOOOOON OBAMAGHAZI and his MINIONS will be doing LIKEWISE, for if they FAIL to EXIT , ,..The RESULTS will be LIKE the TWILIGHT ZONE. At 70 years old, this CHRISTIAN,Combat Veteran, and Presently IDENTIFIED BY YOUR ILK as Racist, Terrorist, and INFIDEL, …”NEVER FORGOT THE ADAGE”, …CAN’T FIX STUPID, …BUT’…WE CAN MUFFLE THEIR SOUND with QUALITY DUCT TAPE”, …SOOOO Lowe’s had some on SALE, I BOUGHT A HUGE BOX of it, …and I suggest YOU GO!, while the gettins good, …PERIOD. Pssst: My God Bless your Little Heart. Ann Shideler Ann 602-882-4964 VioletLoganGirl I’m done now. Off to work to earn a living, pay taxes. Try it sometime, thug. meofcourse Actually Ann has become the liberal 1% in that she doesn’t believe she should have to pay for her own health care and insurance. She’ll let the rest of us pay the difference so very little comes out of her own pocket. I’m paying over $8000 a year for a $18000 deductible. and I’m at about half of what they say is a middle income American. So basically I’m paying for Ann’s insurance and my own that I can’t afford to use. Affordable my backside Robert Todd Levin so you make 90,000 a year. still “The maximum out-of-pocket cost limit for any individual Marketplace plan for 2014 can be no more than $6,350 for an individual plan and $12,700 for a family plan.” so you are lying cancanjody THAT ^^^^^ is a crock. Total BS, honey. dizymeup Thank you! Karen Stasiak Read up on your idol, he was granted access to his education for reasons other than academic. In the absence of a teleprompter he falters worse than a grade school student. I don’t believe he is stupid, but he is certainly no scholar, and MOST certainly a liar. His goals are “Change” & “Hope”…No lie there~ Change the nation to the point that we have no hope of retaining our sovereign rights as a free Republic. dizymeup so well said…..how many kids get full scholarships just because the college wants them for “other” reasons….We see it all the time with football players. Ann Shideler Oh, just say you hate black people. It takes fewer words. email@example.com There’s nothing in Karens post that said she hated Black People your taking the talking points right from MSNBC if you don’t agree with this president or his administration you a racist.The President is the Biggest race Baiter in this Fight.I never had a racist bone in Body until this president brought it out in me and I am a Black man. Ann Shideler Please don’t fear a black person who is smarter than you. Honor our president’s ability. It actually will not explode your head. Ann Shideler Whut?!?!? I am SOOOO now young conservative. Thanks for the truth you spew. Ann Shideler Yep…he is such a dummy…oh and a nigger. Say it in public and you’ll feel the strength! Ann Shideler Fox News is a terrorist organization. Look at who owns them. keithsmustache Really, you think he did a good job with Syria and Iran. He basically strengthened our enemies–selling arms to the Muslim Brotherhood and allowing Iran to keep uranium centrifuges. The death of Bin Laden? They had to drag him off the golf course. Then they had to convince him to give the kill order. What planet are you from? dizymeup Oh quit the racist rant…..nothing about this law is about “O”s race….it’s about Obama and his scew up of a healthcare SCAM….Just because someone is a Harvard Grad doesn’t make them a GOD…..I’m so sick of people like you throwing around the race card when you can’t make any other point….OBAMACARE is ruining people lives…..there are millions of REAL PEOPLE that no longer have health insurance because of Obama….my son and his wife are 2 of those real people…..And you know abosolutely nothing about their health plan that they LOST…..well here’s a little info…it covered EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED…it didn’t suck and it wasn’t INFERIOR plan and IT WAS THEIR CHOICE….YES…CHOICE to keep it……NOW THEIR CHOICE IS GONE….it’s gone because our country put their trust in a man that doesn’t give one bit ABOUT YOU ME OR ANYONE ELSE……SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE…..there are REAL stories out there about real people who have REAL cancer…THEY HAD HEALTH INSURANCE AND NOW IT’S GONE!!! And while you’re in your next rant calling someone a racist, go look in the mirror…..you are a bigger racist than anyone else here….you like Obama because he’s BLACK not because he’s done a damn good thing to help Americans. Ann Shideler Your brains do not work the same way mine was. I don’t like starving children. dizymeup how stupid are you, your response had nothing to do with what I posted about Obamacare and where did it say I like starving children. until you can make some sense just stop posting…you sound like a moron. badswing see ann, you look at the record use of the snap program as a success. I look at it as a failure. it seems like you like to starve as many children as possible. sure, you give them a pittance and feel good about that. but you really do nothing but a disservice. how long till you realize that? wake up. you are buying into the sophistry the left spews to the sheep daily. you bleat the loudest under the guize of compassion when in reality it is under ignorance. I am sure you have a good heart. its your way of thinking that needs to change. how long will the “war on poverty” take in your world? Ann Shideler Thanks so much for letter me know I am stupid. If you hadn’t taken the time to tell me, I might never have known. BTW, on Jan 1, I get private BC/BS insurance that covers my current docs for a reasonable price thanks to Obamacare. Since my job doesn’t provide insurance and I had stage 1 cancer 11 years ago, no insurance company would insure me. Woot woot! Insurance in America! Who would have thunk? VioletLoganGirl Filthy stupid deranged bored thug. Angela Walker So, bad, Ann’s a sheep and you are simply a different kind of sheep. You’re the kind that thinks Fox News is news, isn’t bothered by corporate welfare, and loves the fact that the US is now an oligarchy thanks largely to the actions of the GOP. I’d have to say most rational people would prefer Ann’s kind of sheep. badswing angela you know nothing about me. so typical of a lib to think they know someone else’s wants, needs and ideology. my guess is you’re the kind that believes this administration and all their lies (would you like them enumerated?) yet seem to be so bothered by Fox. why is that? why can you accept lie after lie, failure after failure, yet just focus on one single news agency? so what is rational about Ann and her ideology? Do you actually think we are on the right path for America? To try to do the same thing over and over (redistribute wealth) and come out with the same results (poverty) but expect something different is insanity. btw, I hate corporate welfare. I believe in capitalism not crony capitalism. why don’t you start asking yourself about “the one”, Obama and his course. I think it makes our future bleak. Between Bush and Obama our debt has become a burden that will lead to our demise. don’t you think so? Angela Walker Dang, you’re right; it’s not always easy to distinguish one far right hate monger from another. That you quote Mike Savage tells us a great deal about you: big fan of hate radio, gullible, more concerned with feeding his own angry nature than addressing real world problems with real world solutions. I could go on but when you share that you think us bad libtards think of Obama as “the one” you make it clear you’re really not a serious person. And trust me, pookie, you’re not nearly the mystery you’d like to think you are. badswing typical lib. nothing to say because there is no real defense of this administration nor ideology. so the lefty playbook says to attack the person. you are a good little soldier. hope i meet you in the trenches. (quoting michael savage? hahahahahahah). pookie? pretty wierd firstname.lastname@example.org Liberalism is a Mental Disorder Ann.That is why your Brain doesn’t work like the rest of us Angela Walker Good one, wea. Although parroting an Ann Coulter quote doesn’t make you look too terribly bright. Oh well, one really can’t expect better from Tea Party dopes. email@example.com Ann I’ll put it in my words You fucking Liberals are Fucked up in the head.Does that make you feel better I don’t have to copy Ann Coulter I can say it for myself and by the way that’s a Michael Savage Talking Point VioletLoganGirl Filthy stupid deranged thug. Ann Shideler Is “thug” a code word for what I think it is, or do you think I beat up people in alleys for their lunch money? VioletLoganGirl Cruel and vicious ruffian. Look it up, genius. No code, but how very Leftist of you to suggest it, dumbo. Ann Shideler Go ahead and call the POTUS a nigger. We’ll understand. Go ahead. Peace…fucking love. Ann Shideler Laughter prevails. #2014 VioletLoganGirl We were talking about you, dumbo, remember? I’ll leave using that kind of language to describe the President to a low class thug monster like you. VioletLoganGirl So, what do you think it is? Enlighten us, wink wink. AmericanByChoice No one likes starving children. REPUBLICANS freed the slaves REPUBLICANS raise millions to help people. DEMO-RATS in Washington rake in billions… example Al Gore playing the global warming junk… where the heck was global warming this year??? The earth cycles with or without we humans. its a ploy to control control control… YOU my Annie num-skull will suffer as we all will IF the Obomination takes control, they are you lower informed voters to do the get them in power and then LOOK OUT… we may all suffer death camps like HITLER created… that will happen here Ann Shideler Hmmm…8 million signed up via the ACA….around 35% are under 35. There are more of the 1% in Congress on both sides than ever before, Most of them do seem to be in it for personal reasons instead other reasons. Please consider discussing topics without calling people who disagree with you stupid. I assure you, I am not stupid. Demo-rats? Is that how young conservatives like to talk? Please reconsider. I am also American by choice. Robert Todd Levin yeah. you are a liar. it is kind of obvious Dave Is this really the best Harvard can produce? Resorting to the ad hominem attack immediately proves that the opposition has won. The death of Bin Laden? How about the death of our Constitution? There has never been a more lawless President that this moron. And for the record genius, there is only one race, the Human Race. That liberals like yourself insist on categorizing people only proves that you are a fool and the real racist. rusureuwant2know He’s half white, you know. Does that mean that black folks who don’t like him are racist too? wes racist you are there Ann. Those that call others names are those that are the most guilty oftimes. Obama is a LIAR, a narcissistic and a RACIST. The public can not believe what he says because he is a pathological LIAR. Not because he is black, but because he is a POS. Being a Harvard grad… BFD… that impresses not…a college educated racist.. yippie…. pffffft http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ Goon’s ND Redneck Wow! So, someone can’t criticize the one and you drop the Racist charge on them. Obama’s a train wreck as a leader… the only thing good that Obumble has done is kill Osama and he’s failed at everything else but destroying the country. VioletLoganGirl Filthy stupid thug. Ann Shideler Then quit waving Confederate lags at protests. Quit using the n-word in your living rooms. Yes, your bigotry is getting old. Jon Peterman Ann you are surely insane Angela Walker Wait. He’s evil because he’s dumb ass? Would you say, Bill, that your intellectual level is approximately the same as the rest of the folks who regularly visit this page or produce it? If it is, damn, how sad for all of you. keithsmustache You can’t be this stupid. The 1% developed this video? Really? Who do you think campaigned and donated to Obama? Start with Oprah, Gates, Zuckerberg, Soros and Spielberg. I can name more. How did Pelosi start with 2 million when she entered congress and now she is worth as high as $180 million? Yes, the President is black and he is evil but the two are not necessarily synonymous. Tracy Higdon Exactly. Max Mahoney “The don’t.” Spoken like a champion with true intellect. Steven Tobias Yes, even with a 140 IQ….you’re an idiot Bob Smith Your trolling and they can’t tell. VioletLoganGirl Filthy thug. AmericanByChoice Obomination does not represent we the people all he can talk about is bashing Republicans… he is the root of all evil. He even looks like a devil in many of his photos showing his anger when things don’t go HIS way! HITLER… just like HITLER Marianne Wow…ignorant libs have been truly brainwashed into the class envy blame game. This POTUS is hurting middle class America. As a cancer survivor I am now without health insurnce for the first time ever as this prez decided to base insurance on our income! NOT AFFORDABLE even with a ridiculous “subsidy” of $80. You are truly ignorant if think the 1% wealthy in this country are responsible for the plight of the middle class. IT’s the DEMS all the way….this country has the highest poverty rate EVER due to the DEMS holding down the poor with their social programs. Every major city with the highest rates of poverty are run by DemocRATS. Quit being brainwashed by the Left’s propaganda. dizymeup Same here….I will not comply…….just hanging in there and hoping Obama hangs himself! Liliana Rawks If the House refuses to defund it then we have no choice than to defund it ourselves. I’m with all of you. I won’t be participating. wes defund by changing your W-2 dependents to 25 or more exemptions. You won’t be paying in during the year and won’t have a refund for them to rip off as your “penalty” for not enrolling in Ocare. Marianne Absolute agree Liliana and Wes. Never understood why anyone wanted that damn ‘refund” anyway…KEEP your money in YOUR pocket ….don’t let the gov’t use it all year. I calculate so I owe maybe $25 every year or get about that much back. BS to let them use your money you could be investing.anyway jonathan Your loss. We’ll pick up the tab when you have a heart attack. No problem. You do realize that change for the greater good sometimes requires personal sacrifice? Is there no possible way for you to get new coverage/policy? I’m also curious if you signed this policy after Obamacare was passed a few years ago??? If so, you insurance company conned you like they have done many Americans. They knew full well the policies weren’t going to meet the minimal requirements under the regulations of Obamacare when the law came into effect. They still sold those policies to people regardless. But I do have some concerns about Obamacare. I prefer the single payer system similar to Medicaid. But really the biggest thing is I don’t like being told what I have to buy. But when I take a step back and look at the bigger picture I remember the 3 hospital visits in the past 2 years going up to 80 thousand dollars I wasn’t able to pay that the tax payers picked some up of. I would have better served my country having a decent insurance plan instead of a plan that was bare bones. Now I can’t get insurance because of a pre existing condition. Well that was until the law came into effect. I’m sorry the law caused you trouble but it seems rather petty to put your health at risk. April “You do realize that change for the greater good sometimes requires personal sacrifice?” That’s the problem. It WASN’T for the “greater good” at all! 80-85% of Americans have health insurance through their employers, Medicare and Medicaid. They changed the entire system for 15-20% of the population. And what else will you let the government dictate for the “greater good”? Will you allow them to tell you what you can and cannot eat? Drink? Drive? Where you live? At what point are you willing to give up your freedoms and personal responsibility for the “greater good”? BluePotion Unfortunately those of us whose employers didn’t provide it, were doomed. My boss dropped our coverage a few years ago and I have been without ever since. sickof it It would have been your choice, at that time, to purchase health insurance on the individual market. Now, even if you are a 67 year old man, you will have to purchase insurance that covers maternity and even if you have never taken a drug in your life, you will have to purchase insurance that covers substance abuse. And when you pay the premium, keep in mind that your deductible will be $12,700 per year. Oh yes…that is “Affordable health care”. slowdown No sick – if you are 67 year old man you are covered by medicare…you purchase nothing. Lookeehere Wrong. Rhonda McCauley Yes, you do pay for Medicare. I help a senior, and found out almost $100 is taken out of his SS check before he even gets it to pay the Medicare premium. They never tell anyone, taking it out before payment who would ever know unless you looked into it. Teresa Yeisley Guess what, if you use Medicare, the govt comes back after you die and bills your family…it happened to us when my mom died. Rhonda McCauley Holy Geez Teresa! I did not know that. What a crock! Pete Bruno The “Free” Medicare you are referring to, is for Hospitalization ONLY! It’s called Medicare Part A. Parts B, D and any “Supplementals**” are paid for by the individual being covered. (Part C is the program called Medicare Advantage where an insurance company combines Parts A, B, D and a Supplemental into one big bundled package. Participants in this program must ONLY use doctors and hospitals, etc, that are included in the covered ‘bundle.’ These are PPO’s and HMO’s. Any other medical providers, if used, are “out of network” and are paid for, “Out Of Pocket!”) **If and individual wants real, comprehensive insurance coverage, than a supplemental policy, aka, “Medigap” MUST also be purchased. Bottom line: To make Medicare a real Healthcare insurance policy, an individual must add between $250 and $300 per month, to the “Free” insurance called Medicare. Teresa Yeisley Not only that, doctors don’t take Medicare pts, cause the govt doesn’t pay for months… Pete Bruno There are many doctors who do not accept Medicare or Medicaid patients for exactly this reason, as well as for being restricted to the government mandated reimbursement schedules. I got lucky with my Doctor(s), and was “grandfathered” in under Medicare long ago. None of them are now accepting new Medicare patients. Pete Bruno “Free” Medicare (Part A) only covers in-patient hospitalization. Everything else is the patient’s responsibility, either out of pocket or via purchased insurances. slowdown Yes April we do have insurance through our employers and our premiums have increased year after year after year by 10,20,30% because we are picking up the tab for the uninsured. Enough is enough! Pay your own damn bill. This year is the first year of the last 10 that my premium didn’t go up. Princess Kittles “picking up the tab for the uninsured, pay your own damn bill” I had strep throat and I had to pay in full, then wait for all people with insurance to be seen. Eight hours later, I was given sample packs of medication which caused my pancreas and liver to shut down. Now I have permanent damage to my organs, and the 20k in bills from the hospital for 6 hours in the ER destroyed my credit and resulted in me being sued by the hospital. They won. I’ve been paying this for 10 years, with interest which goes to the State, with no end in sight because they deem my payments (600/mo) as interest only. I’d have to make double to get out from this. I had to drop out of college, and recently lost my home, which cannot be foreclosed on because it turns out the mortgage company was involved in fraudulent evictions and has a moratorium on the practice until adjudication. I’m still paying taxes on a home I’m not allowed to live in. Where is all of this “picking up the tab” coming from? There are two reasons I didn’t have insurance, preexisting cardiac disrhythmia (diagnosed at 12) and because I couldn’t afford $300/mo for crappy coverage ($2000 deduct 80/20 up to 10K per occurrence) while I was putting myself through University. My portion would still have been $9600 with insurance, which would mean I would have still been sued by the hospital. I was paying them at the time, they just thought 300/mo wasn’t enough. I’m not against some of the policies within the overall act, but I am completely against how they are going about getting us to sign up for it and how they plan to pay for it. This isn’t about care, its merely a tax on white men, between 19-35. Look at the stats state to state, if you had a basic sociology course, it won’t take long to figure out who the “uninsured” are. I guess you should ask yourself this…..”Should I give up my rights in order to limit the amount my healthcare premiums may go up from year to year?” There are much better ways of providing affordable care to all people. EconGuy “better ways of providing affordable care to all people” Such as single-payer, which year after year bargains for the best rates… But we’re not gonna get that in a country that hates anything that smells of socialism so much that they choose to ignore economic logic and would rather accept natural monopolies, massive market failures, and externalities that ravage the otherwise good idea of a free market. Teresa Yeisley I call liar….I am way older than you, I’m sure and insurance has ALWAYS gone up incrementally. You are a good little tool. That or you are ignorant of how insurance works. heloMech Slow are you aware that employers plans are not affected untill next year. Our premiums are going up over 150%, for a fortune 50 company. Your gonna eat your words sooner or later Sammi De La Cruz Jonathan: There is no greater good when you have to pay for thing you do not use like the pill. Yes pay more for what you do use to help cover others but to pay for stuff you do not need, NO! Getting Screwed by Democrats I just love Obamacare. Thanks to Obamacare I now will have insurance that will cover me for mammograms, maternity care, pap smears, etc. I never had that before. Guess maybe because I am a 60 year old male and don’t need those…but I am required to buy them anyway. Obamacare is putting my health at risk because now I can not afford the health insurance. Plus the high deductible before the insurance kicks in. I am looking at over $20,000 per year before insurance kicks in and pays only 60%. I have to choose between a roof over my head, utilities, and food or health insurance. Single payer would be even worse health wise for Americans. If you don’t believe it read what is really happening in countries that have it. It is not working. Longer to get appointments and then they decided on what care you will get. The older you are the less likely you are to receive treatment because you are not as valuable to society. sickof it Oh my God!!!! Be careful “Getting Screwed by Democrats”….you’re making sense, speaking logically and telling the truth! You MUST be a bloodthirsty, uncaring, tea-party re-dumb-ican!!!!! Otherwise….what you are saying would just be CRAZY! slowdown Welcome to the real world getting screwed…..I’ve been paying for it because when you have an employer provided insurance you don’t get to choose which coverage you get. nuf’ …very good you have employer subsidized health insurance, now if you like in the “free market” you can “choose” get a smaller and more customized insurance to compliment the one you are getting thru your employer, that’s the your freedom to do that and there’s not a thing wrong with that, I do that with my employer subsidized health and dental insurance, I have gone out on the free market and gotten cancer insurance and an enhanced dental insurance to go along with the plan from my employer, its great to be in control and manage my own health care coverage, no need for obama to make me buy into a plan that covers testicular exams, prostate exams, abortions, penis reconstruction etc, because I am not a man nor am I going to have an abortion. nuf’ …very good you have employer subsidized health insurance, now if you like in the “free market” you can “choose” get a smaller and more customized insurance to compliment the one you are getting thru your employer, that’s the your freedom to do that and there’s not a thing wrong with that, I do that with my employer subsidized health and dental insurance, I have gone out on the free market and gotten cancer insurance and an enhanced dental insurance to go along with the plan from my employer, its great to be in control and manage my own health care coverage, no need for obama to make me buy into a plan that covers testicular exams, prostate exams, abortions, penis reconstruction etc, because I am not a man nor am I going to have an abortion. slowdown It is not employer subsidized HC…it is part of my compensation package and I have all of those coverages because it is cheaper to leverage one size fits all (economies of scale) versus each person picking and choosing what they need. If one of the largest companies in the world knows that…why would the government do anything any differently? RogueRose If you think insurance is expensive when it’s just you, your doctor, and the insurance co, wait until they throw a huge govt bureaucracy into the mix that all has to be paid for and supported (with their huge pensions and platinum health ins benefits).. then watch the costs skyrocket. EconGuy “free market” HAH, describing health insurance as a free market is like describing “avatar: 3D” as classical literature. Natural monopoly Adverse Selection Consumption externalities Free riders Assymetric information All of these are present in the health insurance market, all of these prevent a market from being “free” Teresa Yeisley Bullshit, the insurance company always sends out what plan you can have… Teresa Yeisley You must be taking lying lessons from your prezzy Jill do you think they should make plans based on your age and sex??? when you got insurance through your employer did you get to pick and choose what you were covered for? no you got the insurance they provided. This is the same concept. JG PALOMINO truth!, absolutely truth!!! may be I´m same old as you are, besides of I´m specialist in general surgery (fully trained in a foreign country though) jonathan Where in the law does it require men to pay for mammograms? I know it pays for mammograms every 1 to 2 years after age 40 for women and requires all insurances plans to have the things you’ve listed… for women. But I’ve seen nothing about this and men. Where did you get this information? Was this in the plan you shopped for online? It may have been worked out by now if the Republican’s hadn’t spent the past 3 years on trying to destroy Obamacare and would have worked on improving the parts of it they didn’t like. You act like I’m just spouting out shit I’ve heard on the television. Studying and investigating and writing essays on what I’ve learned is a passion of mine. I’ve studied the single payer system in depth in other countries. I have many friends in those countries; Sweden, Norway, Switzerland. And you know what, yeah the lines are a little longer and what not but EVERYONE gets healthcare no questions asked and it takes the money and greed out of the business for the most part. Sure you pay way higher overall tax rate. But if a flat tax was incorporated with the single payer system Europe’s problems might not have been so bad. And you’re acting like you’ve done extensive research on Europe’s economic problems. Because if you had you’d realize the single payer system is one small reason among MANY as to why they are struggling for the most part. Plus that little recession Bush cursed the world with didn’t help. And honestly, I seriously suggest you do some more shopping around if that’s the best insurance you can by. And if it is the case this is the best you can find (which I refuse to believe without proof provided) then it’s mostly due to the state you live in having been ass backwards like most of this country health care wise. Their laws are having to catch up with morality and humanity and common sense finally. Might have a little less money to build bridges or something in order to pay off the lobbyist and corporations but oh well. And for every sad, sappy (hardly believable) story like yours there is one where a family has been saved because they finally have health insurance. Or should I say, they can finally afford it or GET it because they have pre exisiting conditions. The whole world doesn’t revolve around you. Some people’s situations will worsen because of Obamacare as is with ANY law or just about anything you can imagine. The greater good sometimes isn’t so great for some. Out of curiosity though how was your previous plan in comparison? Of course only answer that if you’ve actually seriously shopped around and not just skimmed over or repeating what you heard on FOX News or Hannity or Rush Limbaugh the other day. I wish you the best but if a 60 year old man has to pay a little more for health insurance so 34 million American’s can have the opportunity to afford a plan… so be it. IseeDumbocrats There is no picking up the tab…. This is just democratic BS they feed you to pass their agendas… I’ve been without insurance for 5 years because of college and guess what! I’ve paid 100% of my doc bills! Time to use your head instead of your ears that are glued to that terrible democratic media MM I am sick and tired of hearing this “personal sacrifice” bull crap. When I look at my paycheck and I pay over $1,000 every two weeks — a little over 50% of what I make in taxes, fees, for my health care coverage — how am I suppose to live? What more should I have to sacrifice? I already sacrifice enough and I am tired of people saying I should give more. NO! The government taxes enough already! Teresa Yeisley I call bullshit on the “I cant get in insurance because of pre-existing conditions”. People have been able to get insurance with pre-existing conditions BEFORE 404Care. They just had to pay more, cause they used it more. Why are all you democraps such liars??? It must be part of your rectal-cranial infarction syndrome… Teresa Yeisley Oh, and such a good little socialist statement…” You do realize that change for the greater good sometimes requires personal sacrifice?” Bloomberg would be so proud of you…and Marx also. Hey, explain why all the FOB’s (friends of obambi) get a free ride, AND the azzwipes who voted for it, get to keep their plans? Maybe you should read Animal Farm. All people are equal, but some are more equal than others. Oh, and one last thing, you are being deliberately IGNORANT of Englandistan’s healthcare system–and the Canadian one–you know the one that is so good–they come here for healthcare pupsncats All tyrants that have succeeded in human history have done so by convincing people if they support him, their lives will be better. The results of this trust have been the mass murders, the extermination of millions, and the enslavement of other millions to a totalitarian state. Our government is tyrannical and it got that way by convincing people like you that some, not all (government employees, unions, Indian tribe members, Congress, and more), must sacrifice for the greater good. In a totalitarian state, all are equal but some are more equal than others. You are being told you must sacrifice but others are not. You are being manipulated into believing the government, the tyrant, knows what is best for you and you will be forced to do only that which the government determines you may do. wadejlong I am with you. snez Typical republican logic. Let’s act like children if we don’t like something. Yup. Personally, I’m happy my insurance company cancelled. Now my family can apply to one that won’t deny covering the medicine me and my sister need to survive. Kennedy Or we could act like spoiled brats, like Liberals do when they don’t get there way…see Obama… slowdwon This isn’t about getting anyones way…it’s about people refusing to buy insurance because they don’t think they need it. They get sick, in an accident and hurt and wind up in the ER only to find out they can’t afford the $23K bill for repairing a torn achilles so they can walk again. They get put on the $5.00/month payment plan and then the hospital raises its rates to cover the loss. The insurance industry then raises its rates so they can maintain their profit margins and those of us with insurance pay the increase. I’m not a liberal…I’m an conservative and I’m jumping up and down for joy….I’m getting all of you uninsured off my checkbook. My company is jumping up and down for joy…they are getting all of you uninsured out of the cost of our products. nuf’ better get ready to write a BIG check slowdown No nuf – I work for one of the largest automotive OEM’s in the world. Our corporate Economists have already done OUR own study and it is saving us money. I just finished this years benefit elections and my premiums/out of pocket max STAYED the same for the first time in ten years. If you are one of those people who doesn’t have HC insurance by choice …you get ready to write a check…to pay for your own damn HC. nuf’ ahhh see, apparently you can’t keep up with the feed and missed where I explained my insurance plan(s) that my employer and I pay in addition to a side insurance I pay on my own, when you assume, you reveal weakness and ignorance, good night, was trying to engage in health insurance suggestions but you want to argue, you must be a democrat, leave the post if you can’t discuss and want to only be bossy Teresa Yeisley Everyone had healthcare BY CHOICE before…Oh, and thanks for outing yourself as the good little union hack you are…. nuf’ better get ready to write a BIG check Lookeehere And, you’ll be paying 200% more for less coverage and won’t have any real doctors in your network to choose from. Teresa Yeisley Liar, one has ALWAYS been able to find coverage, how else did those cancer patients–THAT HAVE BEEN KICKED OFF THEIR PLANS BY 404Care–been able to HAVE an insurance policy that they could get kicked off? Oh, and btw, my friends and granddaughter have Cystic Fibrosis, and they were able to get coverage… Desiree Seifert I will NOT sign up for any government health care and I will NOT pay any fines for noncompliance, Ovomit and the IRS can both kiss my ass, I will NOT be forced to buy a product I do NOT want!!!! slowdown I’d be fine with that Desiree…as long as you never set foot in a hospital ER to get help. I’m sick of paying for you and people like you. Lookeehere Talk about misdirected anger. Tell the people who passed the damn law that says you have to pay for other people’s ER coverage. Dunce. EconGuy You think that hospitals should spend the time to check on somebody’s insurance status before admitting them to the ER? I wonder what the efficiency cost of losing the couple of minutes that takes is when somebody is bleeding out in an ambulance — DUNCE. alli you will eventually be on single payer and paying for everyone…chew on that smart arse Rhonda McCauley I checked the exchange and I qualify for medicaid. So if I should take it, you will be paying for me. I won’t opt for that I pay out of pocket. I don’t need the government sticking their nose in my business. I qualify for food stamps also, no thank you! I work two jobs and manage. swetamsaile You go girl! Keep reaching for the stars. I wish there were more people with your moral fiber. G-d bles you! Goodyeargirl good for you, Rhonda. Ann Shideler If you qualify for Medicaid, Rhonda, you cannot afford to pay for insurance or a trip to the ER. I hope you stay healthy. If you work two jobs and qualify for Medicaid, your companies are not paying you a living wage. They are probably making amazing profits while you work hard to barely survive. You are mad at Obama? Be mad at corporate America. They are the ones who do not care about you. Rich people and rich corporations are paying to convince you that Obama is evil when they are the evil ones. Their ads have worked with you. keithsmustache An MSLS have worked with you. How many more people would be out of work without those evil corporations? Then just think how bad Obama’s record would really be? EconGuy Actually since the corporate structure is designed to minimize labor costs by contracting out production amongst a multitude of smaller firms rather than use domestic centralized production, if that model were to die off and be replaced by non-incorporated businesses, there would be more jobs. keithsmustache Stop your jibberish. You are talking about socialism. If the private sector is not creating wealth who will pay for those jobs. Where will tax revenues comes from? Rhonda McCauley I do not work for corporations, I work for small businesses that need someone they can trust. The government has screwed small business over for several years now, both parties. Two parties is a farce now, it is just to make us fight amongst ourselves. And Obama did not come up with this incredibly horrible ‘health care’ system, Hillary started talking heavily about it on the news. FDR and LBJ both had plans to start it also. I do not like Obama, I do not like either Bush, I do not like Bill Clinton(man, he had me fooled), they are all together in the long run. High IQ does not protect one from naivete. Ann, you are set in your beliefs and no amount of evidence or proper debate will ever change your mind. Government should never be involved in our life choices. Not in health, not in schools, not in our light bulbs, and not in our toilets. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid should NEVER have been implemented. Americans made it before without those programs, but enforcing those made us weak and dependent upon our governmental babysitter. Ellzee Mason Well, I don’t know Rhonda. I think government should be in our toilets. HA! Rhonda McCauley Good one Ellzee! EconGuy Name a first world or OECD country that does not involve government in schools or regulation of important industries that impact the health & safety of the consumer. Please… I’ll wait as long as it takes. Rhonda McCauley Yes dear, and there you go. Governmental regulation was a good thing, or seemed to be, back in 1960. They have escalated and continually overstepped their bounds in many areas of our lives. You call yourself EconGuy, is that for economics or something else? Do you feel, now anyway, that regulation is correct in all these countries? dizymeup You are so blind Ann…..just go away ….. Guest oh and by the way….there are a lot of charities that help people that have to go to the ER….That’s PEOPLE helping PEOPLE(and I personally know 2 people who have had Catholic Charities pay their entire ER bill because they had no insurance)who do you think donates to these charities….some people that can donate $5.00 and others that can donate thousands…YOU sure have a problem with people who have worked their asses off and have more money than you….such a hateful person you are. EconGuy Relying on private donations for charity which serves society as a whole creates a “free rider problem”, causing a valuable service to be underprovided due to individuals contributing less than they otherwise would on the assumption that others will do more to make the difference – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem - dizymeup oh and by the way….there are a lot of charities that help people that have to go to the ER….That’s PEOPLE helping PEOPLE(and I personally know 2 people who have had Catholic Charities pay their entire ER bill because they had no insurance)who do you think donates to these charities….some people that can donate $5.00 and others that can donate thousands…YOU sure have a problem with people who have worked their asses off and have more money than you….such a hateful person you are. Oh and please don’t start a thread here hating on the the Catholics or their Charities….you’ve spewed enough venom already. Ellzee Mason Ann, you really need to quit bragging about your IQ…but it’s not helping you seem any smarter. People on Medicaid go to the ER CONSTANTLY. They use it the same way others use regular Dr visits. Get out of your Ivy League tower and come visit the real world for awhile. It will boggle your 140 brain. By the way, my brother’s IQ is higher than yours and he’s just about the dumbest person I know. IQ does not translate into smart life decisions or viewpoints. dizymeup I applaud you….and it’s a damn shame that if you need some help you can’t or won’t ask for it because of the many that have abused the system. My husband lost his job for 4 years at one time and I too would have qualified for food stamps….I refused to be part of having the government in my business….we got by without but we learned to manage better and survived…again I applaud you for your stance. DumbocratsSuck You’re dumb. All these people getting gov aid are spending our tax dollars, not the ones who don’t get gov coverage dumb ass! EconGuy Poor people pay taxes too. They pay property taxes on the homes they rent because the cost of land tax is embedded in rent. They pay corporate taxes because a portion of the tax is embedded in the price of the product. They also pay sales tax, and while their income and payroll taxes are small, they generally remain in excess of the value of their standardized deduction. dizymeup I’m with you on that for sure and I would bet my last dollar that most Americans will be doing the same…….just the fact that the the website alone is so unsafe to input your personal information SHOULD be enough to make the rational person not want to use it. But as we both know the list of “bad” goes on and on with Obamacare….(PS…I refuse to call it the Affordable CARE ACT….it is not AFFORDABLE AND THEY DO NOT CARE) Obama owns this shit lock stock and barrel and I do believe eventually we will be rid of him and his crappy lack of healthcare….the question is how many are going to die or be put into financial ruin before that happens. EconGuy Wait… have I been living in an alternate universe for the past decades? Have insurance premiums, out of pocket expenses, and the number of “uninsurable” individuals NOT been rising over the past two decades? Oh wait, just checked… no, I was right, you’re just pissed about a trend that was already happening. dizymeup Apparently you have been living in an alternate universe. I am 54 yrs old…NEVER in my life have I seen any health insurance premium go up by $500.00 per month and have a $3000.00 per person deductible added to it as was just imposed on my son and his wife. How is 1313.00 per month with the added 6,000.00 deductible affordable? The point is we had choice before…there is NO CHOICE ANYMORE. My sons 800.00 plan was perfect for THEM. It covered what they needed…IT WAS THEIR CHOICE…..now because he and his wife are in their 20’s they are expected to carry the weight of those that want everything paid for by government taxes. DON’T YOU DARE TELL ME WHAT i’M PISSED ABOUT. I’ve been in pharmacies talking to people who are in an even worse positions than my kid….their premiums have more than doubled…..and do you know what will happen…EVEN IF THE WEBSITE WORKED, Obama AND his administration lied over and over…..no one trusts him and his lousy healthcare scam….and it is a scam….Obamacare will go down the toilet on it’s own….it isn’t care and it’s affordable….people are not going to use the site unless they are stupid or desperate. People like you make me sick, you want from everyone else and then claim it’s for EVERYONES good….well I don’t need you, or Obama telling me what’s good for me and my family….last I checked this was AMERICA…LAND OF THE FREE….we aren’t supposed to be slaves to the government. Larry Smith Dan, I agree with you in principle, however you ignore the facts of government programs. In the 1980’s War was declared on drugs and legislation was passed to enforce this war. It is now 2013, the war on drugs has been the biggest failure of any legislation ever passed. Drug use in the U.S. is the highest in the world, we have more people in prison by a wide margin than any other country in the world, we have ruined the lives of millions of U.S. citizens. This failure has been going on for forty years and there is no indication that it will even have any major changes. So, even with catastrophic failure of a system which is painfully obvious, it will just keep on going. The really bad part is that it could be easily changed by U.S. citizens getting off their lazy duffs and voting. From our entire history, it is evident that this will not happen, most voters are zealots with a very low percentage of actual civic minded individuals who see this as a responsibility to our country. So, in summary, if we cannot get the people who are actually affected by legislation out to vote then extremist, on the left or right, depending on which has the biggest turn out, will continue to control our country with everyone else’s tacit consent. Just my views, so take them or leave them as you see fit as I have not provided any concrete evidence to back anything up. Think for yourself. Ann Shideler “pregnancy-related deaths in the United States have risen from 7.2 per 100,000 live births in 1987 to 17.8 per 100,000 in 2009 (the latest year with reliable data), according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.” More people will be healthier now. How is that a bad thing?You have been learning at the feet of billionaires who care nothing about you. http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-merck-maternity-related-mortality/1793258.html Steve 100% agree. If my individual policy is cancelled, or the price rises to an unacceptable level, I will simply refuse to buy health insurance and put my assets in a trust. TMakonnen Ummm, it’s not Obama’s product. It’s private for-profit insurance The whole Individual Mandate was dreamed up by….the Heritage Foundation. As an antidote to Hillarycare. Thus, your own “medecine”, so to speak. Enjoy!! Steve Canon I am forced to go one step further. I will no longer file a tax return. Elections are no longer honest so its up to us to starve the beast. The federal government does not have the resources to lock us all up. Robert Todd Levin no you didn’t SEC. 1251. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COVERAGE Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed to require that an individual terminate coverage under a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which such individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act. Marianne I lost my insurance and cannot afford this crap as this POTUS decided to base it on income! A lousy 80 dollar subsidy and over $800 for premiums….UNAFFORDABLE. 52% of the country is opposed to Ocare… Mary Socialism=Communism. Thank you Obama for ruining a country I was once proud to live in because of my freedoms. You are a train wreck, and karma will get you. MaryDoesntUseADictionary communism |ˈkämyəˌnizəm| (often Communism)nouna political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war andleading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. See also Marxism . socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|nouna political and economic theory of social organization that advocatesthat the means of production, distribution, and exchange should beowned or regulated by the community as a whole.• policy or practice based on this theory.• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism. Raphael And in case those definitions didn’t make it totally clear, Obama is neither a communist nor a socialist. Plinytherecent Given his statist positions he is certainly a Marxist. If you eliminate communism and socialism, that only leaves Fascism of the three major historical variants of Marxism. As evidenced by Obamacare, the various EPA takeovers, Dodd-Frank and other recent legislation, it is clear that he wants strict central government control of industry, while leaving nominal ownership in private hands. Fascism then does seem to be the most apt descriptor. sneeze marxism isn’t facism either Plinytherecent Actually, fascism is explicitly marxist. Benito Mussolini, a life long leftist whose parents were members of the Italian Communist Party, developed the fascist economic and political model based on the theories of Marx. He avoided confiscation of private property in order to minimize resistance from industrialists, but did exercise strong control over industry through central government planning of wages, benefits, prices, production volumes, etc. A later fascist regime, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, included a robust minimum wage, universal health care provided by the government, and strict central control of industry as central themes in it’s party platform. Both governments were totalitarian, which is entirely consistent with marxist thought. Lookeehere They’re all vehicles for tyranny. Liliana Rawks He is a tyrant. dizymeup Bottom line…call it what you want….Obamacare….ACA…it STINKS OF LIES…it’s thievery…of our money and of our health! snez And yet it’s still better than what we had. Guest Really? Give us an example of why the old system was so bad, instead of just shooting of your mouth. I can give you a personal example of why the old system was good, good enough to keep. Two years ago I had major back surgery and had to have my lower spine fused, from L1 all the way down to the Sacrum. I spent a total of 7 days in the hospital and the total bill was $335,000. I had United Healthcare and Medicare and the combination of the two paid every cent of the bill. That doesn’t sound to me like a system that needs to be trashed for something akin to socialized medicine. slowdown Now imagine yourself without insurance because you decided to by a bigscreen instead…..who pays the bill? Lookeehere What are you talking about? Go away, troll. dizymeup Says you….it certainly isn’t better than what I had or the millions of others that have NOTHING now. RedneckBastardChild Doesn’t socialism purely defined by only its definition part of our conservative beliefs? sneeze You poor, poor moron. nuf’ when you resort to name calling you reveal your lack of intelligence SterlingK What Obama has dished up is NOT what we were sold. The ACA was presented as filet mignon… “Everyone will receive lower rates, better coverage, and better service.” -Nancy Pelosi “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period.” -Obama “The mandate is absolutely not a tax.” -Obama But what’s coming out of the kitchen is a plate of hotdogs covered in Tabasco Sauce. Sure, there are a few saying, “MMMmmm, that’s nice. Look everyone, hot dogs!” But for most of us, it’s NOT what we ordered and we are NOT happy about being force-fed a plate of $#@*. TwpMom Hot dogs in Tabasco sauce might not be your favorite, but at least they’re edible. The ACA is serving us something more akin to the “hot dogs” my pup leaves on my lawn. handgunnar The first clue about this turd should have been the fact that it was compulsory. (Who has to be forced to do something that is obviously a great deal?) The second clue should have been the fact that the scheme was so great a deal that it’s architects wanted no part of it themselves. SterlingK What Obama has dished up is NOT what we were sold. The ACA was presented as filet mignon… “Everyone will receive lower rates, better coverage, and better service.” -Nancy Pelosi “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period.” -Obama “The mandate is absolutely not a tax.” -Obama But what’s coming out of the kitchen is a plate of hotdogs covered in Tabasco Sauce. Sure, there are a few saying, “MMMmmm, that’s nice. Look everyone, hot dogs!” But for most of us, it’s NOT what we ordered and we are NOT happy about being force-fed a plate of $#@*. SterlingK Obama Care In A Nutshell… Where I work there are mobile vendors that sell hamburgers and hot dogs during our lunch hour. They pay our leasing company a small fee to set up their stands in our parking lot. Imagine one day, the leasing company (govt) tells the vendors (insurance companies) they can no longer sell individual items. Instead they must only sell combo meals with either a deluxe veggie burger or a Chicago-style hot dog. The vendors make the necessary adjustment and price their meals accordingly. While some are fine with the change, many are upset because they are now forced to buy food and toppings they don’t want or need. These customers begin looking for other lunch alternatives–some opt to skip lunch altogether. Meanwhile, the leasing company sets up their own food stand in the exact same parking lot. They advertise discounted prices by subsidizing their costs. Unable to compete, some vendors cancel items from their menus and others pack up and leave. Irate customers demand to know what happened to the vendors and items they were promised they could keep. Still trying to figure out their own cart, the leasing company shrugs the disappearing vendors off as “substandard” and selfish. Months later, all the vendors are gone; only the leasing company remains. As the sole provider free of competition they do as they please. Demand exceeds supply, lunch prices have gone up, quality has gone down, and the only available line wraps halfway around the building. Ed on some level this sounds like the Blockbuster Video strategy – under price, over supply , drive out competition, raise rates, impose steep fines and then lose it all to an online strategy. Let’s hope Obamacare suffers a similar fate.. BluePotion Yeah and I miss Blockbuster. Mamakon Brilliant word picture, SterlingK! Thank you. Now pleeease go explain this to our Congress! Meg Greed + Republicans have made the ideals of “Obamacare” impossible to implement. The costs of healthcare to the individual have been creeping up for decades. Insurance companies have dictated who could get insurance and who couldn’t. And hey, don’t dare get sick with something where you’ll need ongoing care, else it’ll be bye bye go die. President Obama has attempted to make it better…..but the greedy establishment and the politically motivated won’t let it happen. OvertimeinFL You didn’t watch the video did you? You can’t argue the facts, so you just spout BS. We were sold a false bill of goods and lied to repeatedly; and yet you are still a true believer. Pathetic. MikeDR2012 Meg likes her flavor-aid sugar free, thank you very much! MikeDR2012 Meg likes her flavor-aid sugar free, thank you very much! Liliana Rawks I have a feeling Meggy is one of the takers. Sally How do we look up the sources, when you see the numbers at the lower left side of the video? USAFA10s Go to the actual youtube page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWMbqxgMDo and look in the video description, the info is there. 17_woods The packaging of a fraud by liars. Don DeLancey The facts of this video are indisputable. Even a number of the President’s staunchest former and current supporters are acknowledging Obamacare as the train wreck that is was destined to be, and is now showing itself to be. Expired I dispute their math statement that 1.4 trillion is double 940 billion. double would have been 1.8 trillion. Makes me wonder what other numbers they fudged. Screew all the politicans. NYCFiredog BRAVO. WELL DONE. 1politicalgirl Just shared with my representative — who is all for ACA. Let’s see how he reacts. when.pigs.fly Thank You YoungCons.com & Joshua Riddle!! gottasay My wife and I also lost our health coverage due to this monstrosity. I too am doing what Dan (see comment below) is doing. I refuse to buy Health Care insurance. Words cannot describe how upsetting this mess is when it could have all been avoided. Truly incompetent leadership. drurichman Obamacare is almost the most radically conservative, and truly libertarian, law possible. About the only way to make this law even more radically conservative (and non-libertarian) would be to require everyone to buy a new gun and a case of ammunition for each gun owned every year. The new healthcare law does not require anyone to buy healthcare insurance. This is totally a libertarian concept. What the new law does is impose “personal responsibility” on people. Benefits for making good choices and being required to pay the costs of making poor choices. No mandatory “sharing” of benefits gained or costs incurred. You choose–so you win or lose based on which way you bet. That is also most certainly BOTH a conservative AND libertarian concept. It differs from “what was” because, historically, the price of healthcare insurance could be literally unaffordable. Thus, it was not an option to buy or not buy. Because it was unaffordable, that meant it could not be purchased given the income of those who wanted to buy it. The ACA (Obamacare) subsidizes the cost of healthcare–making it affordable for everyone. Thus, NOT having healthcare insurance is no longer due to it being unaffordable. Not having healthcare insurance now is a choice freely made. The new healthcare law requires the payment of a relatively modest penalty for not having healthcare insurance. The reasoning is fairly simple. The question is not “if” someone will ever need healthcare. It is a matter of “when” and “how much”. A small reminder is exactly what the penalty is (like your mother saying “You should have it”). People know they are now being held accountable for their choices–whatever the outcome. They have the choice of having healthcare insurance or paying the penalty for not having it–in terms of real money–as a result. Choosing to not buy health insurance is a choice. Why that choice is made is irrelevant. The potential of saving money is a valid reason and there may be other reasons as well. The key point is it is a choice made. If someone does not require significant healthcare during the year, that person gets to keep the full savings (= premiums not paid, by choice). The person made a conscious choice to take the risk–and it paid off for him/her. This is totally a conservative and libertarian way of thinking. What about the person who made the choice–but then needed healthcare? The real penalty is only incurred when people who chose to not buy healthcare insurance require significant healthcare–and they run up the bills accordingly. Because these people chose to not have healthcare insurance, they are required to pay the full cost of their healthcare out of their own pocket. This is also totally a conservative and libertarian way of thinking. Those people made the choice, took the risk, and it turned out to be the wrong choice. Those people pay the price for making that wrong choice. Lesson learned? The above paragraph is very important. The “writing off” of medical care provided by an emergency room will be greatly reduced in the near future. The healthcare law will dramatically increase payments to emergency rooms for medical care actually delivered. That means the local governments that operate those facilities will see a significant drop in unpaid invoices they send for medical care–which means lower taxes for taxpayers. This financial incentive will cause even more bills to be turned over to collection agencies and aggressively pursued because the person who incurred the expenses will be expected to have had insurance–but chose to not have it. The people who will mostly get hit by this surprise expense will tend to be younger (in their twenties) and have the “I am invulnerable” mindset. Getting hit with $20k in medical bills for one incident might change their minds about the need for healthcare insurance. But it will be far harder to get out of those debts because the public expectation of “pay your own way” for healthcare is now a “personal responsibility”. Conservatives do not really believe in accepting “personal responsibility”–but they keep talking about it. Because the decision to buy or NOT buy healthcare insurance is at the individual/family level, so are the rewards AND penalties of the choice made. There is no way conservatives can shift “personal responsibility” for the outcome of Jim Bob’s choice to someone else. They can not shift the reward if Jim Bob takes the risk and does not have many medical expenses–Jim Bob did it himself, so he gets to keep ALL the savings. Successful risk-taking yields the reward to the person who earned it. There is no socialism or communism anywhere in that bet made by Jim Bob–no sharing of risk AND no sharing of the reward. The opposite is also true. There is no sharing of the loss if Jim Bob did need significant medical care. The bills are all his–nobody else’s. Why conservatives AND the Tea Party/libertarians would oppose a law that imposes one of their deepest wishes into law is something they can never explain. They should be bowing at Obama’s feet for actually doing what conservatives AND libertarians have dreamed for generations. MikeDR2012 Wow…in the words of Richard Hayden “You have derailed!”. The law doesn’t require anyone to buy health insurance…so it just taxes them for the hell of it? Oh, I see. Instead it “imposes personal responsibility”. I see. Much like how abortion laws in Texas impose personal responsibility? Dude, if Jim Jones had a son, he’d look like Obama, and you’d be his nephew. drurichman @MikeDR2012 – So what’s your solution? Exactly. Go back to the good old, bad old days when insurance companies could cancel your policy for any or no reason at all? Back to the days when women were charged a higher rate just because they were female? When insurance companies classified pregnancy as a disease? Back to the days when insurance companies were reactive rather than proactive? Oops, sorry they’re still reactive. Back to the days when you and I and other responsible citizens had to pay the hospitalization and long term care costs for those who were irresponsible? So what’s your solution? Repeal the ACA? Not gonna happen. Well, actually it could. Right after Congress repeals Roe v. Wade, and the 19th Amendment. Anyway, what ya got in mind? Stephanie Garmon You have not read the bill. Lack of healthcare insurance does not mean a lack of healthcare. These items alone makes the rest of your post moot. drurichman Quite the contrary. I HAVE read the bill. All 2200 pages of it. And most of it, I might add, in high legalese)… But you might want to re-read my post which, in part, says that individuals should be responsible for their own healthcare coverage. They can gamble that they’re not going to get seriously ill or they can find an insurance company and pay for coverage if they don’t want to gamble. ACA removes the ‘I can’t afford healthcare insurance’ argument. If they decide to gamble and not be insured, and pay the very minimal fine, and then get seriously ill, they’ll have to accept the financial implications and repercussions of their poor choice. Why should you, or I, have to pay for their poor choice. And mind you, it doesn’t matter if that choice is financial, political, religious, philosophical, or any other reason. We shouldn’t have to pay for they’re bad choice. Liliana Rawks Exactly. I’m uninsured and get the best healthcare money can buy. MikeDR2012 “The problem involves basic economics” ahh, well there’s your problem. Liberals don’t understand basic economics. They understand roads made of lolly-pops and fairly tale endings. Freedom Fighter I have written again and again and nothing has happened. I have been told to write more letters. The days of writing letters are soon to be over, and a war will be upon us. This war will not be fought in the mountains of Afghanistan, but amongst us. It will be fought in urban and rural areas alike. May the day come when the blood of tyrants runs into the ground and refreshes the tree of liberty. MOAN LABE. Darrell I am one of those who cannot get insurance due to pre-existing issues. I can deal with the hand I was dealt. I will not burden the US and my children and grandchildren with this problem. I would rather die from my disease than take away the FREEDOM of another person. I still work every day and pay all I can and that is the best I can do. I will gladly give what is left of my life to rid this country of this tyranny. God has blessed me with a glorious life and I have no complaints. In my opinion anyone who would want an entire country to suffer for their own life has a life not worth living. TheDonald2 You are my new hero. KitOathKeeperCrider Its hard to believe but America was once made up of millions like Darrell. The were called the Greatest Generation. Thank you Darrell for your courage, and for your love of Country! I salute you, Sir! Mommamia1 I concur Darrell. I chose dying poor and persecuted for God and my country to being a comfortable slave. I will fight a damned good fight until that time. ‘nuf I am against this ACA it is a farce. I do believe that both parties work on assisting people like yourself. I would be in support of some type of medical assistance or financial assistance for people that don’t have insurance. I would love to see some of the proposals that obama did not even consider to look at. We need to scrap this abomination that is being crafted while we sleep and shoved down our throats as if we aren’t free citizens. I will pray for you Darrell. Just because we are trying to repeal this mess of obamacare does not mean that there doesn’t need to be some action taken on this subject, because it does need to be addressed and to come up with a legitimate plan. Lookeehere The answers will never come from government, however. Except to the extent that government butts out of it. Lookeehere God bless you, Darrell. I will pray for you and your family. Peace to you! meathead The most important part of this video was President Regan’s speech at the end. He knew, as each and every one of us should, that this is a power play by the far left to drive this country to socialism. Make no mistake. The Chicago gangster and his cronies have set into motion the most dangerous program ever. Lies and deceit, smoke and mirrors. If the people of this country don’t wake up to what’s happening we will suffer the fate that President Regan stated at the end of his speech. Our kids and grandkids will never forgive us. If they even know what to forgive. snez Reagan was an idiot and started our awful economic decline. gregkliebigsr HELLO AMERICA, OK, LET’S LOOK AT SOMETHING TOGETHER, LET US REASON THIS MATTER OUT ! OK, BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE, MANY INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE DROPED MILLIONS OF AMERICAN POLICY HOLDERS! So, therefore millions of Americans have NO INSURANCE! Now, many of these people have pre-existing conditions and are concerned about their health and well being!! RIGHT! OK, SO, IF AND WHEN THE WEBSITES DO GET UP AND RUNNING, NOW HEAR ME GOOD): THOSE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ( who are without insurance) WILL BE SO SCARED BECAUSE OF THEIR HEALTH SITUATIONS, THEY WILL JUMP ON THE OBAMA , “GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE WAGON”!!! Ultimately being totally dependent on THE GOVERNMENT!! NOW, because the insurance companies have “DROPED” SO MANY POLICIES, THEY WILL BE FORCED TO GO BELLY-UP, CLOSE SHOP, FILE BANCKRUPTCY,(they have no money coming in) AND IN SO DOING MANY PEOPLE( employees of insurance companies) WILL LOOSE THEIR JOBS!! THOSE unscrupulous companies will take the money (you have paid in all these years) and run!! Laughing all the way to some remote beach! America, do you see this yet!? THOSE OF YOU, WHO DO NOT KNOW THE LORD JESUS , AS SAVIOR AND LORD HAVE NO PEACE IN THIS MESS! SO, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW JESUS AS SAVIOR AND LORD YOU CAN! JUST SAY,” JESUS I BELIEVE YOU DIED, WAS BURIED AND THAT YOU ROSE AGAIN! PLEASE FORGIVE ME OF ALL MY SIN AND COME LIVE IN ME AND THROUGH ME! AMEN!! Romans 10: 9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 13. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION, AND NOW IS THE TIME!! REPENT OF YOUR UNBELIEF TOWARDS GOD AMERICA, REPENT AND THEN INVITE JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE!! ONLY , IN THE LORD JESUS IS PEACE!!! THOSE OF YOU, WHO DO NOT KNOW THE LORD JESUS , AS SAVIOR AND LORD HAVE NO PEACE IN THIS MESS! SO, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW JESUS AS SAVIOR AND LORD YOU CAN! JUST SAY,” JESUS I BELIEVE YOU DIED, WAS BURIED AND THAT YOU ROSE AGAIN! PLEASE FORGIVE ME OF ALL MY SIN AND COME LIVE IN ME AND THROUGH ME! AMEN!! Romans 10: 9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 13. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION, AND NOW IS THE TIME!! REPENT OF YOUR UNBELIEF TOWARDS GOD AMERICA, REPENT AND THEN INVITE JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE!! ONLY , IN THE LORD JESUS IS PEACE!!! Liliana Rawks Please don’t yell. Nobody reads posts like that. Brian I don’t get it. jedifinance Nice video but why does it agree with Obama that an additional 30 million will be added to healthcare when even the Government accountants at CBO calculated and predicted that 30 million will NOT be insured under Obamacare. There is no reason to believe the number of uninsured will decrease, CBO repeatedly projects the uninsured rate will actually increase after 2017. See CBO data: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44190_EffectsAffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf Liliana Rawks The truth is that the 30 million will be added. But 20 million will NOT have insurance. These 20 million are mostly those that are currently insured. So Obamacare basically trades one group for another. Tomas58 You lost me when you spelled “Independent” in the first Howard Dean quote, “Indepdent”. Proof your stuff, people. Liliana Rawks Seriously? THAT is what you took away? Wow. I’m sorry for you, truly sorry. dizymeup There is no “care” in Obamacare….THATS the problem…..stupid people who can’t do math….it’s that simple. sneeze This is why we need universal healthcare. Mommamia1 If it was “universal” the politicians would live with the same law. Since they do not it must be referred to as steerage care. RachelinPA Universal healthcare is a myth. The first 7.5% of all income, before all other taxes, funds the NHS in England. In Italy, you have to purchase your ‘Tessera’ up front each year and still pay copays and bribes (YES, BRIBES) to be seen by a doctor. Hospitals cost money, hospital supplies and technology cost money, treatment costs money. That money must come from somewhere; when the money runs out in a Universal Healthcare system, there is NO care. sneeze And yet these people aren’t suffering as people from the American capitalist system have. Please do real research, rather than Fox News brainwash Mommamia1 Communism is the most diabolical way of life because it is antithetical to God’s glorious plan for man. sneeze I’m confused, they’re mad that congress is being the rich pig that it usually is. That’s not a conservative or liberal issue, they’ve been doing this since forever and I haven’t heard conservatives complaining. Then they complain about supply and demand of doctors. Again, it’s about lowering tuition costs, increasing funding in NASA, lowering the military budget, and raising the education budget, things conservatives mostly don’t want to do. And I started giggling because they still think socialism is evil apparently and socialized medicine is bad. Then the lying started on how we have had the best healthcare system in the world. Laughable. Noyb Nal I am confused, too. Congress controls the people’s money. The Democrats always want more of it (other’s people’s money). The free-market does much better on it’s own, as evidenced by the fact that hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars cannot even build a working website under the incompetent, careless, wasteful federal government. sneeze Also, healthcare spending is less than it’s been in years http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/20/health-care-spending-growth/3650243/ KweenJo What may tamper with the credibility of this piece appears at 6:00 into the video. The Howard Dean slide contains multiple spelling errors, which can lead readers to question the reliability of its producers. Spell check, people – or some may not take you seriously! bluepill Where are the links to the references? Is this not the original post? arclight6 I miss Ronald Reagan…… DCFreak Abolish the whole money system and lets all live free! Money is a tool of enslavement. minn ., granma if i cant afford health care how the heck am i going to afford the fine??? i guess jail here i come, and once again the tax payers will pay for some one else. where does it all end????and just for the record, if i wanted to live in a communist country, i sure wouldn’t be living here. anne i refuse to buy also Thommy Berlin Perhaps you don’t see how destroying the credibility of the Office of the President might be a bad thing? Our government is an expression OF our country. That office isn’t HIS. He is not a KING. The Office is OURS. We are that country. Destroying the credibility of that office IS destroying the country… Never mind that we don’t exist in a vacuum. There are other countries. Just because most Americans don’t know what’s going on in the rest of the world DOESN’T mean they don’t watch us. I should think a patriot would understand this. I’m ALL for civil disobedience. But this ISN’T civil disobedience. This is the politics of destruction. I realize you ‘patriots’ don’t get that, but then, destroying our national institutions is conservative policy… Phil Miyannuss This F UU C K I N G piece S H II T is DESTROYING OUR WAY OF LIFE!!! Isabella1709 Obama and his administration are just ONE, BIG LIE designed to legislate CONTROL over the people. Sammi De La Cruz Oh joy! Another video, thank you so much for leaving e and the other millions of deaf and hard of hearing people out of the loop. Or leaving us to find a hearing person who will take the time to tell us what was on the video. Thank you for being so dumb and thoughtless. WreckZ28 Oh you’re typing, well thought our response. Leaving the blind people unable to read what you wrote. Thanks a lot. You’re so thoughtless. Jucko Here’s a good immigration reform: Send them back, charge the cost of transportation to their home country and hold any aid to them as collateral. We cannot afford amnesty, it doesn’t work. Did it in the 80’s, and look where we are again. Mark Z’s infamous “FWD” website is a joke, it has baseless facts and questionable statistics at best. Obamacare, Illegal amnesty, Senate Filibustering that was once supported by Obama himself…get out. China will own us in about 25 years through no fault of their own, but because we have a nation full of idiots voting fools like Obama in office. Pete Bonkemeyer I’m disabled, but had sense enough to purchase disability insurance. In order to have decent health care and maybe get back to work some day, I was perfectly willing and able to purchase my own health insurance. But guess what. I can’t. Because I am eligible for Medicare I have to take it, a burden on the taxpayer which I apologize for. Not only that, but because I am not 65+, I can’t buy a supplement policy either. That’s just ridiculous. I’m sure there are others in the same boat. It sucks. Many of the treatments I need, like extended physical therapy are still out of pocket. My rx co-pays just went up $344/month, a significant percentage of net income. If I were on Medicaid, I could get transportation, home health care, home physical therapy, occupational therapy, a freaking housekeeper and all my premiums and co-pays taken care of, but no, I’m being punished for my prudence! I can’t afford any of those services out of pocket. Something is very wrong here… inquisitive we will not comply!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sue Where’s a Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him? Sue WOW! Ronald Reagan had such foresight! Deborah L And what about a person who has to use the major medical part and instead of maybe a $3000 deductible, they now have a $6000 deductible, who is going to be able to afford that. Mike Golden It is just this simple. Stupid people vote for stupid politicians that in turn pass stupid laws and then the stupid people complain because their losing their freedom when they were the cause in the first place. Princess Kittles The servant does not tell the master how to run his house. This is our country folks, for We are the People. They are being disobedient, not us. They do not have the right or authority to tell us what to do, we tell them what to do. Tell your congressmen and women what you plan to do to their job if they do not do it correctly. Do not sign up for this, do not pay them anything. Ann CuppyCake Corrado Deliberate Lies from a Man Who Obviously Has an Agenda and Hates America. WE need to get rid of Him ASAP!!! 1baronrichsnot1 What an abortion of a bill, it’s plain to the most casual observer, A ripoff! Susan If you go without health insurance to avoid the penalty just make sure you don’t get a tax refund. That is the only way they can collect money and the law does was not written for them to be able to come after you like they would if you owed taxes. BAraCKWARD How do you “expand the video details” to get at the supporting links? http://www.weightthatsnottheissue.com/content/2/en/About-Dawn Dawn M Adams One way you can tell propaganda from truth is to look for the truth all the way through. There is truth here, and a lot of propaganda and fear -based dramatics like the music and the speed of the graphics. There is partial truth here but it also appears that physicians are the only significant voice or provider of health care. There is missing information, lots of missing information. But it is true the ACA is far from perfect, just like Medicare was…which it why the transcript recognizably read by Ronald Reagan, but not sited, does not tell the rest of the story. And as we know overall Medicare is widely embraced and did not “socialize” medicine. This voice over-is essentially a spiced version of Ronald Regan’s (then the actor) 1961 speech on medicare. See for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bejdhs3jGywIf you take the information for what is is partial truth and propaganda, it begs the question why? Why do you need dramatics, partial truth, and splicing to make your point. The bill needs to be better. But inertia is sometimes worse. Reading more about both sides of the program would better serve our country. As a medical professional I care about this issue, I care a lot. But the vehemence isn’t solving anything. And neither is fear-based propaganda. Thwarp This is more than worth the time to watch. Its the truth and it needs to go viral. Its very well researched and indisputable ! The facts alone speak for themselves. PLEASE SHARE (especially with your liberal friends) An Actual American! There is NOTHING about these new plans that make them affordable. At best they are catastrophic coverage after you reach $20,000 or more in annual deductibles. We have been lied to from day one. There is no amount of “re-messaging” this administration will ever do to succeed in bailing enough water out of this sinking ship to make it float again. If you are a congressman or woman who voted for anything related to keeping this bill on the books, be looking for an alternative career, because by 2016 the wrath of the American people will ensure there is no way you will get re-elected and given another opportunity to extend this folly. I agree and join with those in these posts who refuse to buy a plan under this Ponzi scheme or pay the fine. Obamacare and its pack of supporters must be stopped from this maniacal destruction. Refusal to participate is our strongest message. Part-Time Work = Full-Time Poverty! Travis Moore Citing supply and demand is ridiculous. Insurance isn’t a tangible good, and therefore doesn’t directly follow the law of supply and demand. It is actually quite the opposite. The amount of money insurance companies collect (supply) is going up A LOT, whereas the insurance claims are NOT going up so much because a vast number of new people that that sign up for insurance will be healthy (demand). Supply will be going up a LOT, and demand NOT going up, and this WILL most certainly result in lower premiums. An Actual American! Not buying it Travis…….Doctors are the missing piece of your argument. Because Medical services are delivered by professionals, they are limited by the number of qualified people and the hours they can work. As such they become tangibles. 30 million more people demanding healthcare won’t hurt the insurance companies (who never lose), but will limit the amount of time your doctor can serve you and your family. Premiums will go—and stay– higher because ALL pre-existing conditions must be covered, and in the short term will increase the insurance companies’ risk. Just because you can afford and pay your premium won’t put you at the head of the line. THEN you’ll have the government deciding just how much care you can have so that everyone will be equally served. Then you’ll see just how ridiculous supply and demand really is!! Travis Moore Those 30 million people were going to be going to the doctors one way or the other. Obamacare just gave them the opportunity to have that doctor visit covered. There are probably plenty of legitimate reasons to be frustrated with Obamacare… supply and demand is not one of them. And… no, premiums will not go and stay higher due to pre-existing conditions. The 30 million people seeking insurance are doing so because they are required by law to seek that insurance, not because they have a pre-existing condition. Again, there are legitimate reasons to dislike obamacare… the ones cited in this video are not legitimate. erospawn They won’t sign up anyway.. The Obamacare costs are way too high..and the penalty for next year and a few years out is way too low. Furthermore, a lot of young people are out of work to begin with..So who exactly is paying into this Obamacare system? Bob West Everyone should pay their own dam bills i am tired of the government taking my money that i work hard for and giving it to lazy asses that won’t work defund nobamacare and make all people on welfare submit to a drug test PERIOD Cazzie Exellent!!! NotRepubOrDem Thank you for taking on the time, effort, and research for this video. Imminent Where did you get your sources for creating the video? Could you compile a list and post them? It would help give the video a lot more weight. But as it is, with all the odd adverts underneath, it risks being seen as a fanatical, conspiracy theorist video. Sean Fornelli Effect affect Mickey O’Brien Yeah. As well as it was done you would think SOMEbody would have spotted that during the editing process. Tarnishes a great effort. Chris How do you see the references? The video starts by saying I can match the numbers to the links below, but there are no links. Anybody? Lula After I aged out of my parents’ coverage plan many years ago, I paid $170/mo for basic insurance and almost never used it. the problem is people going to a doctor with the sniffles. If it’s really that bad, you can go to a Minute Clinic for $80 out-of-pocket and quit your whining. You aren’t bleeding from the head or spontaneously combusting, so you don’t need a hospital. Stand-alone medical practices/facilities are for serious problems. Fast forward to the first mention of Obamacare. Economy tanked at that point, so now I had no job, or one that made more than $9/h, but still needed coverage for regular things… Same basic thing I had before, but now it’s $330/mo. I went without insurance until I got my current job and I paid for everything routine and maintenance out-of-pocket and it was CHEAPER than having insurance at that point. I hoped if I ever needed anything major that it was discovered or happened during a car accident (because i have awesome car insurance) which would pay for medical treatment for serious injuries. Yes, doc, my spleen was like that from the accident… Doctors themselves are a racket. So you know you need an X-ray, even with your insurance it’s still expensive, but you can’t just walk into the radiology dept and say, “I need an X-ray.” You go to the primary care doc, who charges you to do nothing but send you to radiology. -_- thanks, I could’ve walked there by myself. The radiologist reviews the films and gives your diagnosis (there’s another $60), but the primary care doc tells it to you. Thanks, I can read an X-ray and see a fracture. It would be great if they’d just take the stupid picture to make sure and then cast it. That’s it. The point is if all you need is an occasional antibiotic, some birth control, and the occasional X-ray, you can pay out-of-pocket and have it be cheaper than most insurance. Or you could get a cheap plan, but now there’s no such thing as a cheap plan for basic things. StupidPeasant Why do our leaders look like such idiots when asked: “What is your solution?” I suspect our republican leaders are too beholden to corruptors to do what is truly right. Just get a quick, f-ing clear list together and make sure all our people know it; something that would be obviously clear to the public if it were spoken and would win elections. Say something such as this: 1) In this age of technology, there is no reason for insurance to go through the employer. It should be owned by the individual. If a company wants to give money to help with the purchase, then so be it; BUT is should be owned by the individual or there is no liberty. 2) Health savings accounts should be tax free & inheritable. 3) Insurance should be across any state lines. Now. 4) Basic catastrophic insurance should be purchased for the preexisting conditions people, the poor and the stupid to protect the hospitals and doctors by a pool from the insurance companies. 5) Hospitals and doctors must clearly post their prices and charge the same to all. If our answer cannot be stated quickly, clearly and without generalities from our great lawyer leaders, then corruption is the cause, and freedom and free markets are just buzz words. They might as well be demon-rats. Mike Souders unable to download it….it says “Video cannot be downloaded”…suggestions??? I want to burn this to discs and hand them out to everyone! RichardLW Don’t download it. erospawn Do a search for streaming media download programs.. There are some programs that will download the stream and convert it for you. As for Richard..he’s a die hard Communist who apparently doesn’t know his history or understand the truth. RichardLW Communist? Haha, communism is long dead. No, and I have this ability to transend the Left Right deadlock and come to my own conclusions based on FACTS! RichardLW Single payer is best! US is ranked 36th in the world when it comes to quality of healthcare according to the world health organisation, with it also costing the most as a % of GDP by a whopping 5% to second place Netherlands. It costs on average 8200$ per person per year, whereas second place Norway is 5388. So your healthcare is damned expensive and not that good. So can someone give me a reason not to go to single payer? Apparently it will save the US 350bil per year according to Physicians for a National Health Program. Hmmm, just food for thought. erospawn What if I DON’T WANT YOUR SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM? RichardLW So you would rather go down the path of exorbitantly expensive but average healthcare? $350 billion dollars every year, that’s over half your military budget. “I DON’T WANT YOUR…” In my mind does not qualify as a rational answer. Itachi I lost my insurance, I had a $250 delectable now I have to either pick a 1500 or a 2500 … yeah that’s real affordable…Welcome to Obama’s “HOPE & CHANGE” roooth Honestly, you conservatives are such abysmal failures. Every other first and second world country has managed to do health care without their conservatives getting their panties in a wad – and NONE of those countries have imploded. But you losers have so little faith in your country that you do not believe we can do what even Costa Rica has managed to do. What a pity. I think more of my country. I have faith that we can handle what Germany, Sweden, the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and other countries have done. Considering that you conservatives have never once offered a better idea, and you do not have faith that your country can do what even France has managed to do, then how about you just get out of the way and let the grown-ups take care of business. You guys are nothing but an obstruction, a bump in the road. You may keep Red state citizens without any health care for awhile, but you’ve already lost this battle. AsleepNoMore Way to spout the same propaganda that Obama’s bought media spouts. However, countries with socialized medicine have less access and less quality medical care. When my sister went to work in a London hospital, the first words out of her mouth were, “I can’t believe how antiquated their equipment is,” (compared to US hospitals). In England many doctors are now coming forward to make people aware that the elderly are being forced onto the Liverpool Pathway (euthanasia via the denial of care) when they could have been treated and cured. Even though Obama’s bought media won’t report on it, there have been other suggestions made. Allowing competition among insurers across state lines because competition is always what drives quality, innovation and price reductions. Government control, however, always increases costs via mismanagement and fraud. We should be able to negotiate bulk drug price savings, but we now have a law AGAINST that. We should be able to buy prescription medications from other nations where the same medicines cost far less, but the pharmaceutical companies that are in bed with the government have gotten legislation to prevent that. Grown-ups? You think liberals are grown-ups??? They’re liars. I feel sorry for those buying the lies. Wait until this disaster is fully implemented over the next several years. The outcry about the web site, cancellations, higher premiums and higher deductibles will seem like NOTHING. Next year you will see all the private insurance from employers get cancelled. Good luck! LuscombeFlyer Regardless of how you feel about the relative success or failure of other nations’ healthcare systems, nothing changes the fact that the PPACA was passed by deception, propaganda, outright in-your-face lies, and very questionable parliamentary procedures. And thus far, the negative consequences have GREATLY exceeded Democrats rosy outlook while the positive affects have been DRAMATICALLY less than the Democrats predicted. erospawn Good job so far roooth. Fact: Obama and his administration lied through their eye teeth. I can not believe that after all that has happened you are still buying into this BS. I don’t know, maybe you haven’t seen your insurance rates go through the roof yet.. I certainly know you don’t pay ANY attention to politics. And as for the so called Obstructionists as you call them…When I was a flaming liberal I saw them the same way…Now that I am NOT a flaming liberal anymore, I see them as the only thing standing in the way of the evils that this president represents. No matter how good the intentions you think he has, the road to hell was paved with the best of intentions. Maybe you have not experienced the reality of it yet.. but, I have..my family has.. and many of my friends have.. And for most it’s been a nightmare. My company was on a hiring kick…But that has come to a screeching halt because of this. Unlike you, a lot of people are waking up to the truth.. and I strongly advise you to wake up too. This is my experience. What’s yours? notbent Conservatives HAVE offered better alternatives time and time again; the liberals ignore and deny because they want Obamacare – which is all about government CONTROL. And the Conservatives’ plan is called the ‘free market’. Tort reform, let insurance companies offer plans across state lines are just a couple examples. Let there be a variety of plans and individuals choose which best suits their needs. Competition among insurance companies is bound to benefit the consumer. The U.S. had the GREATEST healthcare in the world and Obamacare is flushing it down the toilet. How great was our health care? So wonderful that upper class people in all the countries with nationalized healthcare, like Canada, flock to U.S. for treatment which they can’t get at home! Tia I do believe we have some paid cyber warriors or shrills on here. Ann Pack I will not comply!! Ann Shideler 30% increase in Arizona?!?!? My ACA insurance in AZ will cost about 25% less than COBRA and my cancer is not a pre-existing condition. Fear is your message and that message is wrong. Ann Shideler Fear is the message here and it has worked well for the very rich in the past. erospawn Fear is the message here? Really? Are you still dumb enough to support this crap? My premiums doubled.. I found out my company can no longer to afford to offer me the great benefits it once could because Obama considers it a “Cadillac plan”. As a result, I will paying more in premiums for less insurance. A friend of mine just watched his insurance go from 250 a month to 700 a month. My mothers doctor told her she hasn’t been paid by Medicare in over 6 months.. She’s considering not taking medicare patients now… My mother asked “What does that mean for me?”..Her response was, “Don’t get sick”. So you tell me, fear is the message here? Obama is a liar plain and simple. People usually go on praising a failure until hits their wallets. RichardLW Me thinks you are lying or don’t know how to price up the different plans! Leif Damstoft Most doctors are independent and have private practices and do not want their for profit business messed with. The costs are off set by the savings and other taxes like the medical device tax. A hip replacement costs around $30,000 yet the actual part is only around $400-$500. The costs are less through the exchange I have check, I can get the same pan I get with my company and together we pay over $1200 a month yet on the exchange I can get it for $642 a month. My company pays $915 to my 305. They can pay less and me pay nothing but they won;t do it. The individual mandate is not enforceable. Page 131 it says the IRS cannot put liens or levies on anything a person owns to collect the penalty. It can only come from a tax return. SO set your taxes u that you break even and you will never have to pay the penalty. We are having lower rates over all and this is a fact proven by the CBO. Insurance goes up and has gone up every year regardless of the ACA the difference is going slower since the aca. All of the supply and demand dynamic leading to rationed care is just bullshit. Does not happen in fact it lowers cost because there are more people to spread the cost of care in the system. Rationed care is a myth and a scare tactic. No other country with actually social health care has that problem. The truth is insurance companies already rations the care based on their profit motive. The shortage of doctors is because of the problems of a for profit system. Doctors in the United States get into medicine more for the financial reason than the real reason which is to help people. They care more about their financial portfolio than their patients. That problem does not exist in government run single payer government run system. Doctors are paid very well and are very happy in their system. Doctors here are not that open because they do not understand. As for Reagan he was also against social security and medicare and said they would be the ruin of our country yet they are what redeem us from the screwy system we have. Tommy so…given what the creator has appeared on/contributed to….he’s not biased at all! what a joke. btw the links you promised never showed up on screen. looks like this is just full of liars. JG PALOMINO I HAD POSTED A PREVIOUS VERSION OF WHAT I´M GOING TO SAY: I was just a victim of socialized practice of medicine in my country mexico & It´s the same everywhere!, ENGLAND, DENMARK, CUBA, VENEZUELA, etc, etc. LONG WAITING HOURS, practice of eutanasic discrimination on treatments, you need to be programmed to your elective surgery procedure one or two years ahead, it does not matter if you were discovered cancer in early stages, when you´ve got the opportunity to see the oncologyst surgical or medical oncologyst your cancer is in stadium IV (Invaded). UNION BOSSES & THUGGS AND MAFIAS DECIDE YOUR JOB HIRING and have VETO to not let you work in the entire country if they say so!….bureaucrots command medical directors and CEO´s FROM EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC SMALL OR LARGE MEDICAL CENTERS!….poor poor American PEOPLE! they simply do NOT KNOW WHAT IS WAITING TO THEM!!!! Scott_D Sounds like you need better mental healthcare coverage. terrilynnmerritts Who said anything about free healthcare? Under the Affordable Care Act, those insured through work, Medicare, and Medicaid keep their current insurance (if it is up to standards). Those who are uninsured buy policies on the exchanges from the same private for-profit insurance companies we all know like Blue Cross, Humana, Aetna, etc and those who need help affording it can get tax subsidies. My family just got it today from one of those companies and with the subsidies, we will pay only $2.36 a month (less than $30 a year) for a silver plan. We will have no deductible and no cost for birth control pills and preventative visits to the doctor and will have co-pays for everything else. So who said anything about free health care? Incidentally I have had health care in countries with socialized medicine and got treatment immediately including surgery. Cancer surgery and treatment are not considered “elective surgery” in any country. Elective surgery is things like cosmetic surgery and non-life-threatening surgery and I have never heard one friend from Europe, Japan,. Australia, or Canada having to wait more than 6 months for elective surgery. Storm Webb i will not buy obama care. i am on nuclear meds. and due to obama care i lost my health care coverage, and not sure how to pay for meds .but i will go without first. and in a way i think thats what he wants because if those who need life saving meds dont have them they can die. and i believe thats his way of getting rid of those who are terminally ill. why else would a president mandate such a law and a health care where the terminally ill or the serriously ill loose their present coverage and try to force them to take a health care that will not cover their needs and even if it does it is so expensive that they cant afford it. i will hand it to God and let him take care of me.and i refuse to take his health care. i pray he is impeached before this starts killing terminally ill children because if they cut my insurance off due to obama care they will or have cut that of the childrens too. god bless us all. terrilynnmerritts You lost your health care policy because it was substandard. You can go to http://www.healthcare.gov and sign up for a better policy that will pay for your health care and medicines at a lower rate. The policy will cover more than the one you lost and will be cheaper. Hey, my husband and I signed up for a policy just today with the top insurer in America and we will pay $2.36 a month- less than $30 a year- for our whole family using the tax credit subsidy offered. You mean you can’t afford two dollars and thirty six cents for a policy BETTER than the one you had and would prefer to die than get that? People who depend on “god” die when sick and uninsured. Stanimal032 I’ve been saying this from Day 1. The math doesn’t add up. There’s no way this can be implemented with a decrease in premiums when you have more people signing up and more payouts from the insurance companies. Doctors are going to retire. Young adults aren’t going to pursue healthcare jobs because it’s not cost-feasible anymore. The doctor shortage will be even worse. I have been met with exactly what was said at the end. People have said that I don’t care about sick people. That they can’t believe I don’t support it. That I’m heartless and want kids to die because they have no insurance. I lost my insurance plan. My great insurance plan that I pay for PRIVATELY out of my own pocket, every month, with cash because it wasn’t up to this law’s standards. terrilynnmerritts Why would it not be cost feasible for people to pursue health care jobs and why would doctors retire when even more people will come to them insured and they know they will get paid. There is a decrease in premiums when the risk is spread over all instead of a few. As for your private insurance policy, that didn’t meet standards, you can get a great policy that will take care of you with more and better benefits on the exchange. My husband and I got a terrific policy from the top insurance company in America for only $2.36 a month thanks to our tax subsidy. You can too! Stanimal032 People do have an increase in coverage, yes, but these often come at high deductibles. 6K deductibles are commonplace now. You know what that means? You pay 6K OUT OF POCKET before your insurance pays the doctor anything in most cases. That means that you pay 100% of your bill to the doctor until you hit 6K in charges. How many people can afford this? Not many. So what you see is providers not getting paid from insurance companies, and people can’t afford to pay their bill. So what happens? The office can either keep billing the person, which the person can’t pay, so what good does that do? Or they can take a loss which is what happens most times. As a private practice owner, I don’t get health insurance through my job. I pay for a private health policy out of my own pocket. For me to keep the policy that I had, my insurance premium would double. $300/month JUST FOR MYSELF. Since we “make so much money” according to the government, we don’t apply for any subsidies. I don’t use my health insurance…at all…I’ve paid a premium for 5 years and have never used it. So…to answer your question. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans, decreasing reimbursement, higher deductibles, and increase in people who can’t pay cash for their services = not a good time to be in healthcare. Scott_D Most people wanted Obamacare to go even further. I don’t see what’s so wrong with implementing universal healthcare, which is practiced by like every country with top life expectancy and overall well being. Guest What a crock. Americans get your hands in your pockets and help those who cant help themselves. here in Britain it is free at the point of need. it costs me many hundreds of pounds a year in taxes. I would have it no other way. ITS CALLED COMPASSION!!! WarriorPitbull Wrong! Charity is true compassion, mandating that people pay for others is tyranny. I can barely afford to make it to work and back, now they want thousands more a year for this fake healthcare law that I don’t have. Where’s the ‘compassion’ in that? You don’t get it because you have no idea what’s in the law, we do. It has almost nothing to do with healthcare and mostly to do with consolidating power to the federal government. We’re here because we don’t want to live in your socialist Europic dysfunction. Compassion is from the heart, not a law. You cannot legislate compassion, especially in a free republic. terrilynnmerritts They don’t want thousands more from you. Do you have insurance? Then you keep it. You are already in compliance. They aren’t asking for a penny from you. People like my family have now purchased insurance on the exchange for $2.36 with the tax subsidy we got. You might qualify for one too. We had preexisting conditions and couldn’t get insurance. There is nothing fake about it. My family and millions more are now insured with a top insurance company. Steven Tobias Why are people wasting time with Ann? She’s a troll and all of her facts come from Dem PACS and libtard ORGS. She is here to instigate because she got bored with sitting in a park and protesting evil corp America. Sarrah Goldblume It is very simple. Treason and High Crimes are being committed against the American people by the government daily. Only you can stop them. The Tree of Liberty calls. terrilynnmerritts Treason? The Affordable Care Act was passed by the Senate and House of Representatives with both Democratic and Republican support, signed into law by the president, and confirmed by the US Supreme Court- all in accordance with the US Constitution. If you think having access to insurance is evil, why don’t you give up your Medicare? Sarrah Goldblume The government has NO authority whatsoever to be involved in healthcare or education yet they are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=952oK_jGfYo#t=25 sputnik1 Wrong! Not one Republican voted for this and you are a blatant liar!! Stop posting lies!! Adam Can someone post the sources that the video was using? For some reason I am not able to find the video details and the numbers hide under the pause button and cannot be clicked on. MPH82 How can I find the sources? I shared this on FB because I thought it was spot on, but people are asking for sources… Please help! Robert Todd Levin there aren’t any sources. it was pulled entirely out of the authors ass. sorry to have to be the one to break this to you. rusureuwant2know Maybe they should have asked the patients what needed to be fixed. EconGuy So… what’s the alternative, conservatives? The healthcare insurance market was not operating efficiently before this, free riders in the emergency room were driving up costs, premiums were increasing annually, and millions of americans were S.O.L. “uninsurable”. Cost competitiveness between firms was not characteristic of the market because sick individuals often don’t have the time or access to information necessary to make the best possible decisions. So, what’s the alternative? Obamacare could go down today and our healthcare insurance system will still be characterized buy the underconsumption of goods due to positive consumption externalities, free riding from unpaid ER visits being covered in hospital-insurer negotiations, and underutilization of preventative care. Justin Koos Man there is a lot of hate on this page. Where’s the love ya’ll? We have a bipartisan government for a reason. The two sides are supposed to work together to come up with the best solution. Now of course Obamacare is not the best solution but the important thing is that it’s a “solution” that passed. We needed a starting place with this health act. What will happen is the law will slowly go into effect and won’t even be in full effect until 2022. As problems arise(and they will) the law will be amended to fix said issues. Over time the law will become more refined and more effective at it’s intended purpose, to allow affordable health care for everybody. People need to stop calling Obama evil. Just because a person has an opposite approach to a problem than you do does not make them evil. Both opinions need to be respected, neither party is evil. That is unless you are part of team rocket, then you’re kinda evil. Mo86 Lying to Americans that they could keep their health insurance = EVIL Lying about the lie = EVIL Illegally forcing Americans to buy insurance = EVIL Fining them if they choose not to bow to this bullying = EVIL Should I go on? *** Instead of whining about people speaking the truth about this man and his policies, why not instead actually ADDRESS his policies? terrilynnmerritts People were told they could keep their insurance if it met the minimum standards. Only policies that don’t are being eradicated. Who wants a substandard policy when they have have a good one? No one is illegally forced to buy insurance says the Supreme Court who ruled it constitutional. Most already have insurance from work, or Medicare, or Medicaid. Only the uninsured are affected and now we can buy policies without being kept out by price or pre-existing conditions. We got ours as a family for $2.36 a month for parents and kids using the tax credit offered on the exchange. What is evil about insuring a working family? Mo86 “People were told they could keep their insurance if it met the minimum standards.” FALSE! Barry said you could keep your insurance if you liked it – PERIOD! Why are you repeating Barry’s lies for him? Why? bwillett Ann Shideler. Obama IS a 1 per center. Look at what his net worth has done since he became _resident. You are the fool. bat I don’t see anyone voting out the legislatures that were chosen to represent us because they voted this bill into act. Remember you choose these people to represent you this is why we vote. terrilynnmerritts After it was passed, Obama was re-elected and when conservatives tried to shut down the government to defund it, Democrats started winning in places that were surprising like Virginia which now has all Democratic representatives in Congress and a new Democratic governor. The people are speaking. This insurance will sve lives. terrilynnmerritts I love Obamacare. My husband and I work but could not afford health insurance and as we are middle aged and have a number of pre-existing conditions, we needed it but were refused and could not afford it anyway. Thanks to the new health care marketplace/exchange, we bought a policy from the top insurance company in the USA for only $2.36 a month for our family thanks to the tax credits offered. Why the hate-mongering because people like us can now be insured and have our kids insured? You have your insurance so you are heartless towards others who would like to buy it too. Funny how you never met an expensive war you didn’t love but oppose health care for all. Sierra Struble I think the most obvious point you are missing is that you get that rate because of aTAX subsidy. Where does that money come from? Other taxpayers. My family could barely afford our insurance already. I also have a pre-existing condition, but I will make enough money starting out when I get done with college that I won’t qualify for those tax subsidies, meaning my rates will be ridiculously high. I will also be paying off student loans. A law that is created to help the lowest 15% while harming the middle 50% is not a very good law. Ben Franklin Wow, this is what one of our “best” colleges produces. Sad. To attempt to get the point across, the creator of this epic waste of time has to stoop to “reality” show tactics – the big in our face graphics, the carefully choreographed musical accompaniment that builds and builds in intensity as each new “reveal” is dragged out of his twisted view of the actual facts – I smirked as I watched this and regretted the waste of my time. But I guess, since the “conservative” americans he is trying to reach live for this kind of crap and wouldn’t bother reading his propaganda if it was just written out longhand without the showmanship this is the kind of stuff we have to be bombarded with. I love that this country has no pride in intellectualism anymore and all these so-called conservatives just swallow what their leaders (i.e. big business) and Fox (not) News shove down their throats. Wake up people! Follow the money trail! Dirty all the way to the top and so hypocritical it is beyond ridiculous. Just wait until they bankrupt america again and try to pass it off on Obama or whoever the next poor scapegoat is. Amanda Johnson We should all be yelling at our congressmen and Senators. Who passes a bill WITHOUT EVEN READING IT?!!! The whole system is flawed! I will NOT participate in Obamacare and I will not support a President who willingly let 4 of our citizens and Soldiers who were murdered and not given the help they needed. This President then tries multiple times (poorly i might add) to cover it up! It makes me sick that our veterans are out there giving their lives and our govt isn’t trying at all to help them. My bestfriend is in the Army doing a second tour in Afghanistan, I have a loved one in every branch of the military and come from a Navy family, and I have heard so many times from them and their superiors that the government is keeping them from doing their job. So don’t sit there and tell me this man is gods gift to America. Every single law, bill, and promise Obama has uttered out of his mouth has been a lie. He has literally accomplished NOTHING in 8 years. Bush may not have been the best but he was way better than this joke of a President. He actually defends our constitution, not dismantle it! And by the way if Obama was White (since all you liberals LOVE to play the race card) he would have been impeached within his 1st term. Ann Shideler Mike, You ignorant SLUT!! Christina Cole It’s a sad day when you get called racist every time you make a valid point..every time someone spoke truth on the treasonous way obama has held the presidential seat, Ann called them racist.. and yes a a Harvard graduate May know science , math and other General education , but it seems this one didn’t take the common sense class, the what is right or wrong class, and apparently the class on the constitution. Obama has ran this country into the ground, while “children go hungry” the tax payers are covering his tremendous vacation , golfing, birthday party bills. I dint like him or Michelle using American tax money like a personal credit card. I dint like the way he sacrificed our soldiers like animals on an alter. While ” children go hungry” millions of dollars and weapons go to other countries..I don’t like sitting on my couch right now sick , with no medicine because the new law is that people who don’t know me, know my doctor, have to review my treatment because they feel my “medical school graduate doctor &I cannot adequately supervise and treat my health. But you can call me racist Seems legit. My husband and I are racist.. From a Puerto Rican woman with a Black husband with amazingly beautiful mixed babies =) Robert Todd Levin well republicans cut food stamps from it’s traditional spot on the farm bill. so you can blame them for children going hungry. and the review of your medical treatment you bring up is a crock of shit. what your insurance company is doing now is the same thing they have always been doing. next time you want to tug on heartstrings try not lying. Dom Portwood This video is a massive pile of crap, but I would expect nothing less from right wing nut jobs. smitty195 Specifically, which parts are piles of crap? What was said that is wrong? Be specific. cointelanalyst please provide any and all evidence that the information portrayed in this video is false? it is backed up with FACTS but you failed to click on the sources, im sure. Deborah Underwood Sure hope all you people are lucky enough to have ins with no lifetime caps and that you don’t have pre existing conditions! You lost your ins why not try and see what better and less expensive coverage you can actually get! No listen to the flippin lies instead or don’t buy for civil disobiedence makes perfect sense!!!! Not!!!! Hope you enjoy the penalties just as much oh yeah and if you need ins you can get subsidies of course they go away if you don’t sign up by the end of the mo. I saved $1200. Yep and I got superb coverage much better than what I had before at $1800. A mo! But you guys go ahead and keep being the haters of progress that you are and the dems will run over your sorry asses and make the country move forward no matter how hard you try to stop it! cointelanalyst lol. idiot. please provide any and all evidence that the information portrayed in this video is false? it is backed up with FACTS but you failed to click on the sources, im sure. Barbie Don’t think they could have found a Better Liar anywhere on this earth than Obama.. he has pulled a real ponzi on us.. the _____________________ youareallidiots Thanks Obama my insurance is cheaper now and covers more, also I am helping poor people who could not afford it before get it! This video like all videos, from both sides, is total bullshit and does the typical cherry picking stuff that people who have a “hard” stance do. It is like their hatred for the other side blinds both sides, anyone who is 100% left or right is a complete fucking moron and it is hilarious to watch them fight back and forth with both of them spitting out bullshit to try to somehow validate their stance. lol. Brandon Let me tell you why this video sucks. No Liberal is going to watch it for more than 60 seconds. Why make a video telling conservatives what they already know? Make a video that informs the Liberals. Get them pissed, and the whole country will be unified. VioletLoganGirl Excellent summary. The left is a frightening gang of thugs.